Scariest escorting experience....what's yours?

[caliguy]

Drugs is addiction and for weak minded people!

Do you consider Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weak minded? Jobs said doing acid was the most profound experiences of his life.

[MikeBiDude]

Do you consider Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weak minded? Jobs said doing acid was the most profound experiences of his life.

Yeah thanks for chiming in the @sexymonk comment drugs/addiction = "weak minded" really irritated me.....had to go calm down, lol

[marylander1940]

Doing drugs with escort is not good at all. If by any accident the client or escort dies during sex then either party is screwed up! The investigators will blew your mind by their questions and you may in their radar ! No no no. There are other things to do. Drugs is addiction and for weak minded people!

 

Doing drugs (illegal or abusing legal drugs) is not a good thing to at all times, with or without company.

[MikeBiDude]

Doing drugs (illegal or abusing legal drugs) is not a good thing to at all times, with or without company.

According to @sexymonk you have a "weak mind" if you do them?

[marylander1940]

Yeah thanks for chiming in the @sexymonk comment drugs/addiction = "weak minded" really irritated me.....had to go calm down, lol

 

That used to be the Republican point of view about drug users when it was perceived as a ghetto-barrio problem. Now that meth is the main industry of the poorest, most republican and whites counties of the nation obviously those folks became victims, the left behind.

[marylander1940]

According to @sexymonk you have a "weak mind" if you do them?

 

I think he @sexymonk misspoke when he said that. We all have things we want to hide or escape from them. Some folks unfortunately fall into doing drugs because of painkiller abuse or personal circumstances, others become alcoholics or engage into: domestic violence, racism, xenophobia, compulsive gambling, eating disorders, religious fanaticism, hoarding, animal abuse, etc.

 

Weak minded is not a way to describe this issue in the 80's or now when it has taken over Appalachia. I remember a time when we gay men were afraid of being hospitalized in a mental institution because of practicing the "German vice".

 

Obviously doing drugs (legal or illegal) is more dangerous than most things, it affects the person, family, community, etc. but I don't think I have the authority or knowledge to judge what's less evil than others when it comes to a person's escape from reality which drugs usually are nor to call folks who get caught doing it "weak minded".

 

Some gay men are fully functional Monday to Friday 9 to 5, and they become teenagers during the weekend. Are they weak minded? Some of them are among the most productive members of our community.

 

Is hiring escorts instead of getting married to someone of our age weak minded?

 

Do you consider Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weak minded? Jobs said doing acid was the most profound experiences of his life.

 

Good point, when it comes to Jobs who was an exceptional individual, but about Gates I think his alleged Asperger's syndrome and the fact that he was born at time when he received help instead of just being called "difficult" had a lot to do with his spectacular success.

[marylander1940]

My scariest experience was back in 1980, when a person I had gone to college with and briefly dated just after college, decided to escort. This was a highly educated -- philosophy major at my college -- super nice guy and I couldn't understand the choice, especially given the new scare of "gay cancer." When I asked him about it, he told me he wanted a more exciting life, a la John Rechy the Sexual Outlaw. What I didn't realize is that he was in the throes of schizophrenia and probably knew it. There was a family history, and he had told us about a brilliant older brother who descended into it in his early 20s. So, my hunch is that he probably recognized his symptoms. He went on to dramatically deteriorate into wild conspiracy theories about me and several other old friends secretly meeting with "Xerox" to do various nefarious things. College friends and I would get glimpses of him in Chicago where we all lived, on the street or the El, from time to time, which often triggered angry confrontations, and he advertised as an escort in the local Chicago gay mag for awhile, then we all lost track of him. What scared me -- as well as what was profoundly saddening -- about the experience is that I was with someone so mentally ill that chose escorting as a part of his identity. Was he managing his disease in doing this, or avoiding it?

 

To this day, I am suspicious of ads from guys who are younger than 25 or so -- wondering if they really know why they do this, or whether this is a choice driven by some other powerful force, e.g. substance use, confusion/desperation about what to do with your life. Love it when i find a guy who has a clear goal, e.g. part-time work while in school, or proactively is doing this as a kind of off the grid career choice to further an interest like travel or personal freedom. When I don't have a clear sense of this, I do worry that my goals in hiring -- adventure, NSA break from routine -- are out of sync with my partner's, somehow contributing to someone's else's problem.

 

My two cents.

 

I wonder about that too. I remember seeing runaway kids in "Crime Square" (now Times Square) selling themselves, was that just an easy choice?

 

I also wonder about guys who are truly straight and get paid to have sex with gay men... Do they even enjoy it? Some like Marcus Allen turn into a love-hate relationship with the community that supports them.

[wklucas]

Do you consider Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weak minded? Jobs said doing acid was the most profound experiences of his life.

 

Not a scary experience but an irritating one - the time I arrived at 1 of my regular guy's place for our standing Saturday afternoon "date" a bit early.....& he told me that his weed dealer had not stopped by yet.....(among the irritations - we delayed getting naked while we waited)

[+ OliverSaks]

Obviously doing drugs (legal or illegal) is more dangerous than most things, it affects the person, family, community, etc. but I don't think I have the authority or knowledge to judge what's less evil than others when it comes to a person's escape from reality which drugs usually are nor to call folks who get caught doing it "weak minded".

Even this statement gets under my skin - I know you say "most things."

 

No one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana. Relatively way fewer people die from use of psychedelics than diet, and use of psychedelics is gaining mainstream traction in medicine. (Also rolling stone mag covers this in the Ed Sheeran cover issue)

 

Also, Michael Pollan:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment/amp

 

"THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO DIE FROM CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF FOUR JUMBO JETS CRASHING EVERY SINGLE HOUR, EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE YEAR."

"WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORT HAS CLASSIFIED BACON & SAUSAGE AS CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS" (class 1 - definite carcinogen, same class as smoking and asbestos)

Meat, dairy, and egg consumption kill far more people each year than drugs, even considering hard drugs and pharmaceutical misuse.

 

(http://www.whatthehealthfilm.com/facts/)

/veganpsychonaut rant

[marylander1940]

Even this statement gets under my skin - I know you say "most things."

 

No one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana. Relatively way fewer people die from use of psychedelics than diet, and use of psychedelics is gaining mainstream traction in medicine. (Also rolling stone mag covers this in the Ed Sheeran cover issue)

 

Also, Michael Pollan:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment/amp

 

"THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO DIE FROM CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF FOUR JUMBO JETS CRASHING EVERY SINGLE HOUR, EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE YEAR."

 

"WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION REPORT HAS CLASSIFIED BACON & SAUSAGE AS CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS" (class 1 - definite carcinogen, same class as smoking and asbestos)

 

Meat, dairy, and egg consumption kill far more people each year than drugs, even considering hard drugs and pharmaceutical misuse.

 

(http://www.whatthehealthfilm.com/facts/)

/veganpsychonaut rant

 

 

Read again I think you're barking at the wrong tree.

[caliguy]

Not a scary experience but an irritating one - the time I arrived at 1 of my regular guy's place for our standing Saturday afternoon "date" a bit early.....& he told me that his weed dealer had not stopped by yet.....(among the irritations - we delayed getting naked while we waited)

I sometimes like Pot for sex. However, I don't want that association cemented in where I can't perform without it. So I alternate in beer or wine.

[+ OliverSaks]

Read again I think you're barking at the wrong tree.

"Obviously doing drugs (legal or illegal) is more dangerous than most things, it affects the person, family, community"

 

Simply pointing out how baseless/ridiculous this claim is in the grand scheme of all things harmful and dangerous to our health (of communities / families / individuals)

[marylander1940]

"Obviously doing drugs (legal or illegal) is more dangerous than most things, it affects the person, family, community"

 

Simply pointing out how baseless/ridiculous this claim is in the grand scheme of all things harmful and dangerous to our health (of communities / families / individuals)

 

 

One more time you chose the wrong target... you keep barking at the wrong tree.

[+ OliverSaks]

One more time you chose the wrong target... you keep barking up the wrong tree.

 

I'm going to start wondering if we have something in common called dyslexia.

 

 

Read the other posts above mine. You're barking at the wrong tree

Even with the appropriate context, your statement is just not accurathe.

 

Someone calls drug users "weak minded" - you and others respond to this (thankfully - it is both scientifically unsound and judgmental) - you explain further, including the statement that I referenced in my posts above as being inaccurate - I'm on your side with respect to drugs, I do not have dyslexia, but I'm a scientist and you made a statement that is not accurate, even within the full context of the thread

 

Sorry for the derail

[TennDan99]

This thread has taken quite a turn. I don't agree that all drug users have weak minds or that all drug use is equal.

 

I do think it is evidence of poor judgment when clients that don't use drugs knowingly hire drug users. Just asking for trouble IMO. No one is hot enough to make up for that risk.

[marylander1940]

My scariest was also the first time I hired. He was a very highly regarded guy on RM with positive reviews there and here, great pics, and a charming personality on the phone. He hosted me at his place. My mistake was in not carefully watching when he poured my drink or got me a new beer. We had a couple to help me relax, which was at my request.

 

With hindsight and conversations with some of his other clients who PNPed with him, I now know he did drugs regularly and obviously lied to me about it since I was very clear I did not PNP and didn't want anything to do with it. I suspect he slipped me something to help me relax since it was my first time and I was nervous. I don't believe he did it to knock me out. Unfortunately, that's what happened. I blacked out just as we were getting started and didn't regain consciousness for about 7 hours. When I did, I was naked on the floor in the bathroom. I was dazed, confused, sore, and there was blood from my ass. He was in the other room and clearly agitated. We'd only booked for 2 hours and he was pissed that I'd wasted his night. I cleaned up, dressed, and noticed my phone was gone. I gave him enough cash to cover our session and the hours I was blacked out, but I was panicked about my missing phone. He wanted me out of his apartment immediately and was very clear that he didn't have my phone. I know he stole my phone based on what happened over the next few days while he tried to get more money from me. Fortunately, it was locked and encrypted so I told him to keep it and bought another one.

 

My lesson from this is simple: never accept a drink from a stranger unless you've carefully watched them make it and even then be wary. That includes a "fresh beer" with the top already removed. The escorts I've hired since have been very understanding of my caution.

 

Sounds like a date with Bill Cosby!

 

Please yinz who are way too politically correct don't be offended it was a joke and a reminded of a more important issue.

 

@LivingnLA you were lucky that's all that happened to you with that sociopath... if he is still around should review him and name him on here.

 

Up to you!

 

We all trust your opinion!

[marylander1940]

Even with the appropriate context, your statement is just not accurathe.

 

Someone calls drug users "weak minded" - you and others respond to this (thankfully - it is both scientifically unsound and judgmental) - you explain further, including the statement that I referenced in my posts above as being inaccurate - I'm on your side with respect to drugs, I do not have dyslexia, but I'm a scientist and you made a statement that is not accurate, even within the full context of the thread

 

Sorry for the derail

 

Go try to mount a pack attack at the guy who called them "weak minded", I didn't.

 

I'm out of this subject.

[Fyton]

I don't live in Dallas, I was there for a wedding party for a very good friend. A tall, sexy, black man approached me and we started talking. I don't recall who brought it up, but we started talking about how I'd like to try weed, again, after a 30-year hiatus. I was very much aware that it is very much stronger today. After perhaps 20 minutes, he suggested that we go to my hotel. He said that he'd bring some weed. I agreed that we could smoke it outside. It looked like a cigarillo. He said it was strong. Weary and forewarned I took one small puff. He declined. I immediately felt the effects and, particularly in view of his decision to decline, I drew in no more. We went straight to my room.

 

He asked to use the restroom and time stopped. It felt like he'd been in there 30 minutes. I could not justify the passage of time. I was about to talk through the door when he emerged smiley-faced and nonchalant. He was immediately hard and ready to enter me. As he did, he told me that he would soon be getting discernibly bigger. That's all I remember clearly. I could not stay focused. I believe that at one point I lost consciousness. When it was finally over, at a bout 2 p.m. in the afternoon, I fell asleep until 9:00 a.m. the next morning. I was still high. Too high to leave my room. I skipped the wedding. I spent an extra night at the hotel. I had nightmares that woke me up and kept me up the rest of the night each of the following 6 nights.

 

My friend has no recollection of inviting or seeing any black guy. Yikes.

[sexymonk]

Yeah thanks for chiming in the @sexymonk comment drugs/addiction = "weak minded" really irritated me.....had to go calm down, lol

My point was that why we need to do drugs when there are other sources to indulge in like having good sex, meeting friends, eating good food with them, sharing good moments but in full conscious state, making our bonds stronger with each other that we don't require drug to depend on ! We know that how couples taking drugs have acted on road with toddlers in the back seat or dying in home without thinking about children , relationship ! If drugs were good then companies wouldn't have asked for drug test for jobs! A medical drug solely for medical reason and pain recovery timeline is different story! Healthy body don't need drug unless we want due to our volition !

[sexymonk]

"Obviously doing drugs (legal or illegal) is more dangerous than most things, it affects the person, family, community"

 

Simply pointing out how baseless/ridiculous this claim is in the grand scheme of all things harmful and dangerous to our health (of communities / families / individuals)

I totally agree with you!

[+ Keith30309]

He asked to use the restroom and time stopped. It felt like he'd been in there 30 minutes. I could not justify the passage of time. I was about to talk through the door when he emerged smiley-faced and nonchalant. He was immediately hard and ready to enter me. As he did, he told me that he would soon be getting discernibly bigger. That's all I remember clearly. I could not stay focused. I believe that at one point I lost consciousness. When it was finally over, at a bout 2 p.m. in the afternoon, I fell asleep until 9:00 a.m. the next morning. I was still high. Too high to leave my room. I skipped the wedding. I spent an extra night at the hotel. I had nightmares that woke me up and kept me up the rest of the night each of the following 6 nights.

 

My friend has no recollection of inviting or seeing any black guy. Yikes.

 

Whoa! What was it ? Any idea?

Over time I've tried pretty much everything that doesn't require a needle and had some bad experiences but nothing this serious.

 

I've never had a scary escort experience experience. Maybe the bad guys are turned away by my stringent "cuddle requirement".

[handiacefailure]

I've had no bad experiences with escorts as far as getting stolen from it feeling in danger. Worst experiences I've had are when escorts tell me they are into Fetishes I like and turns out they aren't or they are awful in bed, etc. I had an experience once with a hookup in NYC at a bar where he came back to my hotel room and then didn't get sexual and said he had to leave after I came back from the bathroom and I found out a couple hours later that he took he cash I had in my wallet. Fortunately it was only 125 and he didn't take

My credit cards (I reported. Them stolen just to be safe and I always keep a credit card and

My passport in my computer bag in case my wallet is lost or stolen) and he stole some minis from the mini bar. Now my wallet goes in the hotel safe and I only carry a credit card and small amount of cash in my front pocket cost And make sure to tell the hotel the

Mini bar is to get emptied or locked

[LivingnLA]

Sounds like a date with Bill Cosby!

 

Please yinz who are way too politically correct don't be offended it was a joke and a reminded of a more important issue.

 

@LivingnLA you were lucky that's all that happened to you with that sociopath... if he is still around should review him and name him on here.

 

Up to you!

 

We all trust your opinion!

 

I described my experience in my very first post and had discussions with many forum members privately. As far as I know, the escort in question is currently in jail or prison. His old RM is deleted too. I didn't write a full review because I cannot risk him retaliating, though I doubt he remembers me. Regardless, I've heard from other forum members who describe his temper as quite severe and he's more than willing to get physical when angry. Again, I believe he's locked up right now.

[marylander1940]

I described my experience in my very first post and had discussions with many forum members privately. As far as I know, the escort in question is currently in jail or prison. His old RM is deleted too. I didn't write a full review because I cannot risk him retaliating, though I doubt he remembers me. Regardless, I've heard from other forum members who describe his temper as quite severe and he's more than willing to get physical when angry. Again, I believe he's locked up right now.

 

good point!

 

In your case (as a frequent review writer that I'm) I would have written a review to permanently warn others about him but without being so specific about the details. Let's face it... you weren't the first guy he roofied and neither the last.

[marylander1940]

I totally agree with you!

 

actually you agree with me, not with him... LOL

 

Read again;)