Another SESTA/FOSTA casualty

[+ MasssageGuy]

Craigslist solved the issue (at least for now) by shutting down all the personals, though ironically their "theraputic" section is still up and running, which could be a problem eventually. But I tend to wonder why BP didn't take a simil

 

The therapeutic section has been removed....

 

You gotta love the fact that the our dear leader hires and pays off prostitutes yet outlaws postings for the common folk.

[bostonman]

The therapeutic section has been removed....

 

Ah - you are right. I hadn't checked recently.

 

You gotta love the fact that the our dear leader hires and pays off prostitutes yet outlaws postings for the common folk.

 

To be brutally honest here, it's congress that we need to place the blame on. Yes, trump will most surely sign this, but we should know from past experience that he really doesn't ever fully understand what he signs. I imagine that he may know that this is an anti-trafficking law, but that he has no idea what else the law will affect.

 

Though yes, it is still horribly ironic.

[coriolis888]

As an added precaution Rentmen should enforce a new policy that requires ID to be shown if advertising on their site. That would show they are being proactive and could only help their position.

 

Rentmen already has that rule. However, any fake identification will work with rentmen because they do not confirm identification.

 

There are threads on this forum discussing the misleading belief that rentmen wants to convey in connection with "verifying" identification.

 

The verification is merely looking at any identification copied and attached and sent to rentmen by the person placing the ad. The identification can be fake or genuine but rentmen notes in the ad that identification was verified.

 

That half-ass way of verifying is worse than trying to clap with one hand.

Edited April 6, 2018 by coriolis888

[coriolis888]

 

You gotta love the fact that the our dear leader hires and pays off prostitutes yet outlaws postings for the common folk.

 

 

Yes, but the dear leader does not have to look in advertisements for his jollies.

 

Hypocrisy - galore -

[bostonman]

Yes, but the dear leader does not have to look in advertisements for his jollies.

 

Oh, I dunno...do we know exactly how he met Stormy?

[coriolis888]

As we know, this thread is titled "Another SESTA/FOSTA casualty."

 

I find it alarming (and disappointing) that another site was shuttered because of bigotry in our laws.

 

I noticed that no advance warning was given when various sites were shut down or severely limited with respect to posting anything in connection with escorts et cetera.

 

There is a lot of discussion about other sites being shuttered.

 

I want those whose posts I read and those who "liked" many of the things I posted here, to know that I truly found many interesting and helpful people on this forum.

 

If this site disappears, we have no way to contact other posters to express our appreciation.

 

We forum users are part of a unique group that brought together (and continues to bring) much entertainment and information about a certain hobby that many of us share.

 

This message is an advance "thank you" - - - - just in case.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

[+ tassojunior]

Backpage a 504

[BlakeBenz]

The therapeutic section has been removed....

 

You gotta love the fact that the our dear leader hires and pays off prostitutes yet outlaws postings for the common folk.

 

FYI spankchain is offering a $250,000 cash reward for any hard evidence of any politicians behind this bill engaging in escort services. They have promised to keep the identity of the provider anonymous and have a legal team assisting them with this.

[+ stevenkesslar]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/feds-seize-classified-ad-site-backpage-com-over-sex-trafficking-ads/

 

That CBS piece says the federal charges will be "unsealed" later today.

 

I Googled it and could not find anything.

 

In order to seize assets they had to get a judge to approve a complaint, ala Rentboy, right?

[+ stevenkesslar]

That CBS piece says the federal charges will be "unsealed" later today.

 

I Googled it and could not find anything.

 

In order to seize assets they had to get a judge to approve a complaint, ala Rentboy, right?

 

 

Oops! Responding to my owned question, from the Wired article above:

 

Nicole Navas Oxman, a spokesperson for the Department of Justice, said Friday afternoon that the agency would issue a press release after charges are unsealed, but things did not go as expected. "The Court has ruled that the case remains sealed and we have nothing to report today," she wrote in an email Friday evening.

 

https://www.wired.com/story/feds-seize-backpagecom-site-linked-to-sex-trafficking/

[Walker1]

It looks like Justice dept and attorney generals from CA and TX co-operated on this. Great this is what brings CA and TX together. Thugs all of them.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/sex-ads-website-backpage-shut-down-u-authorities-003228741.html

 

Some congresswoman called Heidi Heitkamp celebrates the shutdown of backpage and is confident the orange one will sign the bill. Yeah she is democrat.

 

I have just about had it with dems-if a Repub senator from KY can vote against this bill-Kamala Harris and this heitkamp can vote against. Oh right harris started the action against backpage and Obama against Rentboy.

[coriolis888]

It looks like Justice dept and attorney generals from CA and TX co-operated on this. Great this is what brings CA and TX together. Thugs all of them.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/sex-ads-website-backpage-shut-down-u-authorities-003228741.html

 

Some congresswoman called Heidi Heitkamp celebrates the shutdown of backpage and is confident the orange one will sign the bill. Yeah she is democrat.

 

I have just about had it with dems-if a Repub senator from KY can vote against this bill-Kamala Harris and this Heitkamp can vote against. Oh right Harris started the action against backpage and Obama against Rentboy.

 

 

The article you cited quoted a U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp as saying "Today, Backpage was shutdown. It's a huge step. Now no child will be sold for sex through this website"

 

What was that woman senator smoking or is she just out of her mind? I have read backpage, craigslist, rentmen and similar type ads for years. I have never ever seen a child for sale for sex or for any other reason. Therefore, to close a website then falsely claim it was promoting child sex is more than false and misleading. It is just a big fat lie.

 

The sad part of the closure is it was closed for a false reason and people in authority continue with false accusations.

 

Does anyone wonder why?

[Populist Fury]

God, I really hate Heitkamp, always have since day 1! Democrats can eat shit if they think I'm ever going to support awful oppressive lunatics like her just because there's a (D) next to their name.

 

People need to stop voting based on the letter next to someone's name & start electing civil libertarians, they are the only ones sane enough to not violate our rights using lies about child sex for their own political gain.

[+ tassojunior]

The title of the thread is probably misleading. This was done under existing law not SESTA. That bill was held until 4/5 by Congress and just sent to Trump for signing. Evidently they wanted to plan a grand signing ceremony.

 

The norm now has become to treat escorting and child sex trafficking as the same thing. SESTA does that and the ad from the NYPD does that. Now Backpage too. The logical extension of this will be to treat porn also as child sex trafficking because some sex trafficking is to film "victims" in porn. Plus porn is basically paying someone to have sex. And what of bars that have "private dance areas" where people are paid to have sex. Certainly promoting them on the internet would be a crime. Maybe just their existence.

 

Who knows how far this slippery slope will go. What we're seeing now is just the result of the crackdown on sex and even nudity that Google, Instagram and Facebook have been doing for months. It's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

The US government, both the executive and Congress, has been bristling at what they see as an internet full of criticism of the government over which the government in the US has very little control. Government means to assert it's control over the internet in a very mean and harsh way.

[+ Gar1eth]

Yup, especially when 15 out of the 27 members of Congress that voted against the bill were Republicans, only 12 were Democrats. Both corrupt parties are equally guilty of allowing hysteria determine how they'd vote on this...

 

I’m not sure it’s hysteria so much as now that the subject has come up, it’s a way for individuals in both parties to show their support for decency and morals. It will play well in their home districts. While if they had voted no-whatever their actual feelings are, it would be easy for someone to attack them for it at reelection time.

 

 

Gman

Edited April 7, 2018 by Gar1eth

[MrMattBig]

I’m not sure it’s hysteria so much as now that the subject has come up, it’s a way for individuals in both parties to show their support for decency and morals. It will play well in their home districts. While if they had voted no-whatever their actual feelings are, it would be easy for someone to attack them for it at reelection time.

 

 

Gman

 

This is actually a very valid point.

Politicians across the board probably considered the better PR move, rather than make an actual informed vote. As an escort, image is crucial, and for government officials it is no exception.

That's extremely worrisome, isn't the government supposed to be by the people, for the people, rather than look at what looks good for reelection?

 

How the news outlets are covering this is worrisome as well. They are completely make it seem that it's just about sex trafficking, and it's law enforcement that is telling news outlets this in such a way. With Trump blasting fake news all the time, it's hard to see that sometimes information is beyond just simply real or fake.

News is always has the potential to be biased, incomplete, or not 100 percent true. I have actually witnessed this first hand. There was a police involved shooting over a domestic dispute at the local courthouse where I used to live a few years back. The guy had a knife and the police shot and killed him. What the news reported is that the knife welding man was rushed to the hospital and died there, what actually happened is that they shot him and he died right where they shot him outside the courthouse.

Only one ambulance came for the domestic voilence victim for knife wounds, and when I made my way out, I could see his body on the ground, and stood on site for 30-45 minutes after trying to see if I could get my car out from the police baracade, and they never rushed the attacker to the hospital.

 

Always consider what someone else says or does even reporters, as possibly flawed.

Once this bill was born, possibly as a political PR move or personal vendetta, it was always going to pass. Like Gman said, who would vote against stopping sex trafficking?

[LaffingBear]

Its interesting to me that no one is mentioning Seeking Arrangements.

 

One could argue that Rentmen, Rentmasseur, Craigs, etc had advertisers that didnt offer sex or meet the definition of prostitution .

 

There's the whole array of expectations on Seeking Arrangements, and surely some arrangements include sex.

 

Perhaps its because a one hour or overnight fuck for cash is called prostitution, but a longer term arrangement is called "how Donald gets women."

[+ José Soplanucas]

Its interesting to me that no one is mentioning Seeking Arrangements.

 

One could argue that Rentmen, Rentmasseur, Craigs, etc had advertisers that didnt offer sex or meet the definition of prostitution .

 

There's the whole array of expectations on Seeking Arrangements, and surely some arrangements include sex.

 

Perhaps its because a one hour or overnight fuck for cash is called prostitution, but a longer term arrangement is called "how Donald gets women."

 

Perhaps it has to do with then not being a big player in the market? I do not really know their numbers.

[+ freecahill1965]

Its interesting to me that no one is mentioning Seeking Arrangements.

 

One could argue that Rentmen, Rentmasseur, Craigs, etc had advertisers that didnt offer sex or meet the definition of prostitution .

 

There's the whole array of expectations on Seeking Arrangements, and surely some arrangements include sex.

 

Perhaps its because a one hour or overnight fuck for cash is called prostitution, but a longer term arrangement is called "how Donald gets women."

If RM was blocked why can't escorts move over to that platform. It is very similar to rentmen. States what they are into etc.

[LaffingBear]

Perhaps it has to do with then not being a big player in the market? I do not really know their numbers.

I meant here. No Forum users mentioned/speculated about SA.

 

I would never bother seeking an explanation for what government does. Thats clearly about re-election, satisfying lobbyists/donors, and attention, for politicians -- and demonstrating power or some convoluted crime-prevention through fear strategy for law enforcement.

[LaffingBear]

If RM was blocked why can't escorts move over to that platform. It is very similar to rentmen. States what they are into etc.

Clients must pay to connect on SA. I doubt SA can promise rentguys anywhere near the volume compared to RM.

[+ freecahill1965]

Clients must pay to connect on SA. I doubt SA can promise rentguys anywhere near the volume compared to RM.

This is true but if RM is blocked somehow it might be an alternative.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I meant here. No Forum users mentioned/speculated about SA.

 

I would never bother seeking an explanation for what government does. Thats clearly about re-election, satisfying lobbyists/donors, and attention, for politicians -- and demonstrating power or some convoluted crime-prevention through fear strategy for law enforcement.

 

Anyways my comment applies. I think that SA is a marginal niche even in our subculture. I did not remember them until you mentioned it, and I have used them for a couple of months.

Edited April 8, 2018 by latbear4blk