Caution to escorts and other crossing Canadian border into the U.S.

[+ glutes]

I know Rod, it is an arduous task. But my G650 and beauuuuutiful crew keep me quite satisfied.

Imagine being a rentboy flying 250k/year, commercial? Hopping from client to airplane, client to airplane, client to client to Coach?

Envision flying steerage for 8 hours, then having to be strapped into a sling?

[escortrod]

I know Rod, it is an arduous task. But my G650 and beauuuuutiful crew keep me quite satisfied.

Imagine be a rentboy flying 250k/year, commercial? Hopping from client to airplane, client to airplane.

Envision flying Coach for 8 hours, then having to be strapped into a sling?

Thankfully coach isn't the only option on commercial airlines. Plus their crews are generally chosen primarily for competence, with beauty being a secondary concern.

[bigvalboy]

I used to fly private also...but that was before the downturn, and I had to sorta downsize.

 

 

We tried to fit the stripper pole into the new ride, but alas, it just wouldn't fit.

[escortrod]

I used to fly private also...but that was before the downturn, and I had to sorta downsize.

 

 

We tried to fit the stripper pole into the new ride, but alas, it just wouldn't fit.

You could fix it atop the aircraft!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/08/article-2358159-1AB61E10000005DC-469_964x643.jpg

[rossthebosssf]

Scary world we live in. I usually wipe my phone when I travel outside the country and only reinstall my address book and primary email addresses. Though I haven't been pulled for secondary screening since 2001, I'd rather give them less to chomp on should a situation to occur.

[rossthebosssf]

Another recommendation I have is purchase a photo vault for your phone. I keep all questionable photos that I send and receive in that. Without a PIN, no one can access it. If you have it backed up to your computer or cloud, you can delete it and download it back to your phone when you get home.

[+ glutes]

"Show me your papers" -- just like the Gestapo. Another reason I fly my Gulfstream, international or domestic.

 

Customs agents caused a flap at Kennedy Airport late Wednesday with a surprise checkpoint at the exit door of a domestic flight from San Francisco.

 

Passengers on Delta Flight 1583 were asked to show their IDs to armed U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents as they stepped off the aircraft onto the jet bridge, according to passengers who snapped photos and posted them online.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/customs-agents-check-ids-domestic-flight-passengers-jfk-article-1.2980673

[+ quoththeraven]

Quoting the Fourth Amendment standing on your front porch is one thing, but you have to remember you are entering a foreign country, so stand on your principles all you want, if it makes you feel better, but just know, by doing that to someone entrusted in protecting their country, it could easily end up getting you detained or worse, sent home on the next flight. Standing on principle at YUL got my friend a free flight back to LAX compliments of the Canadian Government. Ruined his vacation. And I remember decades ago when I landed at BKK for the first time, my friend turned to me and said, "Remember girlfriend, you're not in Kansas anymore, these people don't care who you are, and they don't care that you have your lawyer on speed dial"...I started laughing, and he said, "I'm serious." That became the template for my attitude about travel. Forty plus years later, there have been a few issues, but they are few and far between. If I could give one piece of advice when traveling, it would be..."Leave the attitude at home, and be conciliatory, and cooperate with those in authority." The delay is often only minutes, and you can quickly go on with your life.

 

@coriolis888 makes good points in his post.

 

I thought he was talking about refusing a search on the way back into the US. I could be wrong - the intersection of immigration law and constitutional procedure is confusing - but it's my understanding that the 4th Amendment applies then, though it wouldn't to a foreign national seeking entry to the US.

 

I find the abuse of authority obnoxious. No, I don't expect everyone to say no to a search, but most of them don't realize they can because CPB is under no obligation to tell them. Yes, it could affect Global Entry because there's no constitutional right to expedited entry.

[+ quoththeraven]

"Show me your papers" -- just like the Gestapo. Another reason I fly my Gulfstream, international or domestic.

 

Customs agents caused a flap at Kennedy Airport late Wednesday with a surprise checkpoint at the exit door of a domestic flight from San Francisco.

 

Passengers on Delta Flight 1583 were asked to show their IDs to armed U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents as they stepped off the aircraft onto the jet bridge, according to passengers who snapped photos and posted them online.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/customs-agents-check-ids-domestic-flight-passengers-jfk-article-1.2980673

That was completely ridiculous.

[Mocha]

Every time I read something like this, I just think: I TOLD YOU SO. Y'allz didn't believe me 5 years ago.

 

I experienced the same thing crossing into Canada a few years ago. Both Canada and the U.S. will detain you and look thru your information. I was mocked and Scoffed at by members of this forum. But then when it happens to somebody else, you see it wasn't just some folly of my own. This is real shit that is actually happening.

 

Fortunently, any gay information obtained during a detainment is generally not used against you at any point down the line...Provided you don't travel back. I actually was going to Canada to escort and was scared shitless for months thinking the information they obtained would lead to an easy arrest. Even after them saying I was denied due to "going to commit a crime".

 

That's why when people say how bad Trump is for securing borders, fucking try to get into Canada. They've been barring and deporting people for years. The way Trump is handling foreigners is nothing new. Canada and U.S. are partners in crime in fucking up your travel plans if you try to enter.

 

By the way...I notice the story in the OP is from Vancouver with a Latin name. Don't we have a member here whom is from Vancouver with a Latin name also? Who also has a boyfriend? Is that the same person???

[LookingAround]

"Show me your papers" -- just like the Gestapo. Another reason I fly my Gulfstream, international or domestic.

 

Customs agents caused a flap at Kennedy Airport late Wednesday with a surprise checkpoint at the exit door of a domestic flight from San Francisco.

 

Passengers on Delta Flight 1583 were asked to show their IDs to armed U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents as they stepped off the aircraft onto the jet bridge, according to passengers who snapped photos and posted them online.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/customs-agents-check-ids-domestic-flight-passengers-jfk-article-1.2980673

 

If anyone really does have a Gulfstream I'm sure you know TSA can meet your plane in the USA if they want and internationally you still have to clear CPB. Money doesn't get you past immigration; sorry.

[+ glutes]

Darlings, this is why God created wonderful FBO's.

[+ quoththeraven]

More about CPB and the fourth amendment:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/papers-please/517887/?utm_source=fbb

 

Note: this about a domestic flight originating in San Francisco and ending at JFK, not one originating outside the US, but ICE and CBP take the position that they can conduct border searches within 100 miles of the border. An international airport like JFK counts as a border.

 

After days of research, I can find no legal authority for ICE or CBP to require passengers to show identification on an entirely domestic fight. The ICE authorizing statute, 8 U.S.C. § 1357, provides that agents can conduct warrantless searches of “any person seeking admission to the United States”—if, that is, the officer has “reasonable cause to suspect” that the individual searched may be deportable. CBP’s statute, 19 U.S.C. § 1467, grants search authority “whenever a vessel from a foreign port or place or from a port or place in any Territory or possession of the United States arrives at a port or place in the United States.” CBP regulations, set out at 19 C.F.R. § 162.6, allow agents to search “persons, baggage, and merchandise arriving in the Customs territory of the United States from places outside thereof.”

 

I asked two experts whether I had missed some general exception to the Fourth Amendment for passengers on a domestic flight. After all, passengers on flights entering the U.S. from other countries can expect to be asked for ID, and even searched. Barry Friedman, the Jacob D. Fuchsberg professor of law and affiliated professor of politics at New York University, is the author of Unwarranted: Policing Without Permission, a new book-length study of intrusive police investigation and search practices. “Is this remotely constitutional?” he asked. “I think it isn’t. We all know generally the government can’t come up and demand to see identification.” Officers need to have statutory authority to search and reasonable suspicion that the person to be searched has violated the law, he said. Andre Segura, senior staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union’s Immigrants’ Rights Project, told me that “I’m not aware of any aviation exception” for domestic passengers.

 

An ID check is a “search” under the law. Passengers on the JFK flight were not “seeking admission”—the flight originated in the U.S. CBP officials told the public after the fact that they were looking for a specific individual believed to be on board. A search for a specific individual cannot include every person on a plane, regardless of sex, race, and age. That is a general paper check of the kind familiar to anyone who has traveled in an authoritarian country. As Segura told me, “We do not live in a ‘show me your papers’ society.”

If the administration gets its way on an immigration crackdown, including any revamped Executive Order barring immigrants based on nationality, we will in fact wind up a "show me your papers" society, and the "show me your papers" will be applied in a discriminatory and arbitrary manner.

[+ Gar1eth]

 

The Canadian authorities are just as strict, perhaps even more so, as the US. There's several threads here of just what utter assholes the Canadian border agents are in their treatment of foreign arrivals. From personal experience I'd say the Canadians are the rudest customs officers I've ever encountered in all my international travels.

 

I've heard about this before-possibly from the Forum here. It's interesting as aren't Canadians, stereotypically at least, supposed to be incredibly polite (at least as compared to us gauche Americans (yes, I realize Canadians and Mexicans are Americans too. But I'm using the common definition of American as used south of the Canadian border and north of the Mexican one)? Is it possible that the comparatively few impolite Canadians are funneled into jobs with the CBP?

 

Gman

[+ ArVaGuy]

I've heard about this before-possibly from the Forum here. It's interesting as aren't Canadians, stereotypically at least, supposed to be incredibly polite (at least as compared to us gauche Americans (yes, I realize Canadians and Mexicans are Americans too. But I'm using the common definition of American as used south of the Canadian border and north of the Mexican one)? Is it possible that the comparatively few impolite Canadians are funneled into jobs with the CBP?

 

Gman

 

My best friend is Canadian. I've known him over 20 years and have met a lot of other Canadians through him as well. I've also traveled to a number of cities in Canada.

 

Canadians are basically Passive Aggressive. That "polite" demeanor is a facade. I lost count of the number of times I've heard the virtues of Canada extolled by my friend and his fellow citizens. From healthcare to multiculturalism, I've heard it all ad nauseum. When I ask them, "if the US is so horrible compared to Canada, why are you living here?" they usually shut up and go sulk in a corner.

[+ sniper]

For those of you who say you'd call your lawyer while they're getting the warrant to search your phone...how exactly do you do that when they HAVE your phone, and you? A UK-citizen friend got detained while traveling with his American wife(I forget exactly what it was, he had forgotten some piece of paper and just had a digital image of it) - and he was whisked away to sit in an empty room for five hours with no ability to contact the outside world.