Escorts and HIV

[youngster]

One thing happened to me recently made me to think more... I contacted one very well known escort and porn performer who is currently visiting my town. We f*ed with him about 2 years ago but I now have new phone number so he didn't recognize me. Very soon he texted me: "I'm pos, undetectable, is it a deal breaker?" I answered: "Wait... Was you already pos 2 years ago?". He answered: "yes. Why?". F***ck! I don't meet so many hot escorts because I def know they are HIV pos. But that guy was also pos and I didn't know that! And his escorting partner he travels with is pos too! Do really neg escorts still exist in nature??? Probably not:((( now I'm thinking that the less hardcore stuff you do with escorts the better for your health and future. Of course you will now tell me "magic words": truvada, condoms... Of course I do condoms all the time, but... You know. As for truvada: stop believing in fairytales. Everyone sane knows : prep story is very controversial, even NY Times wrote about that for you. Do not believe one extremely active porn maker and truvada ambassador whose nickname name is "Duck-face", that pos escort I've told you about even works for that porn maker. I'm almost sure "Duckface" is poz himself...

Your thoughts, guys???

[loverboy95]

You can never know if someone is telling the truth. That is the reason to take the necessary precautions and be safe.

[escortrod]

A guy who is poz and undetectable is not virulent, i.e. you are extremely unlikely to contract HIV from him. Conversely somebody who thinks that they are negative may not be, and if they are wrong they will be virulent. Additionally, PrEP is extremely effective at protecting against most strains of HIV (I get my numbers from studies, not individuals), as are condoms.

 

The bottom line is that if you want to protect against HIV specifically the safest option is somebody who is diagnosed positive and undetectable. Condoms offer further protection, and PrEP is a nice failsafe.

[rossthebosssf]

First, you may want to take a moment to calm down. You've probably been with many of individuals both personal as well as escorts that are positive (and many who said they were negative might have been lying or don't know their actual current status). If you practice safe sex, you have little to nothing to worry about. If you still have concerns, you should look into going on Prep which will basically whittle your chances of infection down to zero. Unless you see a test from 30 seconds ago, you should assume everyone is positive and play accordingly.

[rossthebosssf]

Oh, and there's plenty of escorts out there that are negative and happy to show you results. I still play safe as anything could have happened from the moment the test was taken to the moment you meet.

[+ goosh69]

Can't play with matches is yiure afraid of fire. And what Rosstheboss says.

[bobnyc]

The bottom line is that if you want to protect against HIV specifically the safest option is somebody who is diagnosed positive and undetectable. Condoms offer further protection, and PrEP is a nice failsafe.

 

It's actually someone who is negative, but you don't know if the person is lying to you or recently infected. Conversely, you also don't know if the positive person is telling you the truth about being undetectable. Undetectable people also have blips of activity which we either don't detect or don't know about since they're not tested everyday.

[escortrod]

It's actually someone who is negative, but you don't know if the person is lying to you or recently infected.

This is why somebody who is diagnosed and undetectable is the safer option. Yes, they can have blips of activity, but that doesn't outweigh the effectiveness of treatment and the prevalence of undiagnosed guys who think they are negative.

 

Maybe for clarity I should have said that the safest practical option is somebody who is diagnosed and undetectable.

[CatnameFelix]

I use a condom and prep together, I never bareback. I avoid "anything goes" and "pnp" profiles. The really nothing more you can do. Except to learn to enjoy your hands more than another person .

[bobnyc]

This is why somebody who is diagnosed and undetectable is the safer option. Yes, they can have blips of activity, but that doesn't outweigh the effectiveness of treatment and the prevalence of undiagnosed guys who think they are negative.

 

Maybe for clarity I should have said that the safest practical option is somebody who is diagnosed and undetectable.

You don't know if the person is truly undetectable just by their word though. Just because they're forthcoming on status doesn't mean they won't lie about the undetectable part.

 

I used to think positive and undetectable was a good option once I read the studies of the low risk of infection. Now I just assume everyone is positive and infectious and do what I need to protect myself.

[escortrod]

You don't know if the person is truly undetectable just by their word though. Just because they're forthcoming on status doesn't mean they won't lie about the undetectable part.

 

I used to think positive and undetectable was a good option once I read the studies of the low risk of infection. Now I just assume everyone is positive and infectious and do what I need to protect myself.

Fair point. I don't know what proportion of diagnosed guys are on treatment here. It's the vast majority in the UK, and those are the only stats I'm aware of.

[+ goosh69]

You don't know if you yourself are positive in some cases- let s be real. It takes a while for tests to detect it. Always be careful.

[JayNY]

You should always use protection with escorts.

[Nvr2Thick]

Nice of the escort to be forthcoming regarding his status so that you could make informed choices.

[+ saminseattle]

It takes a while for tests to detect it.

 

Yes. Aside from the difficulty of detection during this initial window period, this is also a very infectious phase. http://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/seroconversion-time#Overview1

 

As far as this “protection” everyone keeps talking about, keep in mind that condoms are not 100% effective. Indeed, some studies suggest that in the real world, where people don't necessarily use them perfectly every time, they may only be about 80% effective. http://www.thebodypro.com/content/70694/condoms-tried-tested-and-true.html.

 

That is why I have never understood the people here who argue that one’s partner’s status or sexual habits are irrelevant considerations from a safety perspective, as long as you use "protection." Just in case that condom fails for whatever reason, I would prefer to be with someone who always uses condoms AND is on PREP AND gets tested regularly, etc. For me, admittedly a bit of a “nervous nelly,” I try to get multiple layers of protection, not just one.

[stop]

First, calm down and compose yourself. You're all over the map and I'm imagining you having a panic attack at your laptop ( which you shouldn't be because you get tested regularly **hint hint** ). Take a Xanax and breathe for a few moments.

 

 

 

Yes, we exist.

 

 

 

This applies to anyone, not just service providers. But we all know abstinence doesn't work and there are risks involved to sexual activity.

 

 

 

That article was written July 2014 and it criticized the effectiveness because of the lack of studies done. Lets come back to December 2016. Plenty of new studies have come out showing Truvada as PrEP to be extremely effective.

 

Now before we continue any further, please visit https://www.facebook.com/PrEPFactsFAQ and educate yourself, it will benefit you immensely.

 

Now if you took that Xanax, you should be feeling calmer right about now.

 

Me Wolfe. Your voice of reason has been missed

[nycguy]

One thing happened to me recently made me to think more... I contacted one very well known escort and porn performer who is currently visiting my town. We f*ed with him about 2 years ago but I now have new phone number so he didn't recognize me. Very soon he texted me: "I'm pos, undetectable, is it a deal breaker?" I answered: "Wait... Was you already pos 2 years ago?". He answered: "yes. Why?". F***ck! I don't meet so many hot escorts because I def know they are HIV pos. But that guy was also pos and I didn't know that! And his escorting partner he travels with is pos too! Do really neg escorts still exist in nature??? Probably not:((( now I'm thinking that the less hardcore stuff you do with escorts the better for your health and future. Of course you will now tell me "magic words": truvada, condoms... Of course I do condoms all the time, but... You know. As for truvada: stop believing in fairytales. Everyone sane knows : prep story is very controversial, even NY Times wrote about that for you. Do not believe one extremely active porn maker and truvada ambassador whose nickname name is "Duck-face", that pos escort I've told you about even works for that porn maker. I'm almost sure "Duckface" is poz himself...

Your thoughts, guys???

 

Why are you surprised that an escort and porn performer could be poz?

 

What do you expect people here to tell you?

 

You want thoughts of guys here? I think you are trying to stir up trouble with "Duck-face" or you just trying to get another thread going about the holier than thou attitude about barebacking.

 

If you want absolute protection, don't have sex. No sex partner you might have is going to come with a "sanitized for your protection" banner wrapped around him. Grow up.

 

"And his escorting partner he travels with is pos too!" - nice outrageous touch. You will ascend into heaven with angels playing trumpets upon your arrival.

[escortrod]

No sex partner you might have is going to come with a "sanitized for your protection" banner wrapped around him.

I really want to do this now!

[DDad4ynger]

First, calm down and compose yourself. You're all over the map and I'm imagining you having a panic attack at your laptop ( which you shouldn't be because you get tested regularly **hint hint** ). Take a Xanax and breathe for a few moments.

 

 

 

Yes, we exist.

 

 

 

This applies to anyone, not just service providers. But we all know abstinence doesn't work and there are risks involved to sexual activity.

 

 

 

That article was written July 2014 and it criticized the effectiveness because of the lack of studies done. Lets come back to December 2016. Plenty of new studies have come out showing Truvada as PrEP to be extremely effective.

 

Now before we continue any further, please visit https://www.facebook.com/PrEPFactsFAQ and educate yourself, it will benefit you immensely.

 

Now if you took that Xanax, you should be feeling calmer right about now.

So well said! And with such good humor and raw truth!

[bigvalboy]

Why are you surprised that an escort and porn performer could be poz?

 

What do you expect people here to tell you?

 

You want thoughts of guys here? I think you are trying to stir up trouble with "Duck-face" or you just trying to get another thread going about the holier than thou attitude about barebacking.

 

If you want absolute protection, don't have sex. No sex partner you might have is going to come with a "sanitized for your protection" banner wrapped around him. Grow up.

 

"And his escorting partner he travels with is pos too!" - nice outrageous touch. You will ascend into heaven with angels playing trumpets upon your arrival.

 

On target...

[+ OliverSaks]

Negative escorts exist!

PreP + condoms + 1-2 month between testing

 

AND...

As we on this forum belong to a number of persecuted/marginalized groups, as gay/Bi/trans people, some as people of color, and as people involved in sex work, I urge anyone with strong feelings about people living with HIV to practice the same type of compassion & understanding that we would wish the world at large would bestow upon us.

 

When you think of the deeply hurtful feeling of being denied the same rights as everyone or of facing harsh words and sentiments...

[youngster]

Thanks to everybody except PrEP fairytalers for answering.

 

To be clear. I'm not surprised an escort can be HIV positive like one guy told about me here. I just know and gether really LOTS of info about people. And I'm surprised HOW MANY OF ESCORTS ARE POS IN FACT. Almost everyone. I knew about hundreds and hundreds pos escorting guys. And finally a guy who was always represented as "Neg, on prep", whom I kinda trusted and even f*ed with telling me "I'm pos, undetectable" and that he even knew he was pos 2 years ago...

 

My personal choice nowadays will be only so to speak soft-core scenes with escorts, even when they offer me to meet up for free on grindr. No hardcore scenes

[+ sniper]

What a lot of people are unaware of is that in the US only something like 1 out of 4 HIV+ people is undetectable. another 1 out of 4 are HIV+ and DON'T KNOW IT, and the other 50% either don't have access to meds, or haven't yet found the combo that works for them, or has trouble with taking them regularly(there are people for whom the side effects are severe and they periodically go off the meds to give their bodies a break).

 

HIV is largely sexually transmitted. I'm not sure why you are surprised that people who on average have extremely high partner counts have a significant rate of HIV infection. The odds simply catch up to a lot of people. Prep hasn't been around that long and a lot of these people have been in the business over a decade.

 

If you don't want to take the risk, don't take the risk. But if you go on PreP and the person is undetectable and you're using condoms, you're as close to zero risk as you can get short of quarantining someone and giving them a test.

[caliguy]

 

If you don't want to take the risk, don't take the risk. But if you go on PreP and the person is undetectable and you're using condoms, you're as close to zero risk as you can get short of quarantining someone and giving them a test.

If someones "undetectable" they can't transfer the virus. This was from two recent studies by the Dept of health and human services. HPTN 052 and the PARTNER study.

[+ sniper]

If someones "undetectable" they can't transfer the virus. This was from two recent studies by the Dept of health and human services. HPTN 052 and the PARTNER study.

 

I'm allowing for some wiggle in that "undetectable" is, strictly speaking, a point-in-time measurement and someone could theoretically miss a couple of days of meds and not be undetectable between tests. Once that level has been achieved how often do they retest?