MichBoyBlake

Yeah to be honest I have seen discrepancies there too and I'm not entirely sure what it means. I tend to just look at the stats page and sorta judge everything off of the total visits, and ignore the unique ones. Both clients and providers are able to like, turn off whether or not it shows up when they visit a profile, so my guess is that if you have that turned off, you show up under total views but not unique views. I have also made the guess that like, people visiting your profile that don't actually have their own profile set up on RM show up as a total view but not as unique. I don't really know to be fair, those are just kinda what I've guessed. Idk if that made any sense haha, I'm not entirely sure how well I described that. Idk if you're new to RM or not, but personally I just try not to really worry about the stats so much. IMO views don't really mean very much.. what matters is people actually contacting and booking you. I think there's just a level of unpredictable randomness in that sense that you can't really do too much about unfortunately. But I'm still relatively new to everything compared to others on this forum, so I might not be able to give as good of input as others can.

I've also been thinking about the camming set up through RM... I just thought I should also ask if anyone has an experience with that using that site in particular, or if it's worth it compared to other sites like CB or Cam4? Thanks! I appreciate all the info I've been getting from this!

I copy/pasted this directly from RentMen.. idk if you hadn't seen this, or if their description is what you were having trouble understanding, but I thought I'd throw it into this thread just in case. I really don't mean for this to come off as patronizing or condescending or anything lol, I just thought it'd be a useful to post this in this thread as a reference.

I sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I'm just hoping for a bit of advice/input from anyone that has done cam work before. I tried it out for like a week or so about a year ago, and although I did decently for that short amount of time, I ended up stopping since it just felt soo boring.. my next step was to start getting into escorting actually, haha. However I've had a bit extra free time as of late. Business has picked up a little bit lately but it's still be quite slow compared to what it was before the whole FOSTA thing. I've been thinking about trying it out again, but at the same time I really hate the part where like, you're expected to constantly be focused on your viewers, even if there are only a few at a time, and it basically seems like you get written off entirely if you are multitasking or doing anything else at all to pass the time while waiting for more interested people to show up. I'm very much on the fence about this so I thought I'd reach out here to see if anyone has any advice or experience to share, since I just hate the part of sitting around and waiting for anyone interested to show up. It's something I really wouldn't mind doing a small amount of here and there as a bit of extra income... it's just the sitting around and waiting part that really gets to me haha.

I haven't yet done any traveling as an escort, but I'm gonna mostly agree with @Mocha . I've been looking into doing some traveling this summer, and basically I've come to the conclusion that like, at least for me it'd be best to just go somewhere that I actually want to visit anyways. If it's profitable, great. If it ends up not being profitable, I'm still getting a trip out of it that I wanted to take anyways. It would kinda suck if at the end of the trip I haven't even broke even but, I think when I travel I'll just go with the mentality that I might not even break even and focus on enjoying the trip, making it worth it regardless. To be fair I really enjoy traveling and like discovering new places though. I know not everyone is into that so much.

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I definitely see how it does! Not throwing any shade but like I said, personally I'd maybe make a small comment once to sorta let the client know that I'm aware of the extra and appreciate it, but not really push it much more.

haha I'm not that guy obviously, but my first thought is that he's mostly leaving that option open and being nice! It's definitely the type of thing I would say lol. I'm not trying to say he's being fake or anything, I just imagine that it's a situation where basically at the follow-up when he mentions that you had given him too much, he's giving you the option to take the extra off of the rate during the follow-up based on his normal rate, but at the same time not like, overly force it and make you feel uncomfortable about it lol. And I mean, who's really ever going to honestly say "this is outrageous you've absolutely given me too much I cannot accept this!" hahaha

Yeah I mean I don't go anywhere near 300/hr haha. Mostly rate hasn't been an issue with RM clients, but it's been an issue with people on A4A ever since I started using that site as well.. but idk I should honestly just stop trying to make my rate work for people on there so much. It feels like people on there wouldn't even be open to 100/hr.. and honestly I couldn't go any lower than that. 100/hr would hardly even be worth it for me.. at that point it'd be less about the rate and more about the possibility of gaining a new regular lol. Thanks for all the insight! I definitely feel way more confident now with just sticking to my normal rate instead of trying to make everyone single person that contacts me happy, lol.

I mean, I totally agree with figuring out that part of it quickly so that it doesn't have to be a major part of the entire interaction -- that being said I'm not asking for a lengthy barter and debate. On the other end of it when someone asks my rate I don't feel like it's the best to pull out a giant list of different rates for all sorts of different things; It feels better to throw out a quick hourly rate as a response, but be open to discussing that simple rate.

Is it really a "card" if it's true though?

OK I SWEAR I was typing out my post and hit post reply, and THEN saw this post of yours. I wasn't commenting on that issue AT ALL. I was just trying to make a general observation. I imagine there are definitely some places where a ridiculous amount of racism makes it extremely difficult; don't get me wrong!

I have a bit more free time than usual now and I've been hoping to get out and travel since I haven't done much of that in a long time, and doing this gives me an excuse to travel alone.. otherwise I have a hard time making the commitment to go on trips without having others with me. I'm sorry to hear you've had such a hard time with the DMV area... that was one area I've actually been thinking about visiting this summer, well really more the Maryland part of it, but maybe I'll rethink that a bit now haha. I obviously haven't been doing this for all that long and I don't have experience with getting clients outside of my own local-ish area, but I imagine that if I get as many flakes and bs here in an area that's not like, crazy filled with either the supply or the demand... a larger city/metro area with a bigger supply/demand would amount to way more contact but also a lot more flakes, just because the base supply and demand is generally higher.

I hope it's ok to post this here! This is mainly a question for clients, but of course I'm happy to hear anyone's input! I have a normal, standard go-to rate that I tell potential clients when they ask what my rate is, however I try to make it clear that I personally feel every client is different, so I'm always very open to discussing the rate with potential clients. It isn't that my normal rate is necessarily high-balling and looking to be challenged by a client... it's really just the type of thing where if my normal rate works for you, great, if it doesn't, let's discuss it a bit further and figure out something that works well for both of us! Not everyone wants it to be hourly, some people want things like 90 mins, and some simply need to get it a bit lower, etc. Whatever. I'm absolutely OK with working with any client when it comes to agreeing on a rate before we schedule. However, I feel like a fair amount of the time when the client isn't comfortable with the normal rate I tell them, they won't try to work out something that works better for them with me, even if they seem very intent on hiring me... they'll either just stop talking and pass, or look to me to just randomly throw them a lower number. There are still times when clients that are unhappy with the normal rate will discuss it with me and ultimately try to make something work, but it always feels like a bit of a let down when they just don't even see the point in trying to discuss it with me. At first I thought it was the language, so I quickly made the switch to using very soft, non-aggressive language with things like "discuss" or "figure out what works best for both of us", etc. Anyways I know there's a lot of random hypotheticals and extraneous variables to this situation overall, but with all that said: As a client, if you were talking with a provider and interested in hiring that particular provider, but weren't fully comfortable with their rate, would you be open to discussing the rate with that provider, especially after the provider made it clear that they're open to having a dialogue and coming to solution that ultimately works out for both of you? If you would rather move on than have this sort of conversation, why? I'll also note that for the most part I'm not talking about clients that contact me through RM at all. In general clients that contact me through RM more or less expect the rate I tell them and are comfortable with it. This is more about potential clients from other sites... as least as far as I've been able to tell there's weirdly a way higher level of understanding and professionalism on RM than on anywhere else.

Totally unrelated but your signature on here just gave me a good idea and I'm not gonna make mine exactly the way you've done yours but uhh.. you might notice some influence

Personally I'm horrible and I actually prefer staying at places where the doors are on the outside, although I'm not saying I prefer fleabag motels either. I'm not the person you're asking obviously, but I think if I were to stay at a hotel that I planned on meeting clients in, I would definitely want it to be not just doors on the inside, but also the type of hotel that has a small bar and maybe even a small restaurant inside as well; I would feel more comfortable with the added buffer of a lobby that's relatively busy most of the time due to amenities offered by the hotel. If the client is just walking right up to your room door from their car, it completely removes that buffer.

I know I'm not other escorts and the same person you quoted lol, but I'm not trying to stop other escorts from putting in their 2 cents either. In a slightly more perfect world, clients would look through my whole profile and read everything before contacting me. In reality that actually happens pretty infrequently... although the ones that do actually read everything and don't ask questions that are already answered on the ad, do tend to be the best clients. That being said I'm just so used to answering questions that the client should already know the answer to if they actually looked through my whole ad that I honestly didn't even think of the fact that my ad says "safe only" yet I do get asked if I'm willing to bareback or not, until you just brought it up haha.

IMO there's just a level of illusion to all of this, as there is in EVERYTHING when it comes to marketing and advertising in general. I think it's a bit naive to think of things like age shaving or slight adjustments to stats to be seen as "they're liars and theives!" I mean, are you going to require a state or federal issued ID from every escort you hire before hiring them? Are you going to get out the tape measure as soon as you meet the person you're hiring, or have them immediately get on a scale? I'm not coming for you I'm just trying to challenge that perspective a bit. These are just some random numbers I'm choosing so hopefully this doesn't end up being a bad example because I'm honestly not that great at judging things like height, weight or age myself... BUT, let's say you decide to hire an escort based on their ad, which would involve a bit of text that tries to show their personality, stats, pictures, and maybe a video or two. If you read 26, 6'1, 170, 7", and like the profile text and the pics/videos... are you really going to notice once the escort shows up in person that they're actually 29, 6', 180, and 6.5" ? ESPECIALLY given that presumably their pics/vids are recent and 100% of themself? Now obviously escorts can go way too far with falsifying information like that... but if it's incredibly obvious that should be a fair reason to turn them away, leave a bad review, and hope that they learn from the experience that they exaggerated themselves too far.

I think clients do get a little more acceptable wiggle room. It's pretty much impossible for racism or prejudice to be completely nullified, especially in the US.. but globally too. It's probably always going to be a part of the human condition. IMO the most important thing is to be able to look into your own head and not just recognize these things, but be fully conscious and aware of them and why your brain sees things the way it does. That being said... this is a freelance or contracting or w/e type of thing. Unless it's some out-of-the-ordinary arrangement, it's really not quite the same as an employer interviewing an employee and then passing on their application simply because of their race. In fact it's quite the opposite really, given that the way this tends to work isn't providers applying to clients, but providers airing their 'resume' so-to-speak, and clients making most of the initial contacts. So I think clients are certainly allowed to have different things they want and preferences, even if they're a bit picky.. but clients also don't ever really need to explain these preferences. BUT on the same end providers are totally allowed to at a certain point be like, "we've been chatting for too long and I've been answering too many questions at this point to figure out if I'm EXACTLY what your imagination is looking for... at this point I need you to schedule something if you want to continue talking". What I'm trying to get at isn't that clients have a responsibility to hire equal-opportunity necessarily, but I think in general ALL people should make an effort to be a bit insightful, look into their own thoughts, and be fully aware and conscious of where their preferences come from, and really having a personal understanding about that in a way that you can make conscious notes of it when confronted by it at all, rather than just have gut reactions. As a last note though, I will admit that if a client were to contact me and for whatever reason feel the need to tell me that they 'aren't really attracted to X race' even when that's not at all relevant to our 1-on-1 conversation, which I've surprisingly had happen before, it wouldn't necessarily stop me from hiring that client, but it would significantly lower the amount I'm willing to chat and try to work with the client before confirming an actual booking. But that's largely just because on a personal level people with those sort of preferences bother me a fair amount, even if I'm fully aware that it's not conscious racism... if it weren't a client and someone in my personal life, I'd be much quicker to just cut off contact, but obviously part of this, at least for me, is being willing to work with clients a fair amount past what would normally make me just cut contact with someone. EDIT: some spelling/grammar

Forgive me but I looked at the initial question and didn't read through the 3 pages of responses since I just wanted to throw out a quick answer. Unless you're hiring someone in an area that's extremely racially divided and would make sense for clients to openly put it out on their ads that they don't have any qualms with race, I would definitely assume that a lack of mentioning race at all in their ad would signal that they have no qualms with race. I've actually never even thought about writing in my ad that I don't really care about a client's age or race or anything like that, because it's just not even something I think about in terms of potential clients. I can't speak for hiring, but if I ever hookup in my personal life, the idea of someone not being "attracted" to a certain race is a complete pass and turn-off for me, even though generally that isn't my race since I'm pretty white. I'll try not to start this up but I bet if I went through this and read everyone's comments I'd find this same observation pretty quickly. How many times do you really see guys with a "racial preference" that excludes white guys, as opposed to any other race...? I think most of the time when people have a "racial preference" it's not necessarily outright, angry cross-burning racism.. but it's certainly a level of like, subconscious, ingrained, institutionalized racism. To be completely honest when I was a young teenager, I used to think I didn't find black or hispanic men attractive at all, but still well before my 20s I started to wonder why I felt that way and let myself push that boundary a bit more, and I very quickly learned it wasn't at all a lack of attraction towards certain races, it was just weird institutionalized racism in my subconscious that without challenging it a bit, would barely let me even look at black or hispanic men in a physically attractive/sexual way. Once I realized that I challenged myself A LOT and got over it rreaalll quick because I'm personally not at all ok with living my life like that, and now I don't have any issues with finding any races unattractive because honestly no one really does, it's seriously an entirely socialized and institutionalized thing that sticks into the back of your head until you acknowledge it and ask yourself if you're really comfortable with having that preference or not. Also just as a quick end note I'll add in that I also have an aversion to, especially in porn, terms like 'BBC' or whatever. Like on the other end of having a 'racial preference', it's also totally ingrained, institutionalized racism to fetishize race. On some level, if a provider were to advertise themselves in a way that fetishized their own race, I could understand them doing it in the sense of the niche they want to fill and they image they want to project, but I still do think providers advertising themselves that way is kinda problematic... but it's part of a much, much larger problem and if someone advertises themselves as like "the asian sensation straight from the silk road" or whatever I think that's horrible but also it's not really solely that provider's responsibility to outwardly try to fix the problem if playing to it is something they actually want to do. TL; DR: I don't think people with racial preferences are necessarily full-blown racist, although some certainly are... they're just too comfortable with ignoring and not doing anything to challenge that 'preference' that they seem to have. EDIT: IF ANY of the random tagline things that I put in quotes and came up with on-the-fly are like taglines that anyone on this forum or any escort uses... I'M SO SORRY I PROMISE I'm not coming for ANYONE I was just coming up with a couple of dumb things on-the-fly to make a point. This is like the South Park disclaimer only unlike South Park I really was not at all trying to imitate or throw any shade.

One thing I know some clients do, and I actually think is kind of a smart approach to figuring this out, is to ask the escort if they're willing to bareback for you. If they say yes or even try to negotiate it, then you can probably assume they've done that with clients before. If they say no, then you have the answer you were hoping for. I've definitely been tested with that question by clients a few times. It doesn't bother me though because I also never bareback so it's not like that sort of question is something that puts me on my toes haha.

I guess that all makes sense haha. I guess I just need to figure out like, what places I would actually want to visit on my own that could also be very beneficial in terms of booking clients. I'll have to do some thinking about this lol. Thanks for the insight @Mocha !

I think if the provider could stay hard or quickly get hard again, even if they're ultimately unable to cum again, then it would probably be mostly ok. Otherwise that's definitely a situation where the provider should probably apologize and waive most of the fee, assuming the client was really only interested in bottoming the whole time. But you know, talk it out.. it might still turn into something that's a good session for both the client and provider, even with a mishap like that. Although I feel like this would be way less likely to happen than the original question posted.. imo good providers should be plenty experienced and have good control over this sort of thing.

If this was as much of an income source for me as I think it is for you.. (I promise I don't mean any shade at all I'm just guessing that based on the limited interactions I've had with you on here and obviously I fully support this as a viable career), then I'd definitely get pissed about that kind of thing happening too. That does make complete sense to me. I think it's really cool how people set up travel dates and even do like tours and such, don't get me wrong, it's just not the thing for me.. at least for the time being. I'm much more interested in like, finding enough of a work excuse to visit random places here and there, especially this summer since it's been killing me how little I've been outside of my own area lately. But I'd really hate to try and drum up business, and then decide it isn't worth it and cancel, because on a personal level it'd feel unprofessional to me. I PROMISE I'm not at all saying that others who use that tactic are unprofessional.. I just wouldn't be comfortable with canceling traveling dates like that. But I also can't think of any way to find that excuse without planning travel dates and then canceling if I decide there isn't enough interest to be worth it. So I'm kinda having difficulty figuring out how I'd want to go about planning and setting this sort of thing up haha.

To clarify, by "a good excuse to travel" I more or less mean that like, if I ended up getting enough bookings to break even or make a tiny profit after considering general travel expenses, e.g. flights, hotels, rental cars, food, etc... then that would give me a good enough excuse to go visit pretty much anywhere. I really enjoy exploring new places and like, if left to my own devices any travel plans I make would probably end up being relatively predictable in terms of like location/city.. but I do definitely love the idea of just visiting random places that I normally wouldn't really have a reason to visit, and spending a few days or a week there exploring. It's just hard to justify going out and doing that by myself without like some sort of reason to be there.