S.Draker Notation in Reviews

[JT Brooklyn]

On 11/8/2005..S. Draker put a "Note" in his Reviews to the Effect:

 

My Time is Valuable..."Any" Cancellation will result in Full PAYMENT of the agreed upon fee!

 

Things Happen, Cancellations are part of the Biz.

This Attitude MAY Fly in Europe, but definitely NOT in NYC. Anyone have any comments on his Statement? I doubt he will be receiving, "Full Payment" for nothing also. :+

[KentuckyBoy]

I recently negotiated a time to meet with Steven in Atlanta. While Steven expedited my request promptly, he did allow me time and a reconfirmation to commit and commit I did. While I am not European, I am of European lineage and am also old fashioned. If I cancelled now, I would call to cancel and forward payment without his prompting as if we had enjoyed our appointed time together. I even realize that chances are that he could never find me if I did not pay him and that our paths may never cross again. However, I respect both Steven and his time and I believe that he respects me and my time. Such mutual respect not only makes us human but also makes for some great sex when we do meet!

[JT Brooklyn]

Hey it's a Big World. I guess we all Throw Money Away in different ways. Losing a Deposit is one thing, In most Purchases..

Looking at this from another perspective..

"Let the Cancellations Flow". The Working Guy only answered an email and got his $$ for nothing, that's what I call Charm! LOL :+

[woodlawn]

>My Time is Valuable..."Any" Cancellation will result in Full

>PAYMENT of the agreed upon fee!

 

If clients are advised of that condition up front and choose to accept it, I see nothing wrong with it.

 

And what does the client get if the escort cancels?

[Hamlet]

Steven must have been burned really badly recently to change his policy in this way. He’s one of the nicest escorts I’ve ever met. Hell, he’s one of the nicest PEOPLE I’ve ever met. Yet this new policy seems to me both unreasonable and unrealistic. “My time is valuable. Any cancellation will result in full payment of the upon agreed fee.” It makes no provision for unavoidable cancellations (deaths in the family, personal injury, illness), nor does it give a time frame for allowable cancellations – even if you cancel an appointment a month in advance it seems, according to his new policy, that he expects payment in full.

 

I detect a note of anger in the wording of his statement that is unlike anything I’ve experienced from Steven in person or anything I’ve ever seen him write in the Message Center. It’s really not like him. I wonder if he will calm down and qualify what he wrote. When you book time with traveling escorts you often book it many weeks in advance. Then something may come up, still a few weeks before your appointment. Any escort who expects me to cough up his full fee because I cancel an appointment two weeks before it is scheduled – and I know full well that a popular escort like Steven will have no trouble at all in filling that time slot – is never going to see either me or my money.

 

And I would echo Woodlawn on this one - what does the client get if the escort cancels? My time is valuable too. And so is my money.

[JT Brooklyn]

Apparently at least 1 or 2 hours of FREE J/O Time for the Cancelled Client.....

He should feel very good in knowing "Time is Valuable"!

OH.. we are not talking about the "Clients" time are we.. SORRY...:+

[BobbyThompson]

If a client cancels last-minute and would like to reschedule, I think it's fair that the escort request a portion of his fee from the cancelled appointment as well. Likewise, if an escort cancels he should be willing to lower his rate as well.

 

I think time is increasingly rare for everyone these days. I would hope that a client and escort would only make an appointment if they are sure that they can keep it.

[bigguyinpasadena]

>If a client cancels last-minute and would like to reschedule,

>I think it's fair that the escort request a portion of his fee

>from the cancelled appointment as well. Likewise, if an escort

>cancels he should be willing to lower his rate as well.

>

>I think time is increasingly rare for everyone these days. I

>would hope that a client and escort would only make an

>appointment if they are sure that they can keep it.

But Bobby-the definition of last minute is debatable.It has been brought up that 48 hours was considered last minute by one reviewer(that was nicely shot down by yours truly)and by others last minute is just that,cancelling at the time the appointment was supposed to happen or shortly after(after the appointed time is it a no-show(?) )

What do you think?

[bigguyinpasadena]

The client usually gets zip-or if he is very lucky an apology and explanation(which are pretty useless in this situation)and the chance to post a no show review here.

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO. Let's not forget the "Working Guy" Who books 2-3 Clients a day. There are quite a few. Some Workin Guy's.. recharge in an Hour easily, or just don't Shoot with every client!

A Cancellation to this type of guy, is just more NAP Time! But I am sure he would Luv to be Paid for "Time Alone" in his bed! LOL :+

[JT Brooklyn]

Two of the most Popular guys on this site, have Cancelled with me, One within 15 mins of the Sked Time and the Other 45 Mins before the sked Time. (Anybody wants names, I can supply them! LOL)

Neither ever said anything about a "Rate Reduction"....We resked time..

Their Attitude, like Mine is simply, Life Happens..That's It! Get Over It!

But those who want to deal with DIVA'S that's your Biz..:+

[Lankypeters]

Most doctors and dentists allow cancellations up until the day before the appointment, at which time they levy a fee. Theaters, on the other hand, say "No refunds/no exchanges." So which profession does escorting follow? Doctors do anal probes. Dentists use dental dams. People in theater screw all the time.

 

I suppose if PayPal payments are involved, refunds are a nuisance and probably inovlve fees.

 

Other than that .... a session with Steve is worth hanging on to.

 

 

Lankypeters

[woodlawn]

>The client usually gets zip-or if he is very lucky an apology

>and explanation(which are pretty useless in this situation)

 

Yes, that is true. I don't know what value a "rate reduction" has since many clients who have experienced an escort cancellation will simply choose not to call that escort again.

 

I have to wonder how Draker proposes to collect his cancellation fee in the event a client cancels. He can't sue, so what does he do? Keep sending nasty emails until the client pays up?

[VaHawk]

I have to agree with woodlawn on this one. Just how does he plan on collecting?

 

An escort can set any policy he wants and a client can accept or not. Personally, I wouldn't accept this policy nor would I front a deposit in advance for an overnight with an escort I've never met.

 

When are the clients going to get compensated for an escort cancellation, especially when hotel and/or airfare are involved, or the escort "just can't perform"? Probably when Satan needs ice skates to get around!

[Hamlet]

>I have to wonder how Draker proposes to collect his

>cancellation fee in the event a client cancels. He can't sue,

>so what does he do?

 

Yes, that's what I meant when I characterized his new policy as "unrealistic." I wonder if Steven will join this thread himself and maybe clarify exactly what his expectations are. Maybe he could explain exactly what has happened that has ticked him off so much. He's a very smart and classy guy. I can't believe that he means what he has written literally.

[JT Brooklyn]

Well after all is said and done, He will have to mention his "New Policy" to every Prospective Client also when they contact him.. And also place it in his Advertisements! Since very few guys are Clairvoyant about the immediate future, I doubt he will be gaining Many New ones, just by the "Attitude" this Policy Shows!

 

I find it strange that SOME of his Old Clients even find this Policy "agreeable".

 

IF it was the Norm, alot of guys would be "once again" working 53rd & 3rd AVE in NYC..for the Here and Now Cash on the Corner!LOL :+

[+ bigjoey]

some resturants now take reservations only with credit card information and will charge a no-show fee; people treat reversations so informally, many were forced to have this policy. alot of the escorts i know have "no show" clients (on incalls). if the guys doing the hiring start treating the escort reservations in this same manner, then the escorts need to have policies to protect themselves.

 

if stated up front, i have no problem with steven's policy. i have never had the pleasure of meeting him so my support is not based on knowing him, just my feeling on business in general.

 

how much time is given is to me a real factor and if the escort has the opportunity to resell the time so he has no loss. a cancellation a week in advance is one thing and a few hours another. we need to treat the men we hire with respect and dignity; they need to be treated as we would want to be treated and that means giving adequate notice.

[ted]

I'll go on the record and state the Steven is a very nice guy. I don't know what brought about this particular policy, but please remember than Steven is practically always travelling, and as such he has a pretty high overhead. He's probably laying out in the neighborhood of $300- $400 a day, cause he's usually at a pretty upscale hotel, gym fees, restaurants, not to mention transportation cost. Yes sometimes the client is paying the travel, but on a US tour like he is currently doing, he's laying out the $$ himself. I also suspect that most of his appointments are not 1 hour meetings so that a single cancellation can turn a day from profit to loss. I also suspect even a 24 hour notice of cancellation could be hard for him to rebook. I also know of several other escorts who ask for a cancellation fee-don't know if they get it. Bottom line is he sets his policy, and you don't like, don't book with him. If business drops significantly I expect the policy will change.

[VaHawk]

Sorry, but I disagree. Cancellations are part of the escort business, both on the escort and client sides, so ergo, a cost of doing business.

 

Not knocking Steven, as he seems like a genuinely nice, honest person with great reviews as an escort, but one 1 hr appointment at $300/hr covers the daily expenses for a traveling escort, especially since, in my experiences, most of them schedule multiple appointments per day, which is one of the many reasons that they fail to perform as promised. Client 1 of the day gets the full experience, but unfortunately client 4 of the day is left with the limp, nasty leftovers, but still expected to pay for the full price, as after all the client is only paying for the "time". :7

 

Not speaking for anyone but myself, but Hell would not only freeze over, it would be in an ice age for all eternity, before I forked over $300 to an escort for no interaction, just because I had to cancel, even if that cancellation came on the day of the scheduled appointment. This is especially valid, since one has to schedule an appointment with a travelling escort weeks in advance!

[Steven_Draker]

>Steven must have been burned really badly recently to change

>his policy in this way. He’s one of the nicest escorts I’ve

>ever met. Hell, he’s one of the nicest PEOPLE I’ve ever met.

 

 

Right, I've been burned twice recently and once it the past when I was left stranded with an airfare and a hotel bill to pay out of my pocket (make a search for "MscleLovr" in the MC). Two recent last-minute cancellations - one for an overnight and one for an evening appointment are the reason why I decided to put this note. It is true that I wrote it one night when I was really upset and I didn't elaborate it. Obviously, it covers only last-minute cancellations (less than 48 hours prior to the meeting). Regarding overnights, I would require a deposit from a first time client or if travel is required - the airfare will serve as a deposit.

 

To respond woodlawn's question- I cannot really oblige or force someone to pay my cancellation fee. If the person has decided not to - there is nothing in this world that would make this happen. Just go above and read KentuckyBoy's reply. This is the kind of people who are honest, responsible and thoughtful that I usually deal with.

 

I understand there are cases of "force majeure", death in the family, illness, etc. those are things that could happen and that's part of this world. But people who cancel last-minute twice in a row with no reason they show no respect to me as an escort and as a person - they are definitely put on a black list and I have no longer interest in meeting such people.

 

I think Bobby put it very clearly and I wouldn't be able say it better:

"I would hope that a client and escort would only make an appointment if they are sure that they can keep it."

 

Thanks for your time and I hope I made my note clearer.

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.hotsexystud.com/uk

[Guest]

I would advise escorts not to pay for airfare or hotels to somewhere they weren't going anyways. I don't believe clients should pay escort fees in advance, but they should put up any expenses the escort may have up-front. I would personally say that cancelling within 24h of the appointment is "last minute." That's the standard for most doctors' offices, at least. If a client cancels at the "last minute," I would advise the escort in that situation not to schedule another appointment unless the prospective client sends advance payment (perhaps the only situation in which I think advance payments are appropriate).

[uwsman2]

Steven's response makes sense - last-minute cancellations are quite an irritation, although even then, if there is an emergency situation and the client calls as soon as he can, I would think a cancellation could be excused. What if client is coming to Steven's location in a taxi and gets into an accident?

The biggest problem I have in scheduling meetings with traveling escorts is that having to do it in advance, you can't predict whether you will be in condition for such a meeting when the time comes. I have a review of Steven pending with Daddy of our recent session in New York, which was wonderful. Luckily, the cold I suddenly developed early the previous week had abated by the time the appointment came around. If it had not, I would have emailed Steven to cancel, not just out of concern for me but also for Steven and his other clients, since I would not want to spread my cold around!!

[Tommygunzz]

No--I'm sorry Steven's response makes no sense to me.

 

First, I would never pay an escort in advance. No way. Ever.

 

Second, I have had escorts cancel on me with short notice, and some who did not perform as I had requested, and all I'm left with is a bad situation and a lighter pocketbook. Has been mentioned before, but where is MY recourse? I'm the one paying for this "time together".

 

Finally, I've become a bit replused by Steven's zealous advertising on this site. "Travelling Escorts" was once a place where escorts could post their travel destinations. Once. Some, Steven included, have turned this section into a place to promote themselves and the cities they visit---not just once per city, but duplicated multiple times, with enormous pictures, and repeated self-aggrandziment of their service.

 

Though it's great to see a new face travel through my area, I am also aware that these "travellers" book way too many appointments to pay their per diem, and the result is reduced service at rates that often are not the norm. RE: "multiple hours" "overnites" etc.

 

Lastly, I have hired Steven 2x, but he is no longer worth the time/effort/risk of hiring again. IMHO.

[+ Lucky]

RE: The Best Laid Plans

 

Yes, Steven Draker canceled on me at the very last minute! Well, it wasn't for an escort session, but we were supposed to meet at the Wyndham Hotel pool during the White Party. Here I was standing in the lobby when he called to say he couldn't make it...he was still in Utah (I think it was Utah!)

 

I thought it was sweet of him to call.

[Steven_Draker]

Don't shoot me, Tommy ;-)

 

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>I've become a bit replused by Steven's zealous

>advertising on this site. "Travelling Escorts" was once a

>place where escorts could post their travel destinations.

 

Oh Dear,

Excuse me if I post in the Escort Travels section to advertise my services, but I thought that was the right place to do so.

I travel a lot and I place a single ad for each city I'm visiting.

 

>Some, Steven included, have turned this section into a

>place to promote themselves and the cities they visit---not

>just once per city, but duplicated multiple times

 

I'm asking you to show me where did you see that I posted more than one travel ad per city. I am against multiple travel postings for the same city in the Escort Travels section. So again, I'm challenging you to prove your statement.

 

Barry, the person who manages that section, can speak up (if he wishes).

 

>Though it's great to see a new face travel through my area, I

>am also aware that these "travellers" book way too many

>appointments to pay their per diem, and the result is reduced

>service at rates that often are not the norm.

 

You have no idea how many clients I see, what kind of appointments I have etc. - you're just speculating and talking "by heart". When I reread your review posted on this site you seemed a happy camper. I would suggest in the future if my travel postings bother you so much just don't open them and don't read them.

 

And finally get over it, Tommy.

 

Best regards,

Steven Draker ~