How many Scams does it Take???

[Chuck50]

The review of Anthony Holloway today is just another example of someone who didnt listen to the advice of this board. Thinking with the little head instead of the big head. Anthony has more than his fair share of bad reviews and can't not for the life of me figure out why someone would trust him. Maybe we need to go back to the Flag and Gun Image. Oh well my 3 cents worth. HUGS Chuck

[Candyman]

If more than half the country was stupid enough to vote for Bush why would you be surprised that Anthony can keep getting away with his scams. Sometimes you get what you deserve x(

[Guest skrubber]

I was suprised to see a review of Anthony this morning, thinking to myself - "Somebody actually hired this guy?" Then I saw the answer to reviewed before was No so it may be that the author had not seen his prior reviews.

[Guest RandyRon]

Reading the Holloway review reminded me of watching "Amercia's Most Wanted" last night. In that program, the mother of a man who was charged with raping her daughter and molesting a little girl came to her home and she let him in to talk. He then proceeded to tie her up, throw her down a flight of stairs, and put her in the car trunk. The whole time I kept thinking "this has to be the dumbest woman I've ever seen."

 

I have never had an escort ask for the money up front but if I run into one who does, you can bet I'll take a pass. The thing that mystifies me is that this guy can still stay in business.

 

I guess "there's one born every minute" is pretty close to the truth.

[eastbayguy]

>I have never had an escort ask for the money up front but if I

>run into one who does, you can bet I'll take a pass. The

>thing that mystifies me is that this guy can still stay in

>business.

>

>I guess "there's one born every minute" is pretty close to the

>truth.

 

When the "...one born every minute" phrase was coined, the birth rate was much, much lower. The population was smaller overall, fewer births, etc. Now days, it must be more like one every few seconds.

 

--EBG

[+ deej]

>I saw the answer to reviewed before was No so it may be that

>the author had not seen his prior reviews.

 

And yet he knew enough to post a bad review, with no mention in the review that he's read the previous reviews EVEN NOW.

 

I've heard WAY more reports of exactly the behavior described in this review than ever get reported here. Having to "go to the car" is one of the oldest tricks in the book! The sad part is that most of the reports I hear (through other escorts) never get reported here because guys are either too embarrassed to admit getting taken or don't want to go through Hooboy's verification process.

 

This site is serving its purpose if it shines a spotlight on these practitioners. But they're like cockroaches: impossible to eradicate.

 

P.T. Barnum was right. There really is a sucker born every minute.

[LovesYng]

All Top4u had to do was read the reviews on AH

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/anthonyholloway.html

 

And read some of the threads on AH

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=43319&mesg_id=43319&page=19

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=39319&mesg_id=39319&page=37

 

Come on guys, do your homework before you hire someone. Yes he is very hot and I would love to roll in the sack with him. STOP thinking with your other head and check them out first. This site has turned into a gold mine for me when looking for a hot guys :9 THANKS HOOBOY :*

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[woodlawn]

>I've heard WAY more reports of exactly the behavior described

>in this review than ever get reported here. Having to "go to

>the car" is one of the oldest tricks in the book! The sad part

>is that most of the reports I hear (through other escorts)

>never get reported here because guys are either too

>embarrassed to admit getting taken or don't want to go through

>Hooboy's verification process.

 

>This site is serving its purpose

 

Apparently not. If you are correct in saying that there are many more examples of this sort of scam than ever get reported here, it should be obvious that there is something lacking in the review system. If the verification process, as you suggest, has the effect of discouraging people from sharing information that really would be of benefit to visitors to this site, then the process is self-defeating and needs to be altered.

[eastbayguy]

>Apparently not. If you are correct in saying that there are

>many more examples of this sort of scam than ever get reported

>here, it should be obvious that there is something lacking in

>the review system. If the verification process, as you

>suggest, has the effect of discouraging people from sharing

>information that really would be of benefit to visitors to

>this site, then the process is self-defeating and needs to be

>altered.

 

Possibly the issue is that people who get burned by an escort don't find their way to this site until the after some bad experience. I've never used the search engines to find this site, haven't paid attention to which escort sites have links to here and so forth. When you get burned, you may be a little more aggressive in using the tools at hand to find out what happened. So, after the fact, you find your way here.

 

Seems like almost everyone has been burned by an adult site. Years after canceling, to this day, I get occasional billing attempts from a certain adult site I canceled in the late 90s. Having been around these parts a while, I don't lump Hoo and the other site operators here as being really part of that genre. But, I can see how a newbie might.

 

Regulars here may believe that the escort universe revolves around this site. I grant that the influence is large and growing. Incidents like this one point out that an awful lot of escorts and customers have not found their way here just yet. To bad for this guy. Glad he posted his experience. Wish he'd found his way here sooner.

 

--EBG

[Bilbo]

It hits me like internalized homophobia. Some people may have a need to prove to themselves that they are no good, or that other men who have sex with men are no good or both. So, their subconscious chooses for them the type of encounter which will help prove it to them.

 

And, no, I am not a psychiatrist. Nor am I speculating on just one person. I am a person who deals with intentionality and motivations in my professional life. In that way only is this a professional opinion.

[+ deej]

>If the verification process, as you

>suggest, has the effect of discouraging people from sharing

>information that really would be of benefit to visitors to

>this site, then the process is self-defeating and needs to be

>altered.

 

I've never said otherwise. I do, however, acknowledge the hard work and genuine desire for improvement that honed the process this far. And I won't advocate throwing out the baby with the bathwater without a solid alternate suggestion. That wouldn't be very prudent, now would it?

 

If you have a better idea, feel free to either share it or open your own competing site. You wouldn't be the first to try, and you likely wouldn't be the first to fail because of course your assumption is that your brilliant idea hasn't been tried before and discarded as unworkable when that's exactly what has happened.

[woodlawn]

>>If the verification process, as you

>>suggest, has the effect of discouraging people from sharing

>>information that really would be of benefit to visitors to

>>this site, then the process is self-defeating and needs to

>be altered.

 

> And I won't advocate throwing out the baby with the

>bathwater without a solid alternate suggestion. That wouldn't

>be very prudent, now would it?

 

I don't see any post in this thread advocating "throwing out" the current process. Do you see one?

 

>If you have a better idea, feel free to either share it or

>open your own competing site. You wouldn't be the first to

>try, and you likely wouldn't be the first to fail because of

>course your assumption is that your brilliant idea hasn't been

>tried before and discarded as unworkable when that's exactly

>what has happened.

 

I haven't said I have any ideas, brilliant or otherwise, so you are, not for the first time, simply making shit up. The notion that there are people being victimized by AH-like scams who do not submit reviews here because they don't want to comply with the verification process is one that YOU proposed -- it doesn't come from me, remember? I don't know whether it's true or not. But you claim it is true, so let's assume it is. My only contribution is to point out that if it is true, then the verification process is clearly keeping information away from this site that is exactly the sort of information the site exists to disseminate. If you believe that, it's a little odd to say that the site is doing its job.

 

No one can suggest any improvements to the verification process unless all of the details of the current process are first made clear. If you think the process could stand improvement, why not post a detailed description of it here and solicit opinions on how to improve it so that more people feel comfortable sharing the kind of information this site exists to provide?

[+ deej]

>I don't see any post in this thread advocating "throwing out"

>the current process. Do you see one?

 

Your words:

 

"the process is self-defeating and needs to be altered"

 

Go ahead and deny it. It's still there for everyone to read.

[+ glutes]

The sad part

>is that most of the reports I hear (through other escorts)

>never get reported here because guys are either too

>embarrassed to admit getting taken or don't want to go through

>Hooboy's verification process.

 

 

I have been taken, and posted about them: SF Twink Scam, Aaron Westin, Mr. William, and Marchelo.

Embarrassed no, but then the posts were either twisted/doubted, flamed, or simply hijacked. I did my part, let the chips fall where they may.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

LovesYng couldn't be more correct~

 

As quoted by Chuck50, 'Do your homework.' While possible that even a well-reviewed escort can have an off day, it's more likely that a guy with great reviews is going to provide a great time.

 

Without even considering his numerous negative reviews, i've had people close to me express their personal distrust of AH, due not only to his devious escorting ways, but also concerning his public pics which are said to look nothing like him in real life.

 

If HB still put the little 'warning' icon up, AH would be the best next canidate for the stamping.

 

Be careful guys. It's been said before, but also try thinking with your brain when deciding who to blow hundereds of dollars on. Anything less would be just as smart as flushing the cash down the toilet and watching it swirl away.

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[woodlawn]

>>I don't see any post in this thread advocating "throwing

>out"

>>the current process. Do you see one?

 

>Your words:

>

>"the process is self-defeating and needs to be altered"

>

>Go ahead and deny it. It's still there for everyone to read.

 

In what dialect of English does "throwing out" mean the same as "altered"? That's a stretch even for you.