A good question in another part of the forum

[TruthBTold]

Personally I try to be very clear that it's just time that's being paid for. I'm naturally more of a bottom, but I do have a vers side and I'm comfortable topping. That being said, I'm always completely upfront about any of this kind of stuff. I haven't had to think about this before really, but personally if I felt that I under-performed with a client, or a client were to tell me, in a nice, comfortable way, that they felt I had under-performed, I wouldn't think of asking for the full rate. There's still some part of it I'd probably have to ask for, but again I think this is also why it's generally best to pay afterwards and not upfront. There needs to be some level of trust on both ends. I'm sure there are also situations that could happen where I'd apologize profusely and waive the entire rate. . . .

 

If you are naturally more of a bottom, then just state you are a bottom. I you put down you are versatile or bottom/versatile (or whatever we use nowadays) then you probably will be expected to act as a top somewhere along the way. Unless you have had an explicit conversation and you have made it known by only bottom. And in some cases, even if you list you are just a bottom someone might ask if you also top in some circumstances (like more $ or whatever). If you say "yes" then that is what is expected. However, I agree with you wholeheartedly that if something or nothing happens a discussion has to be engaged in. Hopefully an agreement can be come to as to the amount that the services that were rendered (assuming some were) were worth. In the end it is the client that holds the money.

[MichBoyBlake]

If you are naturally more of a bottom, then just state you are a bottom. I you put down you are versatile or bottom/versatile (or whatever we use nowadays) then you probably will be expected to act as a top somewhere along the way. Unless you have had an explicit conversation and you have made it known by only bottom. And in some cases, even if you list you are just a bottom someone might ask if you also top in some circumstances (like more $ or whatever). If you say "yes" then that is what is expected. However, I agree with you wholeheartedly that if something or nothing happens a discussion has to be engaged in. Hopefully an agreement can be come to as to the amount that the services that were rendered (assuming some were) were worth. In the end it is the client that holds the money.

 

I totally agree! I'm also very much not shy about having honest conversations with somewhat careful wording to make sure that whatever arrangement ends up being agreed on works out for both myself and a potential client. I list myself as versatile/bottom because I am both confident and comfortable with topping, but bottom just comes to me easier and more naturally, and I ultimately enjoy bottoming much more too.

 

At first I listed myself as bottom, and after a while, thanks to some conversations with clients, I realized it's simply better for me to list as versatile/bottom, since when I list myself as just bottom, clients are very, very rarely willing to reach out and send me a quick message asking if I'm strictly bottom or if I'm able to take on a vers or top role at all. Just as you suggested about clients reaching out, I just find that clients are generally more willing to reach out this way. I would also never ask for a higher rate in that case, as I do stand by my rate being just for time.

 

As you can tell I type way too much haha. I personally just like to talk things out a little bit and make sure that both sides are in agreement and everything will work out well. I do know I probably lose a fair amount of potential clients this way since I'm generally not all that thrilled about meeting without chatting a bit first to make sure I'm a good fit for the client, and to a lesser extent vice-versa.

 

I don't think versatile/bottom is a dishonest way for me to advertise myself, but if I were to advertise myself as JUST versatile, then that would certainly feel dishonest to me.

Edited May 23, 2018 by MichBoyBlake

[MichBoyBlake]

Ah, yes, I am sure the vast multitudes hire escorts without any expectation of physical 'stuff.' They spend hundreds of dollars just to pass the time. If your response was not meant to be snarky, I apologize.

 

I'm really just trying to add to the conversation so like don't think I'm coming for anyone or anything like that, but for me I actually really do think of it as just for my time. Sure, there's definitely a level of physical 'stuff' that's often expected, but I'm also ok with taking on clients that end up wanting minimal physical 'stuff', or even just no physical 'stuff' at all. The way I treat it is that both sides just have to be willing to trust the other side a bit.

 

To me this largely means that any clients that book me have to be willing to trust that I actually enjoy this work and will always do my best to be professional, but also help them escape for a while, relax, and feel satisfied with their decision to book me.

 

I only do outcalls, so on my end I have to trust that a client won't back out last minute after I've already done all the work to get out to them, and then I also have to trust that the agreed upon rate is honored, since I'd never ask until afterwards. It's really not the smartest idea to just throw this information out there but like also... the part of getting the agreed on rate is definitely a huge part of the trust I place in clients, because really if I were to get shorted or even stiffed.... honestly the only repercussion for the client would be that I wouldn't book with that particular client again, and I imagine this is true for at least some other providers as well. If they have an RM profile or something I might leave the client a bad review but I mean, that really isn't much of a repercussion. I'm getting off-track here though.

 

My point is I would never show up for the 'time' and then just not be willing to do anything because that would be insane and horrible. BUT like, I really don't at all think of it as payment for activities.. not that I have any moral qualms with that in the slightest. I just most definitely think of it as a rate for my time.

[TruthBTold]

I totally agree! I'm also very much not shy about having honest conversations with somewhat careful wording to make sure that whatever arrangement ends up being agreed on works out for both myself and a potential client. I list myself as versatile/bottom because I am both confident and comfortable with topping, but bottom just comes to me easier and more naturally, and I ultimately enjoy bottoming much more too.

At first I listed myself as bottom, and after a while, thanks to some conversations with clients, I realized it's simply better for me to list as versatile/bottom, since when I list myself as just bottom, clients are very, very rarely willing to reach out and send me a quick message asking if I'm strictly bottom or if I'm able to take on a vers or top role at all. Just as you suggested about clients reaching out, I just find that clients are generally more willing to reach out this way. I would also never ask for a higher rate in that case, as I do stand by my rate being just for time.

As you can tell I type way too much haha. I personally just like to talk things out a little bit and make sure that both sides are in agreement and everything will work out well. I do know I probably lose a fair amount of potential clients this way since I'm generally not all that thrilled about meeting without chatting a bit first to make sure I'm a good fit for the client, and to a lesser extent vice-versa.

I don't think versatile/bottom is a dishonest way for me to advertise myself, but if I were to advertise myself as JUST versatile, then that would certainly feel dishonest to me.

 

You can never type too much on this board. Well, maybe Steve K.

[MichBoyBlake]

You can never type too much on this board. Well, maybe Steve K.

 

haha thanks. I tend to talk a lot too if I'm comfortable enough with people, but online like this, that level of comfort doesn't matter soo I always end up typing a lot. But I also just think it's generally good practice to be as clear as you can be and minimize the possibility for misunderstandings.

[FigureSkater]

What if the opposite occurred rather than the inability to get hard and the escort accidentally cums too quickly in... say 15 minutes into a 1 hour session... what’s the best way to deal with the situation if the client was expecting to bottom for the majority of the session?

[MichBoyBlake]

What if the opposite occurred rather than the inability to get hard and the escort accidentally cums too quickly in... say 15 minutes into a 1 hour session... what’s the best way to deal with the situation if the client was expecting to bottom for the majority of the session?

 

I think if the provider could stay hard or quickly get hard again, even if they're ultimately unable to cum again, then it would probably be mostly ok. Otherwise that's definitely a situation where the provider should probably apologize and waive most of the fee, assuming the client was really only interested in bottoming the whole time. But you know, talk it out.. it might still turn into something that's a good session for both the client and provider, even with a mishap like that.

 

Although I feel like this would be way less likely to happen than the original question posted.. imo good providers should be plenty experienced and have good control over this sort of thing.