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On 4/29/2023 at 10:32 AM, Simon Suraci said:

How frequently do masseurs initiate/offer you freebies? 

Depends how you define it … if you agree on a time and they say let’s keep going when that time is up  … and you either say you don’t want to book more or they volunteer “you don’t have to pay …” is that considered a freebie? That happens often - for me maybe 1/3 times. I think the expectation is you pay in tip (which is where it can get sneaky as the provider is relying on goodwill after unilaterally extending) or get converted to a repeat.

I’ve often turned down the offer for extra time … as I had another appointment or … I wasn’t actually that interested! 
 
 

Masseurs offering erotic or sensual who take offense if you indicate you want something more …

lroviers in general taking (or should I say faking) offense at anything

fine if an individual provider doesn’t offer a service (that’s not the part that annoys me) and a client should figure that out before confirming an appointment, but in this industry I find it so disingenuous to act like there is moral outrage at the idea of something that isn’t atypical with other providers or in regular male-male interaction.

What does “off the clock” even mean in this business? 

I once got some helpful feedback from a provider about something (the way I was doing something) m … I could tell he was waiting to tell me something or holding something back for a while. He was very nice about it and it felt bad at the time but then it clicked … it explained some reactions I’d had from partners before. Made a big difference to my future encounters.  I often thought of going back and booking a session for the sole purpose of thanking him but then I thought he’s not even going to remember me … lol 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

First of all: I wouldn’t be hitting anyone up on Grindr asking to pay me. That’s not even my style. I was posting a profile of someone

If that’s the case it suggests you go on for unpaid interaction … so what’s the complaint?  

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I can’t continue arguing and explaining how hookup apps affect the industry indirectly, but I do understand the potential effects it has on

Everything affects business … even the weather. But then it would affect everyone equally surely. 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

.So, in those cases, it’s not out of the question to just post up and BE AVAILABLE to the POSSIBILITY of meeting a POTENTIAL client from that Avenue. I’ve done it before, many times. And I don’t hit them up, I wait for them to hit me up. 

 

 

You just said it wasn’t your style … despite what you say here about you not initiating it.

No one is going to go on Grindr, see your profile and think “omg he’s going to be the best experience ever, even though this is designed for unpaid interaction I’m going to offer him $ out of the blue as he’s so amazing etc. “

So you are at some point bringing up the topic of payment, likely as a bait and switch.

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m not saying it’s dooms day, but I am saying: it has an EFFECT to a DEGREE on the level of business. I should be very busy with lots of calls in Kansas City. Heck, I went out to the store yesterday and got 2 compliments on my beard, and it wasn’t from gay men. I know it’s not necessarily something “wrong” with me, but instead: a bigger force that I can’t always compete against. Not to mention, the already increasing “competition” on the rent websites. 
 

It’s only so many times I can sit and blame myself, and take other people’s advice: before realizing and understanding sometimes the issue is bigger than me. I can go on Grindr and get dozens of hookup offers, and they’ll wait to book me in advance: long as it’s free. I can find them in big cities and small towns. My “complaints” (as some people like to lower them to) on the forum are not about a lack of sex. It’s the system. 
 

 

Your logic doesn’t make sense to me. 

If I’m seeking a masseur or professional I’m looking for a specific experience. I know I can’t typically get that on Grindr. I’m not looking to pay $300 just because I didn’t score when I was horny and spent 2 hours trying to find someone online. I’m sure that happens … but if that’s your competition guess what you have to work on changing the mindset of the person on the hookup ap to wanting the different experience otherwise guess what, while he’s talking you, figuring out you tricked him and now want money, he’ll find another hookup and go silent or he’ll just be annoyed and go silent and you’ll come on here and complain about its full of time wasters.

What’s the point about people complimenting your looks? So every handsome guy should just be able to make money based on that? So if you hit me up on Grindr or vice versa I need to pay you? 

And if there’s more competition on the sites designed for your business that’s a complaint too? Why not figure out how to compete?

And when you say you get dozens of hookup offers on Grindr (nothing unique - most of us can, may not want them all but it happens) and they’ll book you as long as it’s free … dude do you understand they’re not booking you!!! 

I don’t think anyone reading your posts thinks you’re complaining about lack of sex.  I believe they think what I do: you’re complaining about not making enough money and not being able to figure out how to do it from the way you operate and not being flexible or open minded enough to think about other ways to do it. 
 

On 4/30/2023 at 2:28 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

I don’t know how many times the average gay man hooks up online from something like Grindr. I know guys who claim they do so every night of the week and multiple times on weekends. So maybe I’m a fraction of that. But I’ll tell you if I paid each time I hooked up on one of those apps I’d be bankrupt. So your point doesn’t make sense to me. 

11 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

fwiw- i know enough working guys to where I'm sure much or most of the time this is from a dislike of Indian and South Asian clients. I don't like it at all but it is what it is. Discrimination against them in the gay community is a hidden problem. 

Do you mean you think they’re asking for photos because they’re trying to make sure you’re not Indian?

Surely that’s a small percentage of potential clients so not worth annoying people just for that group of people? 
 

On 4/30/2023 at 1:34 AM, Coolwave35 said:

When allllll the photos are model shots. 
 

when the most recently uploaded pic is 3 years old. 
 

when a provider gives enough details for me to ID one of their clients. 

Yeah love the guys who say in their profile “all my pictures are within the last 3 months” but they’ve had the same pics up for 2 years! 

A lot of people mentioned no reviews or not many 5 star reviews 

my twist on that would be if you look through the reviews and it’s pretty damn obvious that half of them are written by the same person, the same writing style, the same narrative etc.

and inconsistencies … some are stupid enough to have contradictions in their profile and stats .., so they’re “bottom only” in one place but “love topping” somewhere else … or 28 in the stats but 32 in the text … I can forgive fiddling with stats to make the cut for whether a client calls or not (eg 29 yo as you’re worried 30 rules you out for people) … but not the sloppiness of the different details on the same page 

On 4/30/2023 at 6:42 PM, dbar123 said:

 

4) Anyone with a latex allergy

“I’m ok with condoms in theory … I just don’t have any …”

Like you have every toy and substance imaginable here but you don’t have one of those even though a client may walk out as a result? Lol.

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

Even if I’m not advertising on the platform or doing the same that those other guys might be doing: why bring it up? If someone can’t post about getting “paid”, then they shouldn’t be able to post about “not” paying someone. It’s right up there with the “no fats, Blacks, or fems” slogan. Okay so non of those suit your preference? Fine. But they don’t need to ostracize an entire segment of people based on something they don’t like. Saying it’s “sad” and not giving “You” dollars is nothing short of belittling and bullying.

 

It’s false equivalency.

Like saying any escort asking for a deposit is really saying “I want to scam you” lol. Couldn’t resist. 

it’s not the same as saying no one of a specific race at all. Nor is he saying “no one who has ever escorted in their life or does so now even if it’s an unpaid encounter as I find you repulsive”.  He’s just saying he doesn’t want a paid experience.

You write page after page on here saying you end up wasting time with people who have no intention of hiring. Doesn’t it make it easier for you if someone tells you that isn’t for him in the first place?

Those hookup apps like Grindr are not for picking up clients. Maybe it happens but I would say 99% of people there are not looking for that when on there even if they look for it somewhere else. 

On 4/28/2023 at 1:04 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Now due to fewer websites, more guys popping up, and hookup apps: A lower rate may sound good to many, but unless I’m getting 1-3 LOCAL clients daily who are actually SERIOUS, Then maybe I could.

 

Are you saying you are competing with hookup apps like Grindr where people meet for free? 

That doesn’t make sense to me. 

Then you’re saying you’re offering something for $$$ vs a product that is zero dollars.

4 hours ago, Lazarus said:

Rentmen ad always says : Available Now

That wouldn’t be a problem … if you didn’t get a reply saying “what, you think I’m available all the time?? “ 😊

On 4/28/2023 at 2:45 PM, Simon Suraci said:

The OP question makes sense to me. If you’re ultimately wanting to go all the way, seems reasonable to hire an escort. 

My first experiences hiring were with masseurs and I was actually told by people suggesting it that it was a cheaper way to access escorts. Now that I look back it’s offensive to professionals both those defining themselves as escorts and as masseurs. 

But it’s also been the case that most massages I’ve booked have had the masseur himself trying to take it to something more. On one occasion one even whispered in my ear something like “if you tip me would have a lot more fun” (out of the blue, wasn’t like I was taking it in a direction and he was responding to that).  So I figured out there was different pricing for a reason and now I’m clearer about paying for and booking what I want and what the provider is offering without blurring lines. 
 

10 minutes ago, Rudynate said:

Of course you should.  But "timely" is a flexible concept.  If you are looking for a same-day encounter, and you tell him that, it is reasonable to expect a very fast turnaround.  Just because it's reasonable doesn't mean you'll get it - after all, this is a business that operates at the margins.

 

Sure understood, and everyone has different needs and constraints. I just don’t think there’s a standard etiquette on this that’s obvious. 

On 4/16/2023 at 7:00 PM, Jaroslav said:

I might venture to go even further and say part of being a professional escort is providing physical/sexual intimacy to precisely those who can’t get it easily without paying for it. The service is for the “less than desirable” to some degree. Not exclusively, of course, but to a degree. 

I’d agree if you say someone who’s a “6” or “7” which maybe most people are … can get a “9” or “10” (the provider) which likely wouldn’t happen in real life (or maybe it might given the relative incomes of a lot of clients and a lot of providers).

Otherwise I’d say “there’s someone for everyone” … so not just those “less than desirable” (by society, I assume you mean).

Though I do think some providers are of this view (ie our clients are all losers who could never get with anyone etc) and sometimes it comes across especially with the younger ones. 

Maybe some providers think clients look down on them too? (Socially, economically etc)

1 hour ago, Medin said:

Yes, the lack of a single smile in any photo is definitely one of mine as well.  Usually says something about the guy's personality/attitude.  

I think some providers like to convey a tough / rough image and some clients like it 

14 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

There seems to be an increase in freebie hunters. And freebies is the topic of this thread, so it’s not too off topic. Anyone don’t believe me, this is what I see in almost every other profile when someone hits me up on the “Goodwill” app. If I feel like it, I’ll write back: your profile is offensive, I’m not interested…

In fact, I am moving towards deleting it just for the mere fact that I don’t even like seeing people with stuff like that in their profile. If someone has to actively hate on sex workers in their profile, that’s just off-putting

 

 

That looks like Grindr which is not for hiring providers. It’s against their policy and someone caught can get banned. 

I see providers I find somewhere like a Rentmen. I look for dates / whatever you want to call it on Grindr. I don’t look for dates on Rentmen and I don’t look for providers on Grindr. Nothing wrong IMHO with what the person in that post has said as it’s very annoying to think you’re speaking w someone about a date (no $ involved) and it then turns into something else and it happens very frequently. How would a provider feel is someone hit them up on Rentmen and said “I love your look, but let’s just go on a regular date or hookup, and I won’t pay you anything”? 

Why is this person’s post offensive? He is not saying “I hate providers”. He is saying don’t contact me if you’re a provider looking to be paid from meeting me. Grindr is also full of opportunists looking for a one off paid interaction even if they’re not technically providers ongoing, and maybe he means that too.

Have a night in providence coming up … any views on one vs the other? Thx. 

Friday and Saturday nights are best … 9pm onwards any time through like 4am or so and younger guys come in as the bars close 

pre covid lunchtimes on weekdays was hot with tech and finance guys taking a break from the office but o think that dynamic changed because of work from home etc 

Sunday afternoon  is a different crowd but still busy … older Middle Aged and hot if you’re into that

sometimes they have student specials and the college kids come in but I think it’s not a regular thing so you can check on their website 

On 4/26/2023 at 10:28 AM, Rudynate said:

I don't.  I check it twice a day.   I'm  going into a new  B-to-C line of business, so that may change, but mostly, I'm looking for people who want to do business with ME, not people who are just shopping. 

If I’m looking to do business with a provider shouldn’t I expect some responses in a timely way to help me confirm if I should with that one? 

11 minutes ago, studchaser said:

Have done it with straight men who i know were in low wage jobs or had pressing life circumstances. Very high success rates but then i can read the room and ppl well.

How does that even happen? Do they know what to do and if so how?