Hey Fat Guys

[FourAces]

As I've mentioned many times here I'm a pretty hefty guy at 5'9" 370 pounds. With the holidays coming I'm in the mood to travel now. Over the last few years I have not had the need to fly anywhere. In fact, the last time I flew I was a slim, fit 300 even :7

 

I fly first class, in part, because there is more space. My question is at my current size do you think I'll have a problem stuffing myself into a seat? I read where Southwest was charing some fat people double the fare due to their size. I'm not flying SW but don't want any problems either. I'm a pretty low profile sort of guy.

 

So fellow fat people how do you do it?

 

RT

[seaboy4hire]

Ace I am not fat by any means but the way I see it is that you have a few options. One if you call in your reservation explain the situation to the other person and get their name and i.d. number. Second option would be to go to the ticket office if there is one in your city or go to the airport and purchase the ticket in person so that they can well lack of better words size you up and decide right then and there if you need to purchase two seats. And thirdly you can just buy the ticket without letting them know of your size and hope for the best.

 

Hugs,

Greg

Greg Seattle Wa [email protected]

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html http://briefcase.yahoo.com/seaboy4hire

[bigguyinpasadena]

fourAces,you should not have a problem with most first class(as long as it is a real first class-not that BS AmWest product)seats as there is no chance of "roll over"

[Boston Guy]

Related info:

 

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzdiet1105,0,6079653.story?coll=ny-business-headlines

http://www.comedyzine.com/tirade280.html

http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20041104/Opinion/111040006

 

As for my take on the subject, which you didn't ask for: I'm a very frequent traveller, with literally millions of miles behind me. I'm upgraded to 1st class roughly half of the time but that means that I also spend a lot of time in coach. I know guys who get upset if they're not upgraded or fly out of their way just to go first class; both reactions seem absurd to me, considering the small benefits that come with being up front -- better food, free alcohol and a larger seat.

 

The food is better, granted, and often good. But I often don't eat on flights. I don't drink much on flights any more, either, because I've found that it makes me tired when I get to the other end. (The exception to that, of course, is on redeyes, when I purposefully drink in the hope that it will help me sleep more soundly during the flight.)

 

So we're down to a larger, more comfortable seat. That's nice and better when you want to do some work. But I fit just fine in coach seats and am happy enough if I'm next to the window.... except when the middle seat is occupied by someone who doesn't fit into it.

 

There's nothing more aggravating to me than to be forced to spend a multi-hour flight with an overweight person's flesh draped over me. I try to lean against the window, shy away from the shared armrest, etc. But nothing really helps and it makes for an often uncomfortable flight, no matter how nice or accommodating my seatmate is or tries to be.

 

We can blame that on the airlines and the small seats they provide. But, ultimately, when someone is literally twice the size of most average adults, blaming the industry seems a bit unfair. If they provided seats that would accommodate their largest passengers, we'd all be paying about twice as much to fly because they planes would carry half as many passengers. Yet I see large people (fat people?) get really very angry at flight attendants and glare at their fellow travellers. I suspect some of these reactions stem from embarrassment but some seem to come from real anger at their treatment.

 

It would seem to me that the airlines need to treat all passengers with respect, regardless of their background or size. But a very large passenger presents the airline crew and other passengers with obvious challenges. Anger, whether on the part of the fat person, the crew, or other passengers, doesn't seem warranted or useful. Nonetheless, it's one of the most common expressions I see when fat people are seated near or around me. So I'd urge you to try to roll with whatever punches you can without getting angry and to understand that if you are seated in coach, your size will almost certainly cause your seatmates to be uncomfortable. It's an unfortunate thing, but probably a fact of life so long as you are so large.

 

Second, first-class seats are far more expensive than coach seats. Depending on the airline and where you are going, purchasing two coach-class seats is most likely to be far less expensive than one first-class seat. If you are looking into options, that might be one thing to look at. Certainly, a double-coach seat should provide you with enough sideways room to allow you to be at least somewhat comfortable.

 

Finally, I'd call some of the airlines and ask them what their policies are. They must have policies that deal with this issue. You may well find that some are much better than others. And, if you fly enough to get to have elite status (25K miles or more), you might find that you are upgraded for free often, depending on where you fly.

 

Most routes can be flown on several different airlines, by going through different hubs, usually for very similar prices. If I recall, you live in Las Vegas. In that case, lots of airlines service that city. If you find an airline whose policies you like and that treats you well, you'd be well-advised to stick with them. Loyalty counts and is often rewarded by the companies.

 

Happy travels.

 

BG

[Guest alanm]

I wish that flying in a seat with an overweigh seat mate had been my only flying problem. I flew from Alaska to Boston in 1984 in the window seat beside an overweight man; it was not much fun. But the guy was friendly and a very decent person, so it worked out.

 

Much, much worse was a flight from LAX to Sydney when the gentleman next to me was a Quantas pilot who drank throughout the flight. At first, I was fun because he told some great stories. As the flight went on he became more and more abusive to the flight crew when they tried to temper his continued demand for free drinks. It ranks as a Truly Awful Experience.

 

I have also been stuck in window seats and center seats beside people who chose never to talk during the entire flight (DC to Toyko, LAX to Auckland, Philadelphia to Munich, NY to Moscow). I'll take the gentleman on the Alaska to Boston flighht any day after those other experiences. Perhaps it does not particularly bother me because I assume that the overweigh person has a good reason why he or she can not take off weight.

[Guest bighugbearphx]

I can relate. A website that may be of use to you is:

http://www.seatguru.com/

 

It provides seating charts, including width and legroom, for most airlines and classes of seating. First class seats are pretty much all the same, though coach can vary quite a bit by airline and type of plane. It also advises you about in-flight entertainment alternatives, and which seats on specific aircraft to avoid (which ones won't recline, too close to rest rooms, etc.) Actually, it can be useful for any traveler, not just "folks of size" (fat or very tall) like us.

 

I'm familiar with Southwest's policy (I understand Frontier and United also have adopted it, unofficially), though I have never had to actually buy a second seat as of yet. Generally, they won't raise the issue if the flight is likely to have a half dozen or more empty seats anyway. Since they don't assign seats (yet ... but they are thinking of doing it on runs where they compete with Jet Blue), they'd assume that people would avoid the middle seat next to you, and that would be one of the empties. But if the flight is expected to be full, they will insist on payment (at the same rate you paid for the first ticket) of a second seat, then refund it to you at your destination if the plane had other vacant seats.

 

I can understand the plight of "normal" size folks not wanting to be wedged into a seat next to us. (Believe me, it's no fun for us either!) But consider that the situation isn't the same when sitting at a movie theatre, other entertainment venue, trains, buses, etc., where seat widths are a bit more realistic. It's really about airlines trying to cram as many people as they can in a plane. Yes, it keeps fares low, but it's up to consumers to draw the line and let them know when they go too far. Otherwise, what's next ... stacking passengers like cordwood??

[Skyyguy]

Simple math might be your best solution. Most coach seats are 17's wide. Most First seats are no more than 22" wide.

So 2 coach seats with the armrest up would provide more room for you.

And, echoing the previous post, probably less expensive. I would also suggest you ask the airline for special assistance, so you could be preboarded, and deal with the extra seat belt etc, and other inconveniences without the ire of the rude passengers.

[VaHawk]

>There's nothing more aggravating to me than to be forced to

>spend a multi-hour flight with an overweight person's flesh

>draped over me. I try to lean against the window, shy away

>from the shared armrest, etc. But nothing really helps and it

>makes for an often uncomfortable flight, no matter how nice or

>accommodating my seatmate is or tries to be.

 

Wow, so can we all assume that your rage against discrimination in any form whatsoever, is only limited to when you are the one being discriminated against, being forced to "endure" others scorn, revulsion, etc., and being limited to those who find your open gayness uncomfortable? How quickly you forget the airline policies of evicting AIDS infected people off the plane because it was offensive to others during the 1980's. Do these comments mean that you will now turn in the frock and collar, and stop your "preaching" here?

[trilingual]

Obviously, the airlines have dealt with this issue before. My understanding is that a number of airlines will do their best to seat you in a row where the adjoining seat is vacant so you can raise the armrest and have more room to "spread out." They won't charge for a second seat unless the flight would otherwise be full. But each airline has a different policy, so ASK in order to find the best choice. Try to be flexible about the days/times you fly -- that can make a big difference in getting a flight with available extra seats. Ask the reservation agent to check various flights to see which would be the best bet.

[+ Lucky]

Wouldn't that be pretty uncomfortable with your butt straddling between the two seats and the seatbelt clip jabbing at your hole? Unless you could strap a buttplug in, and then...

[Flower]

>Wow, so can we all assume that your rage against

>discrimination in any form whatsoever, is only limited to when

>you are the one being discriminated against, being forced to

>"endure" others scorn, revulsion, etc.,*****Do these comments mean that you >will now turn in the frock and collar, and stop your "preaching" here?

>

Call me obtuse, but I don't see the "discrimination" here. And certainly it's not even comparable to the examples you offered. Just because an adverse business decision is made by someone you patronize doesn't mean it's "discrimination." There is such an obvious valid business reason to charge 2 people for two seats and 1 person taking up 2 seats the same. It is actually unfair to the 1 seat passenger not to do so. Often when I fly, I am taking file boxes of client's documents that I can not trust to the baggage handlers and need to buy 2 seats--it'd be great if I could get 2 seats for the price of one just because I can use the room or need the room. How is that any different? The people within the average weight range are already subsidizing the person that is way over that weight in the higher fuel costs, the extra seat and other accomodations. Does the fat guy, er, Portly Prince who gets 2 seats for the price of one also get 2 meals on those airlines that still give meals? Think about it.

 

When I ship UPS, I expect to pay more to ship a 20# package than a 10#. With all due respect, it is NOT "discrimination" to have to pay your own "weigh." :+

[BigK]

Continental has been good for me. I am a frequent flyer, and when not automatically upgraded I have planned in advance and have chosen an aisle seat that has moveable aisle armrest. Check the aircraft configuration since not all aisle seats have the movable armrests. You may get knocked a couple of times by the beverage cart, but you don't infringe as badly on your middle seatmate.

 

You should have no problem in First Class. Best Option.

[Boston Guy]

>Wow, so can we all assume that your rage against

>discrimination in any form whatsoever, is only limited to when

>you are the one being discriminated against, being forced to

>"endure" others scorn, revulsion, etc., and being limited to

>those who find your open gayness uncomfortable? How quickly

>you forget the airline policies of evicting AIDS infected

>people off the plane because it was offensive to others during

>the 1980's. Do these comments mean that you will now turn in

>the frock and collar, and stop your "preaching" here?

>

>

 

<sigh> I assume the above is in reference to something, although what that is most certainly isn't clear to me. For the life of me, I have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to "rage against discrimination in any form". Further, sitting next to a large person on a flight seems to me to have nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination; it's simply an uncomfortable situation that must be endured by both people -- both of whom are generally uncomfortable -- and one that I find personally aggravating.

 

But then you leap from that feeling of discomfort to talking about airlines evicting AIDS patients and somehow feel that allows you to accuse me of forgetting discriminatory policies practiced by some of the airlines 20 years ago -- even though that has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were talking about in this thread.

 

Perhaps you missed the point where I wrote "It would seem to me that the airlines need to treat all passengers with respect, regardless of their background or size." Or perhaps that didn't fit into the tirade you were trying to write?

 

BG

[VaHawk]

"Perhaps you missed the point where I wrote "It would seem to me that the airlines need to treat all passengers with respect, regardless of their background or size." Or perhaps that didn't fit into the tirade you were trying to write?"

 

No sir, I did not miss that point, but stating such after you stated that you resent, and find it "uncomfortable" sitting next to an overweight person on a "long flight" with their fat drooping over into your space, while you cowher against the window, is really a moot point? You had already stated such, which statements you chose to ignore in this reply. I reiterate that such an attitude is no different than one expressed by a fellow passenger that would be repulsed and resentful, sitting next to some "God awful, blatantly queer passenger, who may or may not be infected with AIDS".

 

I wasn't engaged in any kind of "tirade", just merely pointing out the very hypocrisy of your post, when you yourself, have railed against the discrimination exercised against gays, in several posts.

[seaboy4hire]

For the love of Mary! When people fly they are paying for the whole seat, the storage under the seat if they are not sitting in bulk and for a few sodas, snack or meal. They are not paying for half a seat or less due to a larger person overfilling into the other persons seat. The airlines are not discrinating against larger people by any means. They are not saying I'm sorry your just too large you can not fly on this airline. They are making larger people buy another seat for safety and eeryones comfort. If a larger person can't deal with that then they shouldn't fly plain and simple. It seems that Ace realizes this and accepts it and my hat goes off to him. I work in a grocery store and I see what many people purchase thin or bigger and honestly I am begining to think that it is the eating habits of a lot of people that get them in this bind. Really does that larger person need that bag of chips, soda and cookies? Before someone jumps in my stuff over that comment cruise the store and look at some of the larger peoples shopping baskets.

 

Hugs,

Greg

Greg Seattle Wa [email protected]

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html http://briefcase.yahoo.com/seaboy4hire

[VaHawk]

>For the love of Mary!

 

And for the love of Jesus, son of Mary, who preached compassion!

 

When people fly they are paying for the

>whole seat, the storage under the seat if they are not sitting

>in bulk and for a few sodas, snack or meal. They are not

>paying for half a seat or less due to a larger person

>overfilling into the other persons seat.

 

Just like the obese person, is paying for his seat, the storage under the seat, etc. and not for the idiots who INSIST on bringing everything but the proverbial "kitchen sink" on board as carry on luggage.

 

So how is someone who is obese, who's "flab" overlaps the ridiculously narrow seats, any more irritating than the assholes who throw their seats into the fully reclined position, knowing full well that the passenger behind them is losing his knee caps and as such can not pull down his tray to hold his meal/drinks?

 

 

>The airlines are not discrinating against larger people by any means. They are not saying I'm sorry your just too large you can not fly on this >airline. They are making larger people buy another seat for safety and eeryones comfort. If a larger person can't deal

>with that then they shouldn't fly plain and simple.

 

And in return, if an AIDS infected person, is broken out in Kaposi's scabs, he should just accept the fact, that he needs to book a private jet to take him to wherever he needs to fly.

 

Sorry, but discrimination is just that, discrimination, and such discrimination can be based on any criteria, whether it is race, sexual orientation, medical necessities or obesity.

 

How about charging twice the price of a ticket for all the people who insist on bringing infants on board, at no charge, and such infants SCREAM and CRY thruout the entire flight? Either shoot the brats full of drugs, put them in a pet cage and throw them in the baggage hold, or make them pay the price of two full coach class seats! I'd pick sitting next to a 400lbs fellow adult passenger, any day, rather than have to listen to SCREAMING infants, flying free, for any flight, regardless of duration!

 

And what is the bullshit, with paraplegics and quadraplegics getting to board and debark first, and requiring more attention from the flight attendants, while their fucking wheelchairs are taking up space? Can't they take a train or better yet, wheel those chairs down the interstate system to get to where they are going?

 

Do I really need to take this farce any further? Don't any of you people get how ugly and discriminating you are being?

 

>Really does that larger person need that bag of

>chips, soda and cookies? Before someone jumps in my stuff over

>that comment cruise the store and look at some of the larger

>peoples shopping baskets.

 

Just do your job, and check them out, without judging them! Since when is it any of your business, what your customers are purchasing, as you have no clue as to whether they are purchasing those goods for their own consumption, or someone else's consumption.

 

For someone who is HIV+ and who escorts, you really have a low tolerance towards others afflicted with different medical problems!

[FourAces]

Wow many diverse thoughts going on here. Anyway, I appreciate the info and like the site I believe BGP suggested as well.

 

Hopefully, I won't run into any real problem or offend the person sitting next to me. My guess is in first class it seems like all should be well from what I've read here. Again, thanks.

 

RT

[seaboy4hire]

First off I do NOT discriminate! I don't care if you are black, white, Asian, Latin, thin, large or what not. As you can see from the last picture or so in my photo gallery my boy friend is not a thin twink. He has a bit of a tummy. Also I have met guys here on the board and else where and at no time have I turned someone away because of their weight or physical attribute. Many do not know that when I was a kid I was over weight and was constantly teased growing up not just by my peers but by my family who is also over weight. So I know what it is like to be discriminated against. To fix the situation I changed my eating habits. I cut down on Mc Donalds and junk food and became more active. It is amazing what a good brisk walk and a physical job can do. I do not see how it is discrimination to make someone who is taking up two seats pay for those seats. Aces I am sorry that Vahawk has decided to try to hijack your post on an important topic.

 

Hugs,

Greg

Greg Seattle Wa [email protected]

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html http://briefcase.yahoo.com/seaboy4hire

[happyguy2]

Hi!

 

I have a very close friend who is about your size. I just got back today from a business trip that I made with him. Here is what I have observed in his dealings with airlines, as I do travel with him often.

 

1. He is a very gracious person, very polite and always kind to everyone. He always tries to travel in First Class. He never has a problem there - and from what I have seen, few fellow travellers in that cabin ever seem to have trouble with him.

 

When he boards, he tells the attendant what seat he is in and asks for an extension to the seatbelt. From what I have seen, he is always treated with respect and consideration by the attendants - no doubt because of his extraordinarily kind personality.

 

Once, for some reason, he told me that the First Class seat he was in was very small, much smaller than usual. The seat reclined constantly because his leg pushed up against the recline button. He immediately went up to the attendant, and expressed his regret and embarrassment, stating that it would really be unkind to other passengers. He asked if he could find two seats in coach. Instead, she explained that the plane was narrower in the first rows, so she asked the passenger in the last row of Frist Class if she would change, explaining the circumstances. They thanked him for his considerate nature, and went out of their way to see he was not embarrassed.

 

2. When there is no First Class on a flight, he always explains that he is a big guy and asks to purchase the other seat. Most often, they sell him a second seat at about half price (unless it is a seat sale, when he has to pay the full bargain price). He gets two boarding cards, the second one reads "for personal comfort".

 

 

I am not sure if this is of any help, but from where I sit, it is his upfront approach and his overall great personality and concern for everyone else - that seems to help him out the most. (I realize that what I am about to say is off topic, but it is somewhat related: Despite his size, he has no trouble finding sex partners and he is quite appealing. He has a real nack for 'connecting' with people.)

 

 

So, go First or try for the extra seat, most airlines seem to charge half price for the second one. Good Luck. Hope this helps!

 

hg

[Boston Guy]

>"Perhaps you missed the point where I wrote "It would seem to

>me that the airlines need to treat all passengers with

>respect, regardless of their background or size." Or perhaps

>that didn't fit into the tirade you were trying to write?"

>

>No sir, I did not miss that point, but stating such after you

>stated that you resent, and find it "uncomfortable" sitting

>next to an overweight person on a "long flight" with their fat

>drooping over into your space, while you cowher against the

>window, is really a moot point? You had already stated such,

>which statements you chose to ignore in this reply. I

>reiterate that such an attitude is no different than one

>expressed by a fellow passenger that would be repulsed and

>resentful, sitting next to some "God awful, blatantly queer

>passenger, who may or may not be infected with AIDS".

>

>I wasn't engaged in any kind of "tirade", just merely pointing

>out the very hypocrisy of your post, when you yourself, have

>railed against the discrimination exercised against gays, in

>several posts.

>

>

 

OK, I'll try once more to put this in terms that even you will understand.

 

Discrimination is the different treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice. It can occur on the basis of many things and is often illegal. Even when not illegal, it is often wrong and shouldn't be practiced. However, there are forms of discrimination that we accept and sometimes value. For example, merit-based scholarships are based on discrimination of the basis of achievement test scores.

 

Key to all forms of discrimination is different treatment based on some characteristic, such as age, race or sex. Fat people (who today often insist on being called "fat" instead of having other euphemisms used on their behalf) face all kinds of discrimination on a daily basis, much of which I'm sure is uncomfortable and unfair. Unfortunately, thin people often believe, consciously or unconsciously, that a fat person could solve their problem by "simply" losing weight and point out how much the fat people they see are eating. Where the truth lies on that score will vary from person to person.

 

All of that having been said, my feeling of discomfort at sharing a multi-hour flight in an already small seat that has been further reduced in size due to the size of the person sitting next to me has nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination. Instead, it's a matter of comfort. In order to allow the person in the middle seat to have as much room as possible, I try to lean against the window, not vie for the armrest, and generally give them as much space as I physically can. But there's not much room in coach seats and we both end up with more physical contact than either would probably prefer. And I can't see how the fat person can possibly feel comfortable sitting for hours with two armrests digging into their sides.

 

It would be discrimination on my part if I refused to sit next to a fat person and demanded that they or I be given a different seat. It might be discrimination if I argued that airlines should treat fat people differently, depending on the nature of the argument.

 

But it's not discrimination to acknowledge that being squeezed further into an already-small space by a large seatmate is uncomfortable. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything other than the room for both of us to fit in.

 

I have had fat seatmates who were fun and interesting and fat seatmates who slept and fat seatmates who were boring, just like other travellers. The only thing they had in common was their size.

 

If you don't understand the above, that's ok. Just go on with your tirade and the rest of us will see it for what it is.

 

BG

[bigguyinpasadena]

HappyGuy thank you for your VERY thoughtful and sane post.

I always ask to be put next to an empty seat when flying in coach-sometimes this happens,sometimes not.If I sit next to someone I ask for an Aisle-usually granted.

All plane seats are not created equal-I have no problem on wide body planes with decent seat width,and on many of the AirBuss planes-in fact on the AirBuss 320 I do not even need an extender.

I try to limit my flying to those planes which provide a little more room for my fat ass.

I am a very clean and well mannered person.I do not twitch,listen to my music in a manner that is obtrusive to other passengers,I do not have a medical condition which causes me extreme flatulence,I do not scream,kick the back of the seat in front of me or stare and drool on the passenger behind me,I do not require toys or personal items to be retrived from the overhad bin througout the flight,I do not sneeze or cough upon my fellow passengers,I do not get jiggy with my seatmates with no thought of who I might be offending,I do not get drunk on flights,I do not engage my seatmates in unwelcome conversations,I close my window slide when my seatmates are trying to sleep,I do not find it nessecery to run up and down the aisle of a plane visiting with family or friends.

I have been subjected to ALL of the above on planes-and you are going to bitch because my fat might touch you?

[bigguyinpasadena]

HappyGuy thank you for your VERY thoughtful and sane post.

I always ask to be put next to an empty seat when flying in coach-sometimes this happens,sometimes not.If I sit next to someone I ask for an Aisle-usually granted.

All plane seats are not created equal-I have no problem on wide body planes with decent seat width,and on many of the AirBuss planes-in fact on the AirBuss 320 I do not even need an extender.

I try to limit my flying to those planes which provide a little more room for my fat ass.

I am a very clean and well mannered person.I do not twitch,listen to my music in a manner that is obtrusive to other passengers,I do not have a medical condition which causes me extreme flatulence,I do not scream,kick the back of the seat in front of me or stare and drool on the passenger behind me,I do not require toys or personal items to be retrived from the overhad bin througout the flight,I do not sneeze or cough upon my fellow passengers,I do not get jiggy with my seatmates with no thought of who I might be offending,I do not get drunk on flights,I do not engage my seatmates in unwelcome conversations,I close my window slide when my seatmates are trying to sleep,I do not find it nessecery to run up and down the aisle of a plane visiting with family or friends.

I have been subjected to ALL of the above on planes-and you are going to bitch because my fat might touch you?

[happyguy2]

Hey Big Guy,

 

Was your post ever interesting!!! I had never thought of it, but I have seen everything you posted exhibited by passengers - and I suspect you are right, their ugly behaviour is not so outwardly rejected by the cabin as is the plight of the oversized.

 

Although, BTW, I must admit that I secretly roll my eyes when I see these inconsiderate people being so obnoxious to the rest of us. Thanks for reminding us that there are all sorts of other situations which are far more terrible to deal with than size!

 

(Off topic, I enjoy all your posts about Montreal - as I am a more recently "turned-on" to Montreal fan. Hopefully, someday we might find ourselves there at the same time)

 

 

Thanks again!

hg

[happyguy2]

Hey Big Guy,

 

Was your post ever interesting!!! I had never thought of it, but I have seen everything you posted exhibited by passengers - and I suspect you are right, their ugly behaviour is not so outwardly rejected by the cabin as is the plight of the oversized.

 

Although, BTW, I must admit that I secretly roll my eyes when I see these inconsiderate people being so obnoxious to the rest of us. Thanks for reminding us that there are all sorts of other situations which are far more terrible to deal with than size!

 

(Off topic, I enjoy all your posts about Montreal - as I am a more recently "turned-on" to Montreal fan. Hopefully, someday we might find ourselves there at the same time)

 

 

Thanks again!

hg

[Guest bighugbearphx]

>Wow many diverse thoughts going on here. Anyway, I appreciate

>the info and like the site I believe BGP suggested as well.

 

Glad I could help.

 

One more suggestion: I recently made a 5 hr plane trip, and noticed that the coach fare on American (on that route) was a particular bargain, though they flew a 757 and those seats are notoriously narrow. So, I invited a rather slim friend of mine to come along, paid for his ticket too, and we both rode comfortably with the seat divider raised. The cost of the two sale coach tickets was less than what I would have paid for one regular coach ticket on another airline, and much less than a first class ticket. And I had company for the trip!