Gay Bachelor RentBoy Racist

[bimbosavant]

I'm sure this topic has been discussed in at least one other thread but I wanted to pose the question (due to my ethnic background) : would you consider NOT hiring an escort who makes any sort of distinction regarding the racial preferences of his clients?

 

 

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/08/121705/prince-charming-reality-show-robert-sepulveda

[curiousbynature12]

Of course! In my opinion, "racial preference" shouldn't really be relevant to whether an escort is able to provide a great experience with their clients. It's not something a professional would mention **whispers - and it shows how racist they probably are if they mention that to clients**. Definitely would cross that person off my list.

[down_to_business]

I prefer that they state their (prejudices, preferences, requirements ... whatever you want to call it) up front. This allows people who don't meet their "rules" to prevent wasting their time. It also allows the PC client to avoid them, if having such rules offends them, without wasting anyone's time. I almost think it should be a checkbox type requirement, something along the lines of "I see all client types" Y or N or I am very selective in the type of client I see.. a more PC way of conveying it.

 

A prospective client shouldn't ever have to ask an escort "Are you going to reject me because of who I am or how I look".

[+ stevenkesslar]

aka the guy that allegedly is behind the str8UpGayPorn Twitter ban, based on a poll of readers:

 

http://boston.edgemedianetwork.com/technology/personal_tech/news//203427/twitter_bans_popular_gay_porn_sites_account

 

In typical Str8UpGayPorn form, Sire posted a poll allowing readers to vote who they think was behind the site's Twitter takedown. Among Sire's suspects are "That mystery soap opera star who creampied Seth Santoro," Logo and their cum pig bachelor Robert Sepulveda Jr.," YouTube star Davey Wavey, and Donald Burns, the business man who was extorted by gay porn model Jarec Wentworth.

 

At the top of the list? Logo and its prince charming Robert Sepulveda Jr.

 

Of course, that's all based on total speculation. And the article you hyperlinked is also total speculation. It states that Sepulveda advertised on Rentboy, which no longer exists thanks to the US government, and the claim about his racism is based on a "comment" that was in turn "reported" by Perez Hilton, which hardly meets the NYT standard of journalism. All this bloggy twittery gooey stuff is just as easily used for trolling and character assassination as it is for fighting racism.

 

There have been several White escorts flagged on this board that had clearly racist and insulting criteria, like saying "don't call me if you are Black," which seem not only : 1) racist, but also 2) ridiculous, in that all they manage to do is piss off people who might pay them for something fun. How dumb is that? A few times I sent emails to active escorts that said crap like that saying something like "I think you are both racist and dumb." They did not reply.

 

Speaking of good journalism (and hot guys), I tried to find a Youtube link of an interview CNN's Don Lemon did with an African American professor, maybe a year ago, discussing "microaggressions" and subtle or not so subtle racist language. I could not find it, so I'll have to go off possibly editorialized memory. They both made what I thought was a good point: that the microaggression thing can be taken too far by really young people who grew up in Twitterland. They recounted that in their college days they'd experienced way more overt manifestations of racism, and they thought that the ability to choose when to ignore it and when to fight it helped them to develop into what they were: good journalists and good academicians who can think critically, and on their feet. I wish I could find it, because I thought it was a very thoughtful interview between two Black men on a very sensitive subject.

 

Then there is this example of an utterly thoughtless racist who deserved to get banned:

 

http://str8upgayporn.com/racist-sean-cody-model-upset-over-ann-coulter-drag-king-being-banned-from-twitter/

 

At any rate, sorry for going off, but in this case it sounds like speculative character assassination about something somebody maybe said or did a long time ago. I'd focus the sound and fury on the racists supporting Trump today.

[Edward]

You should not make racist comments if you are putting yourself out there for the public. However, I am a "racist" when it comes to who I sleep with. I have slept very few times with guys of certain races and body builds. The just dont turn me on. Sorry but I cannot fool my sex drive no matter how hard I try. He is probably doing the guys of other races a favor by letting them know he is not into them.

[bimbosavant]

aka the guy that allegedly is behind the str8UpGayPorn Twitter ban, based on a poll of readers:

 

http://boston.edgemedianetwork.com/technology/personal_tech/news//203427/twitter_bans_popular_gay_porn_sites_account

 

In typical Str8UpGayPorn form, Sire posted a poll allowing readers to vote who they think was behind the site's Twitter takedown. Among Sire's suspects are "That mystery soap opera star who creampied Seth Santoro," Logo and their cum pig bachelor Robert Sepulveda Jr.," YouTube star Davey Wavey, and Donald Burns, the business man who was extorted by gay porn model Jarec Wentworth.

 

At the top of the list? Logo and its prince charming Robert Sepulveda Jr.

 

Of course, that's all based on total speculation. And the article you hyperlinked is also total speculation. It states that Sepulveda advertised on Rentboy, which no longer exists thanks to the US government, and the claim about his racism is based on a tweet, which hardly meets the NYT standard of journalism. All this bloggy twittery gooey stuff is just as easily used for trolling and character assassination as it is for fighting racism.

 

There have been several White escorts flagged on this board that had clearly racist and insulting criteria, like saying "don't call me if you are Black," which seem not only : 1) racist, but also 2) ridiculous, in that all they manage to do is piss off people who might pay them for something fun. How dumb is that? A few times I sent emails to active escorts that said crap like that saying something like "I think you are both racist and dumb." They did not reply.

 

Speaking of good journalism (and hot guys), I tried to find a Youtube link of an interview CNN's Don Lemon did with an African American professor, maybe a year ago, discussing "microaggressions" and subtle or not so subtle racist language. I could not find it, so I'll have to go off possibly editorialized memory. They both made what I thought was a good point: that the microaggression thing can be taken too far by really young people who grew up in Twitterland. They recounted that in their college days they'd experienced way more overt manifestations of racism, and they thought that the ability to choose when to ignore it and when to fight it helped them to develop into what they were: good journalists and good academicians who can think critically, and on their feet. I wish I could find it, because I thought it was a very thoughtful interview between two Black men on a very sensitive subject.

 

Then there is this example of an utterly thoughtless racist who deserved to get banned:

 

http://str8upgayporn.com/racist-sean-cody-model-upset-over-ann-coulter-drag-king-being-banned-from-twitter/

 

At any rate, sorry for going off, but in this case it sounds like speculative character assassination about something somebody maybe said or did a long time ago. I'd focus the sound and fury on the racists supporting Trump today.

 

I was hesitant to reference the gossip column, I do not feel as though it is justified journalism in any regard. I was more invested in and curious about the question at hand, which you answered marvelously. Thank you.

[marylander1940]

I'm sure this topic has been discussed in at least one other thread but I wanted to pose the question (due to my ethnic background) : would you consider NOT hiring an escort who makes any sort of distinction regarding the racial preferences of his clients?

 

 

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/08/121705/prince-charming-reality-show-robert-sepulveda

 

I would never hire someone like Dakota from Annapolis who said in his expired profile: "no blacks"... just like I would never hire someone who is just hard to approach like Sheldon (Sean Cody) from Vegas. I think they either don't have the stomach to be escorts and they should get a different job, I understand some escorts not being able to top a 300lbs guy, denying service to guys who party or are smelly and refuse to take a shower, not willing to bottom (because they're top) or not barebacking, those logical choices we all make when it comes to any kind of business but upfront saying something like "no blacks" is not a good sign for me.

 

@Dakota

[Guy Fawkes]

Would I consider NOT hiring an escort that made any sort of distinction of the sex preferences of his clients? (If this is any different then there is a problem with your question)

 

I'm sure this topic has been discussed in at least one other thread but I wanted to pose the question (due to my ethnic background) : would you consider NOT hiring an escort who makes any sort of distinction regarding the racial preferences of his clients?

 

 

http://www.refinery29.com/2016/08/121705/prince-charming-reality-show-robert-sepulveda

[+ stevenkesslar]

Thank you....mit freundlichen grüßen,

 

Bitte schön

 

Speaking of the complexities of language, I feel racist every time I say something like, "Me gustaría que el café negro" in Spanish. It would be nice if we could just get this racism thing out of the way once and for all so we could focus on the really important things in life ... like drinking coffee and having sex.

[Meo]

I prefer that they state their (prejudices, preferences, requirements ... whatever you want to call it) up front. This allows people who don't meet their "rules" to prevent wasting their time. It also allows the PC client to avoid them, if having such rules offends them, without wasting anyone's time. I almost think it should be a checkbox type requirement, something along the lines of "I see all client types" Y or N or I am very selective in the type of client I see.. a more PC way of conveying it.

 

A prospective client shouldn't ever have to ask an escort "Are you going to reject me because of who I am or how I look".

Totally agree. Even when I don't like the answer, it should be disclosed up front and not shift the burden to the client to send a pic or similar and THEN be rejected.

[Stephan]

I would never hire someone like Dakota from Annapolis who said in his expired profile: "no blacks"... just like I would never hire someone who is just hard to approach like Sheldon (Sean Cody) from Vegas. I think they either don't have the stomach to be escorts and they should get a different job, I understand some escorts not being able to top a 300lbs guy, denying service to guys who party or are smelly and refuse to take a shower, not willing to bottom (because they're top) or not barebacking, those logical choices we all make when it comes to any kind of business but upfront saying something like "no blacks" is not a good sign for me.

 

@Dakota

 

@Dakota, there are classier ways to handle this, you don't have to be nasty and rude about it. You should be having this conversation privately with the client, when the customer contact you for a meeting (first email/text).You should state your preferrence to the client,such as, you're not sexually into Asian/Black/Latino guys, and you won't be able to satisfy the client. No time is wasted, and the client can move on to the next escort (done prefessionally). This is not Adam4Adms or manhunt.net, where guys post shit like "no white guys", "no Asian guys", or "no black or latino guys". RM is a professional escort site, clients expect escorts who advertised on that site to act professionally at all times.

[Guest RexB]

Dakota hasn't had an ad up for months so give him a break.

[marylander1940]

@Dakota, there are classier ways to handle this, you don't have to be nasty and rude about it. You should be having this conversation privately with the client, when the customer contact you for a meeting (first email/text).You should state your preferrence to the client,such as, you're not sexually into Asian/Black/Latino guys, and you won't be able to satisfy the client. No time is wasted, and the client can move on to the next escort (done prefessionally). This is not Adam4Adms or manhunt.net, where guys post shit like "no white guys", "no Asian guys", or "no black or latino guys". RM is a professional escort site, clients expect escorts who advertised on that site to act professionally at all times.

 

 

Exactly!

 

Just ask the client to describe himself and what he wants to do and excuse yourself. I would never compare an escort to a restaurant and btw I have memories of segregation in MD because I was born in 1940...

[+ quoththeraven]

Dakota hasn't had an ad up for months so give him a break.

 

Why?

 

Sorry, if you have limitations like that, you are not escort material.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Totally agree. Even when I don't like the answer, it should be disclosed up front and not shift the burden to the client to send a pic or similar and THEN be rejected.

 

Just to be contrarian, may I suggest we think of it this way ... two rights don't make a wrong. This approach works, but so does the opposite. Try both.

 

I can see the logic of somebody saying "If you are Black, Hispanic, Asian, small dicked, big bellied, smelly, old, trolley, bearded, hairy, or unnaturally smooth or plastic looking, leave me the fuck alone." It is rather effective, but it is also rather rude. It could be taken as an implicit endorsement that it's okay to both think and communicate openly that way.

 

My personal preference is to have the private conversation, because that way the bigot might actually learn something, like they might want to try to be a little more tolerant. On some past thread on this subject Axiom told a great story I won't try to repeat about how he challenged an escort's stated racial preference. The escort got a paying client, and Axiom had a good time. That is way more than anyone should be expected to do, but kudos to those who bend over backwards to break down barriers.

 

I assume that ignorant people are simply going to do ignorant things, so really it's not saying that it's right to be wrong. It's really a question of how far individuals are willing to go to turn something you view as wrong into something right. That should of course be a personal choice.

[Guest RexB]

Why?

 

Sorry, if you have limitations like that, you are not escort material.

 

Exactly my point. Perhaps he realized this and that's why he doesn't have an ad up. Do we have to keep flogging someone because they don't measure up to our personal opinion about how escorts, or anybody for that matter, don't measure up to our rules of behavior even after they have completely removed themselves from the scene?

[marylander1940]

Why?

 

Sorry, if you have limitations like that, you are not escort material.

 

Maybe that's why he's gone... at least his advertisement ain't in Annapolis anymore.

[Stephan]

Good riddance, he's not fit to be a professional escort.

[+ quoththeraven]

Exactly my point. Perhaps he realized this and that's why he doesn't have an ad up. Do we have to keep flogging someone because they don't measure up to our personal opinion about how escorts, or anybody for that matter, don't measure up to our rules of behavior even after they have completely removed themselves from the scene?

 

I don't know if he's completely removed himself from the scene, but I assume you agree that escorts maintaining such limitations is a subject worthy of public discussion. As such, it makes perfect sense to cite examples to show this is a real, not madeup, issue.

 

Unless you are privy to information the rest of us don't have, "not having an ad up for months" does not mean he's completely removed himself from the scene. It is not uncommon for people to stop and start, sometimes leaving because of relationships and returning when those relationships end, or even sincerely believing that they're done and then needing extra money or discovering it was more important to them than they thought. It's not as though he announced his retirement.

 

If he actually has left escorting because he realized he wasn't cut out for it, let him at least have the courage to say so publicly. Even so, it likely doesn't change his inability to connect with people of different ethnicities. As someone who is biracial, just the idea that only certain races are attractive or worthy of his attention makes me queasy, so no, I don't buy that it's somehow unfair to mention him in this regard. I have seen threads on other subjects that got way more personal than this one has and no one seemed bothered by it.

[adventurous old guy]

I'm one of the guys who engaged on the earlier thread on Dakota, because I was startled by the blunt way in which he stated "no blacks.' And it did offend me. But to that kid's credit, he weighed in here and tried to articulate a POV that reminds me of Edward's comment above: He just isn't attracted to people who are black. I don't think he had the language skills to explain himself. Then he abruptly disappeared. Hopefully a case of market self-correction where he realized this just isn't the field for him.

 

But for you BimboSavant (great handle btw) that thread generated a lot of response to your question. Here it is:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/411-on-dakota-annapolis-are-these-picts-real.108659/

[Guest RexB]

I don't know if he's completely removed himself from the scene, but I assume you agree that escorts maintaining such limitations is a subject worthy of public discussion. As such, it makes perfect sense to cite examples to show this is a real, not madeup, issue.

 

Unless you are privy to information the rest of us don't have, "not having an ad up for months" does not mean he's completely removed himself from the scene. It is not uncommon for people to stop and start, sometimes leaving because of relationships and returning when those relationships end, or even sincerely believing that they're done and then needing extra money or discovering it was more important to them than they thought. It's not as though he announced his retirement.

 

If he actually has left escorting because he realized he wasn't cut out for it, let him at least have the courage to say so publicly. Even so, it likely doesn't change his inability to connect with people of different ethnicities. As someone who is biracial, just the idea that only certain races are attractive or worthy of his attention makes me queasy, so no, I don't buy that it's somehow unfair to mention him in this regard. I have seen threads on other subjects that got way more personal than this one has and no one seemed bothered by it.

 

What makes me queasy is people who use guilt and shame to enforce their judgments of others as being 'the truth' and not just their own perceptions. I have come to realize that I can only affect my own thinking on subjects and when I get into prescribing what and how other people "should" think or feel about something it's just futile and pointless, not to mention frustrating. I have no idea why Dakota is currently missing but I do know that if I'm looking to make someone guilty there is an infinite number of ways to do it---it's the way of the world driven mad by the guilt that is placed on us all by all religions. Since I've given up the idea that I'm guilty I just don't place any investment in finding others to be. I don't know what other people "should" do or how they "should" perceive something and I don't give anyone that power over myself either. If someone thinks or acts in a way that I don't approve of I just turn my attention away from them but I can't see any purpose in condemning them.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I don't buy that it's somehow unfair to mention him in this regard. I have seen threads on other subjects that got way more personal than this one has and no one seemed bothered by it.

 

That's not the issue. The issue, as the OP presented it, is about how we deal with what I'll call racism, in this case as practiced by escorts, although clients are certainly capable of it, too. The OP agreed with my suggestion that we can have a discussion of the topic without having to use hearsay or gossip to drag in some long ago "Prince Charming," who actually maybe is a horrific monster when you really get to know him, like perhaps Robert Sepulveda.

 

When I think about my own life experience, I think sometimes it's better to let things go, and leave complete assholes in the shit bin of history, where they belong, so that their names and stupidity and hatred and insane actions are never publicly discussed again, and are mercifully forgotten. That way whatever pains we have experienced in the past, we can look at each new person and life experience with fresh, open, and welcoming eyes.

 

I agree with Adventurous Old Guy. If someone like Dakota is willing to engage and at least try to see it from someone else's perspective, that's a first step. Maybe he learned something, maybe he didn't. If he weighs in again and it seems like he hasn't changed, he's asking for it, and not in a good way.

 

Meanwhile, at the risk of getting this booted to the politics section, I say we got two months left to focus a spotlight on the racism of Team Trump.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Beyond the "preferences" controversy, let's imagine an escort is openly racist. Intellectually disgusting, however I could not care less about an escort's racism. If I find him physically attractive I will talk to him and see if we may click sexually. I am not hiring a friend, I am hiring a lover. Not a lover like in "I love you", but a lover like in "I fuck you".

 

However, I understand if somebody would not hire a racist guy.

 

What I cannot understand is why we think a racist guy is not escort material. I think anyone who has a market is escort material. I am sure there are plenty of guys (racist or not) who would hire a hot racist guy. Hell, I am sure there are enough racist guys who would hire a racist escort.

[+ quoththeraven]

That's not the issue. The issue, as the OP presented it, is about how we deal with what I'll call racism, in this case as practiced by escorts, although clients are certainly capable of it, too. The OP agreed with my suggestion that we can have a discussion of the topic without having to use hearsay or gossip to drag in some long ago "Prince Charming," who actually maybe is a horrific monster when you really get to know him, like perhaps Robert Sepulveda.

 

When I think about my own life experience, I think sometimes it's better to let things go, and leave complete assholes in the shit bin of history, where they belong, so that their names and stupidity and hatred and insane actions are never publicly discussed again, and are mercifully forgotten. That way whatever pains we have experienced in the past, we can look at each new person and life experience with fresh, open, and welcoming eyes.

 

I agree with Adventurous Old Guy. If someone like Dakota is willing to engage and at least try to see it from someone else's perspective, that's a first step. Maybe he learned something, maybe he didn't. If he weighs in again and it seems like he hasn't changed, he's asking for it, and not in a good way.

 

Meanwhile, at the risk of getting this booted to the politics section, I say we got two months left to focus a spotlight on the racism of Team Trump.

 

All I saw here was a reference to this guy (Dakota?) as having expressed such limitations, with the rest of the discussion focused on how to deal with such limitations and whether escorts should have such limitations, not on the escort. I didn't (and still don't) see this thread as an "attack" on Dakota. That he had such limitations is a fact.

 

I've seen meaner threads aimed at another escort from South Africa whose name I don't remember who has similar limitations. I also notice no one has said the reference to Sepulveda is inappropriate even though he also is apparently out of the biz. It just seems like there is a lot of randomness and inconsistency to how different people get treated around here, mostly dependent on how much good or ill will active posters feel toward them.

 

I'm sorry, RexB. To the extent I understand your response, it reads like an apologia. Someone who is not interested in, not attracted to, or sexually turned off by an entire group of people based on skin color or perceived race (because race is a slippery, superficial and fundamentally unscientific concept) may not be consciously racist, but I find it hard to believe that the existence of these "preferences" doesn't have something to do with the widespread negative connotations of and disdain for non-whiteness (or to put it another way, the admiration of whiteness above all else). I have yet to hear of someone ruling out whites as sexual partners.

[+ quoththeraven]

Beyond the "preferences" controversy, let's imagine an escort is openly racist. Intellectually disgusting, however I could not care less about an escort's racism. If I find him physically attractive I will talk to him and see if we may click sexually. I am not hiring a friend, I am hiring a lover. Not a lover like in "I love you", but a lover like in "I fuck you".

 

However, I understand if somebody would not hire a racist guy.

 

What I cannot understand is why we think a racist guy is not escort material. I think anyone who has a market is escort material. I am sure there are plenty of guys (racist or not) who would hire a hot racist guy. Hell, I am sure there are enough racist guys who would hire a racist escort.

 

A racist guy is not escort material because his attitude is a complete "fuck you" to much of humanity on grounds that are intellectually indefensible. Maybe he can get by as a niche player, just as escorts (mostly straight) who call their clients fags and berate them are, but it's my assumption (perhaps not correct) that in case of the domineering straight guy, it's more of an act than a matter of acting on his own belief.

 

Also, I have to think actual racists will have strong sexual preferences along racial lines anyway and unless they can be abusive to the client, would not be interested in seeing one who's outside their racial preferences. For most if not all racists, that would mean seeing white guys only.

 

By making this a commercial endeavor, they are implicitly holding themselves out as okay with transactional sex. If they are ruling potential clients out on the basis of race or ethnicity, this is shitty behavior as well as racist behavior that also limits their clientele. It's my experience that people who behave shittily in one way are just generally shitty people who are neither trustworthy or fun to be around.

 

I am not open-minded toward close-minded assholes.