Differing relations with Black escorts?

[Mocha]

Well now that you’ve provided ALL THESE RECEIPTS, how could I not believe you? Lol, @Mocha, log the fuck out friend.

 

1st off, I'm not your friend.

2nd of all, don't tell me to log off.

3rd of all, yes I do have receipts, and what??

4th of all, you don't need to believe me

5th of all, go use that F word on yourself

[Nvr2Thick]

The other thing I feel, is that more White guys seem to treat us disposable. It's to the point that in my personal life, I've become better accustomed to moving on, and not being surprised when a White guy flakes and disappear and never respond to texts, then see him at the club the next day. But nowadays, it happens more suddenly and more frequently. I generally date more varied, but some of this behavior is moving down to other races too as acceptable.

 

It took me until I turned 30; and a uncountable number of experiences, that majority of White guys I come across are going to put on a facade, when it comes to interactions. I look back and feel so foolish for trying to make things work with some of them. I've finally got it. But I don't necessarily understand it. I believe White guys were brought up to be as non-confrontational as possible. That makes them generally friendly and sociable to be around, and less likely to have any problems with in public (though that doesn't apply to all..in fact all thru grade school, the White boys were usually always the ones starting shit with me for no reason). But, when it comes down to getting to know them...they use that same fake, phony, artificial attitude when they want to plan an exit.

 

I think what taught me best, the white guys in Nashville. One was so fake, we went on 2 seemingly decent good dates, then he never texted me again. After that, I seen him at various parties around town about 2-3 times, and he always made it seem like we were all cool and that he'd hit me up again. Never did.

 

What you're describing as whites flaking on blacks or treating blacks as disposable is true of the gay dating scene in general. It has been for decades. Young gay men can be very fickle and often play the field. The blurred lines between relationships, casual sex, and anonymous hookups make gay dating a minefield for everyone. I've known black and white gay men who date within their race, exclusively across race, or who make no distinctions -- and the same games are played. Young gay men dispose of boyfriends, they flake on guys with whom they had some apparent closeness, and they keep their options open.

Edited March 22, 2018 by Nvr2Thick

[MikeBiDude]

No mystery as to why you have a shortage of clients.

Certainly not recruiting self respecting clients from this forum who reads @Mocha ’s posts?

[Mocha]

Certainly not recruiting self respecting clients from this forum who reads @Mocha ’s posts?

 

You're the one always reading though. Your always have ish to say. Just come with something relevant next time, instead of trying to play tag team for someone who I already dismissed.

 

What you're describing as whites flaking on blacks or treating blacks as disposable is true of the gay dating scene in general. It has been for decades. Young gay men can be very fickle and often play the field. The blurred lines between relationships, casual sex, and anonymous hookups make gay dating a minefield for everyone. I've known black and white gay men who date within their race, exclusively across race, or who make no distinctions -- and the same games are played. Young gay men dispose of boyfriends, they flake on guys with whom they had some apparent closeness, and they keep their options open.

 

I absolutely agree. It goes both ways. We all play games. Its part of the courtship ritual. But some people just don't know when to stop.

 

To reiterate, I'm definitely not insinuating "all" fall under this category. It's hard to discuss, without thinking some are going to feel blamed or shamed. However, I can't help but feel that it seems to be more common from the White guys. I'm just not going to pretend like it doesn't exist. It needs to be fixed.

 

For example, there's a White guy I had known from another forum for years. He knew I was an escort. He reached out to me last year when I was in Phoenix. Can you believe this nut: after toying around with meeting for a couple weeks, saying he wanted me to fuck him and do this and that and everything else, sending me pics etc. It turned out all the while, he was playing a huge prank. He flaked, then started sending me old pictures from my escort ads that I don't even have anymore, saying he never wanted to meet me anyway, saying derogatory things...eventually I had to block his ass. I almost reached out to his family on Facebook and outed him for harassing me. But I felt sad for the guy. Only a White guy could have pulled off that degree of fakeness.

 

I've had other guys do some equally petty moves. Which is why I said earlier, I really prefer not to deal with either one. If they're American, they are liable to flake at any moment. So despite gay guys being naturally flaky, there's a whole other level of it across the color lines. It's not a reason, excuse or suggestion to avoid such relationships. Just that we need to address it and work on ways to better it.

 

At the same time, like I said...I'm not really pushing for change right now. I've learned my lessons, and gotten better at recognizing that some groups of people, I just can't associate with.

[MikeBiDude]

You're the one always reading though. Your always have ish to say. Just come with something relevant next time, instead of trying to play tag team for someone who I already dismissed.

Oh no! I’ve been “diss”missed by @Mocha!

[rossthebosssf]

I believe Mocha is a good example of someone suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect.

[tenderloin]

"Only a White guy could have pulled off that degree of fakeness." - Mocha

 

Anyone who would post something like that needs to deeply within himself to try to understand how he reached the point where such fatuous generalizations could be entertained, much less posted publicly. I don't want to pick on you Mocha, but really, stop digging!

Edited March 24, 2018 by tenderloin

[SuperJunior]

Ok presumptive English teacher, I never mentioned I had a shortage in clients.

 

“Highly disappointing to be exact. Seems like every since March, things have slowed to a halt...”

[Mocha]

“Highly disappointing to be exact. Seems like every since March, things have slowed to a halt...”

 

Well one thing for sure, rosstheLoss can't claim the reason for a shortage of clients, is due to me calling him out on his shit. Any presumed shortage of clients would have had to happen BEFORE he called me out, which lead to me calling HIM out.

 

I probably should have mentioned this sudden drop happened to be in Florida, which from speaking to escorts over the years, is known for that. I'm sure once I get back to travelling it'll not be that way. That's why for a few months I wasn't here. Too busy to entertain the haters.

 

I'll be too busy again after this month is up.

Edited March 22, 2018 by Mocha

[Mocha]

Since, @rossthebosssf in nowhere to be found, time to play grammar cop:

 

"Only a White guy could have pulled off that degree of fakeness." - Mocha

 

Anyone (whom?) who would post something like that (insert comma) needs to deeply within himself to try to (try and) understand how he reached the point (run on sentence) where such fatuous generalizations could be entertained, much less posted publicly. I don't want to pick on your Mocha, but really, stop digging!

 

Okay, fair enough. At this point I've said what I needed to say. People can either accept it, learn and try to change...or deny it, and remain the same.

 

At this point, since it's the same critically LAME people responding and not contributing anything except rebuttles...I'm signing off. If anything intelligent is reposted, I'll like...but no comments.

[MiamiLooker]

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[+ oldNbusted]

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[Mocha]

I could have swore I seen someone; perhaps another escort...maybe @VictorPowers, chime in and say something about do I ever say anything positive. I was going to reply, soon after I got home from a meeting at the Hyatt Regency earlier tonight.

 

That said, I was going to say if you want positivity, lead by example. It’s easy to come on here, and talk some shit out one’s ass. There’s no shortage of that. But what does that do?

 

VP, you just posted about a client who short changed you. What’s positive about that? You tried to sugar coat it by saying y’all made up....but fact of the matter is, if he didn’t, your post would have been about how you got short changed, and why you should have counted the money before he left your sight. Which in turn, would have been negative in tone.

 

And why wait until AFTER I say I’m done with this conversation to tout positivity? That’s the kind of Fake personality I’m referring to. You didn’t chime in to say anything positive about me then, why suggest it now?

 

If you were interested in positivity, you would have said something like: “I think a Black escort would feel a difference in a place like Salt Lake City, because Utah is White as milk that’s low-fat, only like 2% Black. There may be a demand for you here. Please come back out to Salt Lake City, and I’ll introduce you to some wonderful White guys like myself. -Victor P”

 

But no, you hopped on the PHONY express route and sided with the rest of the naysayers here. The same ones, too small minded to discuss certain topics, without resorting to belittling tactics.

[Bearofdistinction]

 

Maybe it is a case of statistics -- Gays are arguably are 6% of the population (IRS/Census Data) gotta figure from that 6% there are at least some lesbians/bisexuals/transgendered folk so lets say 3% gay men because we love to INFLATE our numbers ----

 

The majority of the country is still Caucasian - 56-60%. So the inference is that say 60% of Gay men are Caucasian and want to have sex with similar men - that accounts for a limited market for African America escorts --- This is just my interpretation -- based on popularly discussed numbers

at this hour of the morning I am not doing major research

 

SO agree === Disagree --- I'm making Waffles and then going to back to bed!

[+ VictorPowers]

Mocha, that post was full of positivity as my client was beyond apologetic and fantastic! I surround myself with good people, and this guy was great so I shared it here. I'd never post a negative forum post. If I need to gripe, I do so privately.

[wklucas]

I could have swore I seen someone; perhaps another escort...maybe @VictorPowers, chime in and say something about do I ever say anything positive. I was going to reply, soon after I got home from a meeting at the Hyatt Regency earlier tonight.

 

That said, I was going to say if you want positivity, lead by example. It’s easy to come on here, and talk some shit out one’s ass. There’s no shortage of that. But what does that do?

 

VP, you just posted about a client who short changed you. What’s positive about that? You tried to sugar coat it by saying y’all made up....but fact of the matter is, if he didn’t, your post would have been about how you got short changed, and why you should have counted the money before he left your sight. Which in turn, would have been negative in tone.

 

And why wait until AFTER I say I’m done with this conversation to tout positivity? That’s the kind of Fake personality I’m referring to. You didn’t chime in to say anything positive about me then, why suggest it now?

 

If you were interested in positivity, you would have said something like: “I think a Black escort would feel a difference in a place like Salt Lake City, because Utah is White as milk that’s low-fat, only like 2% Black. There may be a demand for you here. Please come back out to Salt Lake City, and I’ll introduce you to some wonderful White guys like myself. -Victor P”

 

But no, you hopped on the PHONY express route and sided with the rest of the naysayers here. The same ones, too small minded to discuss certain topics, without resorting to belittling tactics.

 

 

the ONLY thing hot about you - (you're a) liar, liar pants on fire.....less than 10 hours ago you promised no more comments.....& oh yeah, when you criticize @tenderloin grammar by bringing up "rebuttles" - too funny.

[Walker1]

[Mocha]

Mocha, that post was full of positivity as my client was beyond apologetic and fantastic! I surround myself with good people, and this guy was great so I shared it here. I'd never post a negative forum post. If I need to gripe, I do so privately.

 

Okay and? You surround yourself with good people. Good for you. I never said the people I met weren't good people, just they happened to be ones who chose to misrepresent their intentions.

 

I don't even surround myself with people, good or bad, because I stick with my 1 or 2 FWBs, 2 or 3 friends in different states and clients (good people). When new people come along, I'm open. Some of them right in your neighborhood. 3-4 years ago, I used to go to Utah every couple months...It was always a win-win. However, even with that area, I had noticed things had changed (though partly due to the men4rent drop off).

 

You're choosing to perceive a post as negative. That's where the miscommunication is coming from.

 

the ONLY thing hot about you - (you're a) liar, liar pants on fire.....less than 10 hours ago you promised no more comments.....& oh yeah, when you criticize @tenderloin grammar by bringing up "rebuttles" - too funny.

 

I didn't promise anything...but if someone wants to chime in after I said I'm not having the conversation, then that means I have the option to go back, and address it.

[YoungAD]

Since, @rossthebosssf in nowhere to be found, time to play grammar cop:

 

 

 

Okay, fair enough. At this point I've said what I needed to say. People can either accept it, learn and try to change...or deny it, and remain the same.

 

At this point, since it's the same critically LAME people responding and not contributing anything except rebuttles...I'm signing off. If anything intelligent is reposted, I'll like...but no comments.

Your "corrections" are incorrect, half-wit.

[Mocha]

Maybe it is a case of statistics -- Gays are arguably are 6% of the population (IRS/Census Data) gotta figure from that 6% there are at least some lesbians/bisexuals/transgendered folk so lets say 3% gay men because we love to INFLATE our numbers ----

 

The majority of the country is still Caucasian - 56-60%. So the inference is that say 60% of Gay men are Caucasian and want to have sex with similar men - that accounts for a limited market for African America escorts --- This is just my interpretation -- based on popularly discussed numbers

at this hour of the morning I am not doing major research

 

SO agree === Disagree --- I'm making Waffles and then going to back to bed!

 

Makes perfect sense to me. When adding the fact of who makes up the majority in the (active/upscale) gay scene in many cities, the numbers just get blown completely out the water.

 

But like I said, people either get it or don't. Everytime I bring up these matters, people make me feel like I'm generalizing, then I start feeling like I'm generalizing. Then I have to look for things which may validate or discredit what I say, which makes me feel like I'm making shit up. There's enough of it that's obvious already, without me having to prove what I'm saying!

[Bearofdistinction]

Ok presumptive English teacher, I never mentioned I had a shortage in clients.

 

OKAY Kids --- I have been among the most outspoken against MOCHA's negative attitude --- It seems since the Holidays he is trying to embrace a more positive outlook --- So let us give him a chance to continue to turn towards the Bright Side of Life

 

[Mocha]

OKAY Kids --- I have been among the most outspoken against MOCHA's negative attitude --- It seems since the Holidays he is trying to embrace a more positive outlook --- So let us give him a chance to continue to turn towards the Bright Side of Life

 

Thankyou...that's what I've been telling everyone. I'm trying to stay that way, but some of these mofos out here, really fuck with my state of mind. That's why I sometimes I need people around who can relate to the things that go on.

[Irtwo]

Mocha, don't be mislead because 2 or 3 posters on here post something negative about you. I for one enjoy your posts, not only are they well-written, but I think they are very thought provoking and interesting. And look how many viewers you have on your thread -- this one has over 2,000! That should tell you that there are a lot of people who are interested in what you have to say.

[MikeBiDude]

And look how many viewers you have on your thread -- this one has over 2,000

Yup, people love watching train wrecks....

[Mocha]

Mocha, don't be mislead because 2 or 3 posters on here post something negative about you. I for one enjoy your posts, not only are they well-written, but I think they are very thought provoking and interesting. And look how many viewers you have on your thread -- this one has over 2,000! That should tell you that there are a lot of people who are interested in what you have to say.

 

Thank you very much! I always try to bring real life topics to the forefront. Everyone learns something.

 

Yup, people love watching train wrecks....

 

Wait, but whose avatar is that of a nearly capsized boat? Maybe YOU are the tragedy.

 

Edited March 27, 2018 by Mocha