Can Washington D.C. remain a viable market, with the challenges presented?

[Mocha]

I’ve been a regular going to D.C. about once a year or so as an escort, since about 2013. I’ve had some good streaks specifically the first and second visits. I’ve also met a handful of cool dudes from the forum.

 

But I have to say, it seems more and more that each trip ends up being a cluster fuck of flakes, ridiculously priced hotels, and overall confusion and aggravation. There’s always some huge events going on, too many people and traffic and the lack of commitment from the clients here is beyond irritating. When a client does come thru, it’s like you have to bend over backwards and walk upside down to get to them.

 

I even stayed at the Westin downtown for 3 days for technically free (which was running $350/night), while my friend’s company paid for it. So during the day, I had the place to myself. Didn’t get shit over there, but did happen to catch a last minute late night outcall to DuPont. I had at least 3 other clients who could have come through on my last day, but non showed up.

 

At this point, I’m just so disgusted by this city. I’m never coming here again unless I have the whole visit/hotels paid for in advance. The only good clients here are the local and visiting business White guys. But considering there’s a mostly mixed population around the entire DMV area, most of the other types are just so fucking full of shit up the ass, it’s not even worth the frustration and aggravation anymore.

 

I find it seems the only good time here is either dead of summer (which can be cheap but slow) or in February right at refund times. Any other time, I should know better not to even bother.

 

[marylander1940]

I’ve been a regular going to D.C. about once a year or so as an escort, since about 2013. I’ve had some good streaks specifically the first and second visits. I’ve also met a handful of cool dudes from the forum.

 

But I have to say, it seems more and more that each trip ends up being a cluster fuck of flakes, ridiculously priced hotels, and overall confusion and aggravation. There’s always some huge events going on, too many people and traffic and the lack of commitment from the clients here is beyond irritating. When a client does come thru, it’s like you have to bend over backwards and walk upside down to get to them.

 

I even stayed at the Westin downtown for 3 days for technically free (which was running $350/night), while my friend’s company paid for it. So during the day, I had the place to myself. Didn’t get shit over there, but did happen to catch a last minute late night outcall to DuPont. I had at least 3 other clients who could have come through on my last day, but non showed up.

 

At this point, I’m just so disgusted by this city. I’m never coming here again unless I have the whole visit/hotels paid for in advance. The only good clients here are the local and visiting business White guys. But considering there’s a mostly mixed population around the entire DMV area, most of the other types are just so fucking full of shit up the ass, it’s not even worth the frustration and aggravation anymore.

 

So I’ll be doing my last couple days here, then I’m out.

 

I know a lot of escorts who only to go a city if they have an anchor, that means someone who pays for an overnight or multiple hours.

 

It's a city known for

 

[Shawn Monroe]

I feel like we all have that one city that we can’t deal with. For me it is Kansas City and Houston.

[Mocha]

I feel like we all have that one city that we can’t deal with. For me it is Kansas City and Houston.

 

Oh Gawd, I definitely stopped fucking with Kansas City too awhile back. But you know what’s funny, it used to be a little secret gem of a city and I met good clients over there, circa 2010-2013. Used to drive there from Denver often. But something got in the water there, and fucked it up as a market. After 2014, it became nothing but a bunch of flakes and idiots. Plus, that place has a touch of midwest intolerance that I’ve come across a couple of times. Which sucks because it was always a good stop over city for a night or two on my way driving to or from the east.

 

My thing with D.C. is it has potential, but sometimes it’s a bit much involved to reach it. Trying to cram into other’s schedules, sometimes last minute calls, and general flaking because clients know there’s 50,000 escorts to pick from, visiting on any week. It’s usually not necessary to stay in the District, but this trip made it necessary to do so. That adds up.

 

And everywhere else in town is high finance at the moment. I just paid $100 for a bullshit room on the outskirts, and the MoFo cancels an hour and a half prior, as I’m handing over my card at the front desk. But it’s okay, because he’s going to end up right on my twitter client warning page.

 

There may be a lot of educated, degree types. But there’s also a lot of drop outs here when it comes to keeping any plans.

 

Edit: fortunately the drop out from earlier made amends and we got things sorted in person. So at least they’re trying here. So I won’t be to hard on the Marylanders, Virginians, and DCians

Edited May 24, 2018 by Mocha

[+ OliverSaks]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

[+ OliverSaks]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

[MikeBiDude]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

Aren’t there limits to the lengths of posts....I don’t think he could fit his list in

[MikeBiDude]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

Aren’t there limits to the lengths of posts....I don’t think he could fit his list in

[wklucas]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

 

 

A (much, much) shorter list would be places where he's happy, errrr successful - a piece of paper with a headline written across the top "This page intentionally left blank".

[wklucas]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

 

 

A (much, much) shorter list would be places where he's happy, errrr successful - a piece of paper with a headline written across the top "This page intentionally left blank".

[marylander1940]

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

 

Reminds me of the Dallas mafia thread.

 

I would suggest an escort to only go to place is he has an anchor * there but I guess sometimes life is a gamble in this and other businesses/activities.

 

* Someone who'll pay for an overnight or multiple hours and have sent a booking fee or paid for the flight.

[MartyB]

I feel like we all have that one city that we can’t deal with. For me it is Kansas City and Houston.

Glad to see NYC is not on that list. LoL

[marylander1940]

Glad to see NYC is not on that list. LoL

 

Yet is such a competitive market some escorts have given up going there.

[Shawn Monroe]

I would suggest an escort to only go to place is he has an anchor * there but I guess sometimes life is a gamble in this and other businesses/activities.

 

* Someone who'll pay for an overnight or multiple hours and have sent a booking fee or paid for the flight.

 

Oh the dallas mafia...

 

Maybe I’m in the wrong here, but I’d never base a trip completely off of one client.

 

And overnights / multiple-hour clients can be harder to come by than you make it seem. I have a few but they’re the overwhelming minority.

[Ryan Roman]

I agree overnight/multiple hour clients are tough to come by. I've got a couple regulars, but the rest are just one or two hour appointments.

[Shawn Monroe]

If I, in general have at least three appoints before I make the trip then I’ll keep it. Everything else will fall in line at that point.

[Beancounter]

If I, in general have at least three appoints before I make the trip then I’ll keep it. Everything else will fall in line at that point.

Do you still pull out your iPhone and start your countdown clock so the client sees it. Very unprofessional.

[Shawn Monroe]

Do you still pull out your iPhone and start your countdown clock so the client sees it. Very unprofessional.

Its not a countdown clock. Its just a huge clock that uses the whole display of my phone.

 

Either way, I’m sorry that being respectful of you and other clients time is considered unprofessional. Hiding behind your blank profile must be nice, Though I’m not sure if discussing this here is the appropriate place place for this.

Edited May 25, 2018 by Shawn Monroe

[Mocha]

Well, well, well. Maybe I spoke too soon. I admit, I lied. I'm probably not going to give up D.C. that easily. Things turned around within the last 24 hours, and have already pulled in close to a Grand, And that's with only 3 clients. That's what D.C. is SUPPOSED to be like. People don't generally balk at rates here, and unlike places like Florida which can genuinely be a bonafide headache, D.C. Simply has too much potential to write off.

 

However, I don't take back what I've said about Washington. Hotels can still fluctuate from available and reasonable, to exorbitantly expensive and scarce, without warning. And there has been an increase in flakes, which can also come without warning. I had a streak of flakes back in July 2016, and this trip was beginning to mimic it...but it pulled out okay. Even during that streak, I ended up having an overnight client on my last day.

 

Honestly, the only reason I've even been able to bounce back and make a profit, is because I got here earlier than my government-employed friend and stayed later. Plus the free nights. Had I did what he did: flown in on Saturday, flown out on Wednesday...I'd of likely been going home in a deficit. That's why I find it hard to understand how many guys can fly into a city for say; 3 or 4 days and make a profit. I have been in D.C. area for a week, and I didn't meet my first new client until 5 days into the trip.

 

Could you make a list to share of the places you are “done with” - I’d be curious to see your reasons for abandoning those places

 

It's all relative. I'm sure someone would disagree with my assessment of D.C., especially if they lived there. But often as a visiting escort, there's a limited time for a city to make an impression. And if there's back to back bullshit, the city is not going to perceived well. But since you asked, I can give a short list of places that...maybe I'm not "done" with (sometimes it's even necessary for me to regularly visit some of these areas), but would certainly proceed with my guard up...as it's likely I've lost money and sanity going there, on numerous times.

 

Las Vegas: flakes/drunks/gamers

Denver: barebackers/drugs/low pay

Atlanta: rude/condescending

Miami/Fort Lauderdale: flakes/drugs/suspects

Los Angeles: gamers/flakes/rudes

Palm Springs: flakes/bullshitters

St. Louis/Kansas City: gamers/no one ever hosts/cancels

Chicago: no shows/play games/expensive

Nashville: expensive/annoying/usually dead

Orlando: Superflakes/gamers/low pay/no pay

Boston: aggressive clientele/heavy drug use

Columbus/Indianapolis: random flakes/liars/gamers

 

*Disclaimer, despite the above...I've met great clients in all of the above cities. So if anyone asks me to say something good about them, there you have it. BUT-However, it doesn't change the "average" outcome of the above. I wouldn't be nieve and ignore those experiences.

 

As for the cities I can most times say good things about:

 

San Francisco: (though on the latest trip, it's become similar to the issues of D.C.)

Phoenix: (though it has the same tendencies of Los Angeles and Orlando)

Washington D.C. Business epicenter. Good when it wants to be though

The upper Midwest: lots of horny farm boys, but lower rates/occasional flakes

North Carolina: Good Business center, but tends to share tendancies of Kansas City

The mountain west: Little to no competition, but rates can be lower/clients sparse

Edited May 25, 2018 by Mocha

[KCRob]

I feel like we all have that one city that we can’t deal with. For me it is Kansas City and Houston.

 

That is extremely harsh to publicly blacklist two cities. Many excellent escorts come through here regularly with great success. If you are frustrated with a market, try harder to build a loyal clientele there or simply avoid it.

[Shawn Monroe]

Alrighty. I’m from Houston, and I like Kansas City as a city. And I’ve been going there regularly since 2016 - my last trip was in March; I’m not saying this based off of one trip. And I’ll most likely visit the city because bbq (q39 and charbar) concerts, and the general feel of the city. And it’s a straight shot up 35 from OKC so I can be there in no time.

 

But Not every city is great for every guy, as @Mocha has pointed out. And some of the cities he points out I agree with but some I don’t. Not to mention, that’s exactly what mocha is doing, so to call me out singularly seems odd.

 

I’m sayinv I’ve had great success in nearly every city I’ve been to. But sometimes the factors for success in one city can outweigh the others.

[Mocha]

That is extremely harsh to publicly blacklist two cities. Many excellent escorts come through here regularly with great success. If you are frustrated with a market, try harder to build a loyal clientele there or simply avoid it.

 

Idk, I don't think that's harsh at all, especially considering what I posted above. He just mentioned a couple places that he found to be not worth the hassles of visiting. No reason in trying to keep on going, when there's other cities that'll produce better results for that person.

 

The first part of getting a loyal clientele is to actually meet them. In some cities, the meeting never takes place, thus building a loyal clientele becomes impossible.

 

For example: I was in North Carolina the other week for a couple days. I had my main client, but then needed to wait around for a couple days before I started my next trip. Two clients inquired about an appointment, one even sending a photo...then the MoFoes tell me they decided to "make other plans" after I attempted to set up a time THEY requested.

 

These aren't just cancellations, it's just MoFoes being MoFoes.

[KCRob]

[+ tassojunior]

Well, well, well. Maybe I spoke too soon. I admit, I lied. I'm probably not going to give up D.C. that easily. Things turned around within the last 24 hours, and have already pulled in close to a And that's with only 3 clients. That's what D.C. is SUPPOSED to be like. People don't generally balk at rates here, and unlike places like Florida which can genuinely be a bonafide headache, D.C. Simply has too much potential to write off.

 

However, I don't take back what I've said about Washington. Hotels can still fluctuate from available and reasonable, to exorbitantly expensive and scarce, without warning. And there has been an increase in flakes, which can also come without warning. I had a streak of flakes back in July 2016, and this trip was beginning to mimic it...but it pulled out okay. Even during that streak, I ended up having an overnight client on my last day.

 

Honestly, the only reason I've even been able to bounce back and make a profit, is because I got here earlier than my government-employed friend and stayed later. Plus the free nights. Had I did what he did: flown in on Saturday, flown out on Wednesday...I'd of likely been going home in a deficit. That's why I find it hard to understand how many guys can fly into a city for say; 3 or 4 days and make a profit. I have been in D.C. area for a week, and I didn't meet my first new client until 5 days into the trip.

 

 

 

It's all relative. I'm sure someone would disagree with my assessment of D.C., especially if they lived there. But often as a visiting escort, there's a limited time for a city to make an impression. And if there's back to back bullshit, the city is not going to perceived well. But since you asked, I can give a short list of places that...maybe I'm not "done" with (sometimes it's even necessary for me to regularly visit some of these areas), but would certainly proceed with my guard up...as it's likely I've lost money and sanity going there, on numerous times.

 

Las Vegas: flakes/drunks/gamers

Denver: barebackers/drugs/low pay

Atlanta: rude/condescending

Miami/Fort Lauderdale: flakes/drugs/suspects

Los Angeles: gamers/flakes/rudes

Palm Springs: flakes/bullshitters

St. Louis/Kansas City: gamers/no one ever hosts/cancels

Chicago: no shows/play games/expensive

Nashville: expensive/annoying/usually dead

Orlando: Superflakes/gamers/low pay/no pay

Boston: aggressive clientele/heavy drug use

Columbus/Indianapolis: random flakes/liars/gamers

 

*Disclaimer, despite the above...I've met great clients in all of the above cities. So if anyone asks me to say something good about them, there you have it. BUT-However, it doesn't change the "average" outcome of the above. I wouldn't be nieve and ignore those experiences.

 

As for the cities I can most times say good things about:

 

San Francisco: (though on the latest trip, it's become similar to the issues of D.C.)

Phoenix: (though it has the same tendencies of Los Angeles and Orlando)

Washington D.C. Business epicenter. Good when it wants to be though

The upper Midwest: lots of horny farm boys, but lower rates/occasional flakes

North Carolina: Good Business center, but tends to share tendancies of Kansas City

The mountain west: Little to no competition, but rates can be lower/clients sparse

 

I help some friends who come here to DC work from S.Florida. More clients here and easy. Hotels are extremely cheap in winter. Otherwise there are two or three good little hotels in Dupont/Logan always on Hotwire. There's a real shortage of providers in DC.

 

Generally NYC/LA/DC are the big 3.

[Mocha]

Alrighty. I’m from Houston, and I like Kansas City as a city. And I’ve been going there regularly since 2016 - my last trip was in March; I’m not saying this based off of one trip. And I’ll most likely visit the city because bbq (q39 and charbar) concerts, and the general feel of the city. And it’s a straight shot up 35 from OKC so I can be there in no time.

 

But Not every city is great for every guy, as @Mocha has pointed out. And some of the cities he points out I agree with but some I don’t. Not to mention, that’s exactly what mocha is doing, so to call me out singularly seems odd.

 

I’m sayinv I’ve had great success in nearly every city I’ve been to. But sometimes the factors for success in one city can outweigh the others.

 

Some people just don't understand, no matter how you explain it. But, sometimes it takes a deeper level of knowledge and understanding to get WHY some places don't work for everyone. So, I wouldn't pay it no mind.

 

I can talk about Kansas City all day, because I used to go through there all the time...like I said, since 2010. One of my favorite clients was from there.

 

However, the place itself is ultra conservative mentally. Plus, some areas perceive "us" differently than others. Omaha, Nebraska is not far from KC, and has a similar vibe. There's just an aura of intolerance that I can just feel. I feel like some cities, they're used to seeing "us" guys mopping floors and doing service industry work, so when you're asking for $200+ for "companionship", it just seems foreign concept to them.

 

I've run into a handful of crap in KC that makes me not like going there, beyond clients. One bitch was trying to give me a lecture about having a Florida's license with a Colorado addres. Bitch, you work behind the counter at Wal-Mart, not the DMV. Plus it wasn't expired for another 4 years.

 

It's like some cities like to purposely make people feel marginalized. And St. Louis isn't any better.