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they look like two TOTALLY different guys; one has to be at least a decade older any intel on Tom's height and weight? He looks ginormous -- not that I'm leading to Ft. Lauderdale anytime soon.

Pretty sure I called this guy off his massage ad one time and there was an immediate price bump of 50 bucks from what was on his site. A red flag went up; I passed and I think I did the right thing.

I think he's long retired, but Jake # 3 in Los Angeles. HUGE guy. Looked big and friendly, just my type.

he looks 21 in that pic at. the. most. and his ad says 12 years of experience. $370 for 90 minutes of rimming and oral? I'd be too exhausted. ?

if so, I hope I hit the ground fast; don't want to waste his time!

Another vote for Andy at Candle Spa. Legit; I feel like new man when I leave. He's excellent, in a class by himself. Recommend. (when things are safe).

I think things like phone ringers, room temperatures, pressure intensity (either too heavy or too light), a light shining through the window can all be successfully negotiated after a massage starts...these are all things I'd ask about and have asked a provider about and in most instances they're happy to provide and make a change. We move on from there. Yay. Topics that are harder to broach are: a provider having no training or technique (despite their ad saying they do), upsells when you're really, really relaxed (really? NOW?) insisting their dog stays in the room (it's not the size or the assertiveness of the dog that bothers me; it's the attachment the provider has to the pooch), getting a little too intimate (I want a massage; I don't want to penetrate you)...the worst is when you get the impression they're just a prick and they're passive aggressive about everything. Negative experiences are rare, but they happen. One time, after getting a horrible massage, I had to go out and get...a massage. When I find a regular great guy, I'm loyal and will stay for years. The best two I ever had got out of the business for various reasons. Bummer.

I think things like phone ringers, room temperatures, pressure intensity (either too heavy or too light), a light shining through the window can all be successfully negotiated after a massage starts...these are all things I'd ask about and have asked a provider about and in most instances they're happy to provide and make a change. We move on from there. Yay. Topics that are harder to broach are: a provider having no training or technique (despite their ad saying they do), upsells when you're really, really relaxed (really? NOW?) insisting their dog stays in the room (it's not the size or the assertiveness of the dog that bothers me; it's the attachment the provider has to the pooch), getting a little too intimate (I want a massage; I don't want to penetrate you)...the worst is when you get the impression they're just a prick and they're passive aggressive about everything. Negative experiences are rare, but they happen. One time, after getting a horrible massage, I had to go out and get...a massage. When I find a regular great guy, I'm loyal and will stay for years. The best two I ever had got out of the business for various reasons. Bummer.

There were parts I enjoyed. It'd be nice if he just slowed down and put the emphasis a bit more on the client and the experience.

I liked him but...in hindsight, he did seem to rush it; it's weird how you can have a 1 hour massage and it feels perfectly timed and you feel like a valued customer. But other times, you can get that same 1 hour, but it FEELS totally rushed like the guy has something else on his mind. But it's hard to put your finger on it when you get the same amount of time. Can you imagine having him as a nurse and you need him to get out of bed so he can take you to x-rays or to the bathroom? I hope he doesn't rush his patients! I did like him and would be willing to book 90 minutes if he'd slow down a bit.

I just book (well, used to pre-covid) and whatever would happen would happen; mostly, I wanted a great massage. I found a few great regulars over the years; the best one kept me draped, no HE; just a hug at the end; it wasn't sexual; barely sensual, but extremely intimate and therapeutic. He moved away; I was sooo bummed out.

even IF people don't agree with your stance so, what? They should just keep scrolling; except for my park chair massage I've been super careful. And thanks again for your post. I appreciate it.

it was a chair massage outdoors, yes. thanks. I'm hoping it was safe, too. I don't think I would have done it had it not been outdoors. the HE got us some stares but I think the gawkers were just jealous....(KIDDING!) ? and I walked away feeling like a different man

ironically, I ran into a guy whom I used to get chair massages from; he was set up in a park. I went for it. Hoping it was safe.

it's tough holding off on massages right now, but it's for the best; thanks for your post.

$200 for an hour? even with some training, I'm going to need to be held for a bit afterwards.

yikes, man sorry you went through all that. I called a guy for a massage once; his ad said $150; he said on the phone he was upping it (a significant amount) because he was worth it and we'd probably end up doing more. Yikes! I begged off, told him I'd think about it; I'm sure he's heard THAT before. Mostly, I try to pay attention to red flags early on but I'm far from perfect; Good luck on the next one.

I'm sure. I was too old to be falling for such charms when every instinct was screaming run; that said, I saw progress in my workout routines unlike never before.

he filled out a t-shirt nicely, but in a natural way; he wasn't a body builder; just a mind-fucker who got off on hurting folks; he'd use one hand to pull someone closer to him and then the other to push them away. Sigh. It was tough, but it didn't kill me.

I had a trainer once who was very hands-on, and handsy; he was about 4 inches taller and he'd guide me around the crowded gym floor, gently putting his hand on my shoulder and direct me where I needed to go. (I didn't have a great attention span so this helped a lot.) He made the training fun, pushed me harder than I ever would myself. He'd give the exercises silly names. One thing I've always found intimidating is ass-holes who know how to use the machines better than I do and they'd be impatient watching me finish up. But having a trainer seems to cut through all that. He was a buffer between me and the pricks. It was all too good to be true, I thought. One day, he kinda...well, not kinda, he snapped at me over nothing. He apologized later and I lied to myself that he was under stress and he'd never do it again -- even though every instinct I had told me more was coming. (Do I need to finish this story?) Dude must have been bi-polar. The snapping would come out of the blue; apologies were few and far between. You have to go down a really dark hole to convince yourself that someone who's being a dick to you isn't -- just because he calls you 'buddy' every now and then. The work relationship ended. He was brutal about it and I haven't been able to find someone to trust again. I won't even try till after COVID, but boy did it all suck. We'd confide in each other stuff. I thought we were pals. We weren't.

You must be bummed out Savantsav -- a PT who would work you out and be intimate? My trainer relationships usually go bust because I want that extra dynamic but never seem to be able to find.

wow, if COVID weren't an issue I'd call and ask how much he charges to spoon for an hour; me into him. 26 is a little young for the emotional aspect, but maybe he's an old soul.

looks like Jason Ritter a bit

there was one guy; beautiful soloflex body in weho...advertistered in Frontiers. he had a loft apartment all that was in the loft was the table; amazing massage; he didn't say much and he didn't do much...the first time... I was left wanting to know him better; he was so mysterious; then, he just disappeared.