The dumb shit men say when they don't like you upon arrival

[Mocha]

Not trying to fight or anything, but it's been like the dumbest thing all year. Its so dumb it's almost laughable. And anyone thinking about getting into escorting ought know the best way to deal with dumb shit when dumb shit presents itself.

 

Client was giving me the run around all day. Trying to set up the appointment was sketchy. Kept changing the times, not giving me name and room number as requested on 2 occasions. However, he called me and we spoke the night before. Sounded reasonable. The hotel he asked me to meet also sounded reasonable.

 

Well I get there, lobby doors are locked. I hate that. He should have KNOWN that the doors would be locked before I got there. Why do I need to call them again to tell them that. Then, I'm sitting out there looking like a goddamn fool at 12:30 at night. And this is downtown hotel, I'm looking real suspicious and embarrassed. I see someone walking around the side, out of nowhere. The stranger walks right past me. I'm phoned my client, no answer. 10 minutes later he texts that he was outside but didn't see me.

 

Finally, after a couple guests walk thru, I was like fuck it...I'm going in. I go up to the room number, it's the stranger who walked past me! He's standing at the door acting like he doesn't even know me. Then says, he thought I was a girl! I walked into the room and I was like, you better give me some money to compensate me for this bullshit. He tries to say $20, I said no $50. He gave it to me and I walked the fuck out. On the way out, a security/police was walking in. I'm sure they were watching me the whole time. Whew...things coulda got nasty. Luckily, I try to keep it professional so it doesn't get to that point.

 

This is why I always insist on name and room number. And in this case, I bet he probably thought I was a White guy or something and then changed his mind. Once in awhile it happens, I've even had someone say it to me before. I don't know how or why they'd think that. But I guess I have to make it more clear because you can't put anything past anyone. There's no way in hell he could have thought I was a girl. This also why sometimes big clown circus music fests aren't good for business because all the numpties and fuck jobs come to town.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Maybe you need to scale down your wig and make up.

[Beancounter]

There's 30 seconds I'll never get back in my life. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out the point you're trying to make.

[LookingAround]

Well, I know who never to consider hiring.

[LADoug1]

I think this a valid post. Some of it is confusing though. Not sure why others reacted the way they did.

[LookingAround]

Maybe you should reread it.

[Beancounter]

I think this a valid post. Some of it is confusing though. Not sure why others reacted the way they did.

 

Because the rest of us see it for what it is...a self-serving rant!

[+ José Soplanucas]

I was just making a clean joke

[humboldt]

@Mocha , maybe you need a break from escorting. You seem unhappy.

[MikeBiDude]

@Mocha , maybe you need a break from escorting. You seem unhappy.

I wonder if Mocha would ever get a client from these forum? So negative, I'd have zero interest. Total turn off, and disdain for clients in general. At least he's upfront and honest.

[+ José Soplanucas]

@Mocha what exactly what you wearing that he thought you were a girl?

I won't judge... a guy in a miniskirt and thigh high stocking is a hot fantasy but maybe too much for someone you just met

 

Anyhoo are your photos accurate representation of yourself or dated or I'm guessing he just didnt like what he saw in person.

 

Anyhoo someone on here gave me some great advice, he said don't rant about every bad experience you get yourself by escorting. Im still learning to fully do this but I'm getting better at it ,

 

Escorting offers big reward but big risk too, these unfortunate bad instances will keep happening unfortunately whether u like it or not

 

I just had a hard on picturing Mocha cross dressed, with a very short and tight skirt.

[BabyBoomer]

I just had a hard on picturing Mocha cross dressed, with a very short and tight skirt.

 

And a blonde wig.

 

~ Boomer ~

[Bearofdistinction]

I wonder if Mocha would ever get a client from these forum? So negative, I'd have zero interest. Total turn off, and disdain for clients in general. At least he's upfront and honest.

+247, 586

[LADoug1]

+247, 586

What do these numbers mean?

[+ sf westcoaster]

Poor Mocha, he can't ever seem to escape the heavy, dark clouds that follow him every where.

[MikeBiDude]

Poor Mocha, he can't ever seem to escape the heavy, dark clouds that follow him every where.

[Irtwo]

Every time Mocha posts he seems to get a lot of flack. I'm not sure why, unless there is something going on behind the scenes that I'm unaware of. I find his posts interesting. He shares a lot of details of things he goes through on his daily escort work and brings up real life issues.

[LivingnLA]

@Mocha, he sounds like a crap client. Totally unprofessional and inconsiderate of you and your time.

 

As a very cautious client--now--I never ever give out my real name nor would I give my room number. I follow advice from this forum about meeting in a hotel lobby or bar, assessing the escort, letting them assess me, and then deciding from there if we're enough of a match to go upstairs.

 

Be well and please continue to share your thoughts and experiences here. They are a valuable part of the forum. I would encourage you to think about the tone of your posts though. Branding is everything and since this forum is predominately populated by vociferous clients and lurking escorts, it becomes a part of your public brand. Perceived negativity is almost always a turn-off.

[+ not2rowdy]

Every time Mocha posts he seems to get a lot of flack. I'm not sure why, unless there is something going on behind the scenes that I'm unaware of. I find his posts interesting. He shares a lot of details of things he goes through on his daily escort work and brings up real life issues.

 

There is a tendency by clients to not want to hear about the more unpleasant aspects of the business. It impacts our fantasy that everything is so glamorous. Our psyche is typically skewed towards always being about “us” and not recognizing there is also a “them” in the equation too.

 

So when that fantasy is disturbed the response is to push back. Kind of an “eating our young” response - don’t disturb the fantasy.

 

@Mocha has always spoken his mind. So does @Michael Wayne. There have been others that have too. Unfortunately the fantasy world that exists here has pushed back on them to the extent they have ceased to contribute. And the fantasy world licks its chops. But I think it is a loss to the forum and the community when that happens.

 

In the interest of full disclosure I’m probably one of the very few forum members who’s actually had sessions with Mocha. I wrote a review which is posted. Although I haven’t hired him for a couple of years now I continue to see him in platonic social settings. The last was only about a month ago. I enjoy the discussions we have.

 

P.S. IRT [uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER]: I can not imagine any conceivable situation where Mocha could be confused for girl - he has a beard.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I agree, @Mocha gets a lot of backlash pretty often. So I feel the need to underline again that I was joking at the beginning trying to play with the ridiculous client excuse. But Dominiking open my eyes and I stopped joking. I think Mocha is very attractive. I am damn serious when I say I would hire him in a blink if he is willing to cross dress and bottom for me. Oops, the boner is back.

[LivingnLA]

There is a tendency by clients to not want to hear about the more unpleasant aspects of the business. It impacts our fantasy that everything is so glamorous. Our psyche is typically skewed towards always being about “us” and not recognizing there is also a “them” in the equation too.

 

So when that fantasy is disturbed the response is to push back. Kind of an “eating our young” response - don’t disturb the fantasy.

 

@Mocha has always spoken his mind. So does @Michael Wayne. There have been others that have too. Unfortunately the fantasy world that exists here has pushed back on them to the extent they have ceased to contribute. And the fantasy world licks its chops. But I think it is a loss to the forum and the community when that happens.

 

In the interest of full disclosure I’m probably one of the very few forum members who’s actually had sessions with Mocha. I wrote a review which is posted. Although I haven’t hired him for a couple of years now I continue to see him in platonic social settings. The last was only about a month ago. I enjoy the discussions we have.

 

P.S. IRT [uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER]: I can not imagine any conceivable situation where Mocha could be confused for girl - he has a beard.

 

I'm sure that's part of it. Another part, which we aren't explicitly acknowledging is racism. I haven't seen @Mocha's profile, but his avatar pic on the forum is mocha sepia toned, so his racial heritage is unclear. If the client thought he was meeting a white or latino guy and then saw a lite-skinned person of African decent, they might've changed their mind. Since guys are so visually oriented, it can be jarring for a client when the reality doesn't live up to the fantasy assumptions based on the pics and profile.

[+ not2rowdy]

He has mentioned racism in various threads - several times. I certainly don't want to be putting words in his mouth or representing him out of context. But I think I'm on firm ground to say there is certainly some validity to that racism aspect in his mind (and mine too).

 

Although he possesses a complex racial heritage the overriding genetic makeup is fairly obvious to those contacting him through his ads.

 

I think it's inappropriate for me to link his forum name to his ads. That should be his decision.

[MrMattBig]

@Mocha I completely understand how you must feel. As sad as it sounds, these things happen all the time. You are not alone. I am very fortunate to have a good support system/ friend that is always a listening ear and there to keep me on the right track when I become gullible.

 

Maybe some escorts have never encountered any issue similar to this, but I have and I know a few others that have as well.

 

Don't feel bad. People are people. There are many clients that are amazing people and easy going. However there are people that have no intention on ever hiring you but are willing to go great lengths and play games.

 

If you need any help or have questions text or call me. I am always here to listen. Just clear your mind and don't let negative and disrespectfull people get under your skin. Just keep being you.

[Nvr2Thick]

Not trying to fight or anything, but it's been like the dumbest thing all year. Its so dumb it's almost laughable. And anyone thinking about getting into escorting ought know the best way to deal with dumb shit when dumb shit presents itself.

 

Client was giving me the run around all day. Trying to set up the appointment was sketchy. Kept changing the times, not giving me name and room number as requested on 2 occasions. However, he called me and we spoke the night before. Sounded reasonable. The hotel he asked me to meet also sounded reasonable.

 

Well I get there, lobby doors are locked. I hate that. He should have KNOWN that the doors would be locked before I got there. Why do I need to call them again to tell them that. Then, I'm sitting out there looking like a goddamn fool at 12:30 at night. And this is downtown hotel, I'm looking real suspicious and embarrassed. I see someone walking around the side, out of nowhere. The stranger walks right past me. I'm phoned my client, no answer. 10 minutes later he texts that he was outside but didn't see me.

 

Finally, after a couple guests walk thru, I was like fuck it...I'm going in. I go up to the room number, it's the stranger who walked past me! He's standing at the door acting like he doesn't even know me. Then says, he thought I was a girl! I walked into the room and I was like, you better give me some money to compensate me for this bullshit. He tries to say $20, I said no $50. He gave it to me and I walked the fuck out. On the way out, a security/police was walking in. I'm sure they were watching me the whole time. Whew...things coulda got nasty. Luckily, I try to keep it professional so it doesn't get to that point.

 

This is why I always insist on name and room number. And in this case, I bet he probably thought I was a White guy or something and then changed his mind. Once in awhile it happens, I've even had someone say it to me before. I don't know how or why they'd think that. But I guess I have to make it more clear because you can't put anything past anyone. There's no way in hell he could have thought I was a girl. This also why sometimes big clown circus music fests aren't good for business because all the numpties and fuck jobs come to town.

 

I get this with hookups. You can't read everyone's minds, but I chalk up many of these experiences to guys who don't know how to say no. A guy will start out interested. For some reason he'll lose that interest. Maybe when he initiated contact he was caught up in the fantasy, and then he became apathetic as it started to get real. That's my assumption of his mindset as he starts to get non-committal. I'm still pursuing because part of his response will still imply interest, but I'm the one trying to drive to a conclusion. Because I'm still interested I try to help us both out and make things happen. We agree to meet and he doesn't show. We agree to meet and he doesn't answer the door. We agree to meet and I'm at the wrong room or apartment number. I'm very good at taking no for an answer; I know I don't push once a guy says he's not interested. Why would anyone bother to take an arrangement this far?

 

Here's an example: I like to meet rough trade guys on Craigslist, looking for hung guys who like no strings, no reciprocation cocksucking. I post two "personals" ads - one under the Men Seeking Men section, and one under the Casual Encounters M4M section, because they're both used for pretty much the same thing in spite of CL's intent. I get a response from a married guy who works about five miles away from me. He's looking to meet in a parking lot and get blown in his car. We agree on the basics of appearance and intent, and he even hauls out his dick for a fresh pic in his office, but I say I don't do car scenes and we can meet at my place - either in my house or my detached garage, his choice. He doesn't say no, but he insists he has a great safe place to park. I tell him to come by my place, it will be quick fun and safe. He explains that the parking lot is the hospital up the road, and that the back row has a great view if anyone comes our way, and that only the staff parks there so it doesn't get much traffic until shifts change. I really don't want to do a car scene, and I know that hospitals have better security than you realize, including cameras. I offer that he can kick back in my bedroom, living room with porn, screen porch, or the beat up office chair in my garage/workshop. He says "Garage sounds really nice, what's your address?" I give him my address, he says he'll come by in 15-20 minutes. No show, and he stops responding to e-mail.

 

Thirty minutes later I get a response on my other ad from the same guy. He's a bit clueless; he puts his full name in his gmail account, so even though it goes through Craigslist e-mail responder I keep seeing his full name. I, on the other hand, use different e-mail addresses for the ads in different CL sections. I give him an accurate description, but I phrase it differently and use long sentences instead of bullet points. I express interest in sucking him in his car and he says he'll be finishing up lunch and can meet me at this great parking lot - the hospital. I had half a mind to meet him and call bullshit, but what's the point in creating drama? He had happened to mention that he's eating Italian food. I tell him I've got a good response from a really promising hung black guy, and that I'm going to go with that guy instead, and I wish him well. He's cool with it. I jump in my car, rush up to the only decent Italian restaurant in the area in time to see him leave the restaurant. I know it's him from the pants and shirt match on his dick pic, and the Internet stalking I've been able to do using the name from his e-mail. Turns out too that his wife is a radiology tech at the hospital where he wants to get a BJ in the parking lot. Long story, but again, why would you continue to express interest and agree to meet if you really don't want to? Why would you get someone's address, say see you soon, and then go out to lunch? I think that there are some commonalities between a client looking for an escort and a guy looking to hookup. In some cases I think we're meeting guys who, for whatever reason, don't know how to say no.

 

Unless you've been getting some measure of success with client situations that start with "Trying to set up the appointment was sketchy. Kept changing the times, not giving me name and room number as requested on 2 occasions" I'd start going with my instincts on these. I wouldn't put much thought into that client saying he thought you were a girl. You busted him and he couldn't think on his feet with a decent lie.

[MiamiLooker]

I jump in my car, rush up to the only decent Italian restaurant in the area in time to see him leave the restaurant.

As you were driving there, did you know what your reaction was going to be when you saw him at the restaurant?