An athlete is going to jail for rape? April Fools?

[LivingnLA]

No doubt, but what if he had been a friend or if they had been members of the swimming team?

 

Well, as they were grad students and he was a freshman, it's unlikely they were friends and grad students don't tend to do sports. They might've been a TA of one of his classes, but your point is received. All I'm saying, is it's also important to recognize when guys do the right thing too.

[marylander1940]

His father just suggested he could do a "Bristol Palin" and teach kids not to do what he did... I wonder if his daughter had been raped by a guy who could have dated her and have sex on the 2nd or 3rd date but decided to raped her instead he'd be saying the same things.

 

Obviously it was his first time... Whoever came out with that phrase should be paid royalties.

 

Thank God he's not Mexican or black, if he was all of them would be asked questions about this and be considered rapists, Trump would certainly said it and lot of folks in Appalachia and the South would agree just to feel good about themselves without moving their fat asses off their sofas.

 

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/05/3784913/stanford-sexual-assault-dad-letter/

 

https://twitter.com/mldauber/status/739320585222660096?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

"[The idea of] comparing recreational and intercollegiate athletes — that's filling a gap. That’s really important," said Kristy McCray, an assistant professor of health and sport sciences at Otterbein University in Westerville, Ohio. "This idea of engaging in athletic behavior, even if you’re not on an [intercollegiate] team — just being in a sports culture — is really interesting."

 

At that same time, it was not surprising.

 

"Sports are a hypermasculine endeavor, and there’s a lot that connects hypermasculinity to violence," said McCray, who was not part of the research team.

 

Young says the athletic departments at five universities were contacted, but only one agreed to participate in the survey.

 

"They were being protective of their athletes," she said, "because the topics are so sensitive."

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-shocking-number-of-college-men-surveyed-admit-coercing-a-partner-into-sex/ar-BBtQ3HN?ocid=spartanntp

Edited June 6, 2016 by marylander1940

[mike carey]

That was a lame attempt at a joke. The whole job creators propaganda is a diversionary tactic.

Damn, please add LOL next time!

Well, he was issuing a put down to a group he had just described himself as belonging to. Kinda shouts out as irony!

[marylander1940]

Well, he was issuing a put down to a group he had just described himself as belonging to. Kinda shouts out as irony!

 

It's old news now...

[marylander1940]

Yeah, that's really crazy. I don't understand rape at all. First of all, you'd think someone like him could get it for free. Second, even if he weren't able to get it for free, why not just hire a prostitute? Isn't consensual sex tons more satisfying than doing it with an unconscious body? Is it really worth throwing away your life at the age of 20? Just plain nuts, to me.

 

Exactly, there's never an excuse but in his case: buy a couple of dinners!

 

In this other case rape happen because he kept hearing about guys doing it (roofie) and getting away with it, and he couldn't get it as a nice guy.

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/real-charlies-angels-if-you-see-something-say-something-to-stop-rape.114836/

 

3 Women Credited With Stopping Potential Sexual Assault

 

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kabc/images/cms/1361214_630x354.jpg

 

Three California women are being credited for stopping a potential sexual assault attempt after they said they spoke out about a man who appeared to be putting something into a woman's drink.

 

Sonia Ulrich, Marla Saltzer and Monica Kenyon said they were at a Santa Monica hotel for happy hour last Thursday when Kenyon first noticed a man and a woman at a nearby table who appeared to be on a date.

 

The women told ABC News they noticed the man acting “pretty suspicious” when his female companion left the table to go to the restroom.

 

“I thought he was trying to lace her drink,” Kenyon said. “He for sure dropped something into her drink.”

 

The friends took action, with one of them following the woman into the bathroom to let her know what she and her friends believed to have just seen.

 

“It was a weird, awkward thing to be like, ‘Hi, I know this is really weird but we saw the guy you were with put something in your drink,” Ulrich said of talking to the stranger in the restroom. “She said, ‘He’s one of my best friends.’”

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/3-women-credited-stopping-potential-sexual-assault-162204783--abc-news-topstories.html

 

In the case of Josh Duggar because he was traumatized about sin/sex so he raped his sister and his dad while campaigning for state senator and advocating death penalty for rapist yet he ignored his son raping his own daughters. Didn't God ask Abraham to sacrifice his own son Ismael? I'm shocked he thinks of his own life as part of the Bible yet he never thought God was testing his death penalty for rapists' commitment.

 

[mike carey]

Got it. If I can't comment straight away shut the fuck up. Time zones are a thing, as set out in the 4am e-mail thread, not everyone is awake at the same time.

[marylander1940]

Got it. If I can't comment straight away shut the fuck up. Time zones are a thing, as set out in the 4am e-mail thread, not everyone is awake at the same time.

 

Wow...

[Mikegaite]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.xjRe3a4R5#.tcBlEB4KN

 

Here's more info on the case, including testimony from the victim herself.

[LivingnLA]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.xjRe3a4R5#.tcBlEB4KN

 

Here's more info on the case, including testimony from the victim herself.

 

Yes, the full text of her statement is powerful. Brock Allen Turner is a rapist, period. His dad is a tool too because instead of being grateful for the very light sentence, he's complaining about how it's too much for his poor son who can't eat his favorite ribeyes right now. Dan A. Turner is an entitled ungrateful moron in my book.

[Nvr2Thick]

Yes, the full text of her statement is powerful. Brock Allen Turner is a rapist, period. His dad is a tool too because instead of being grateful for the very light sentence, he's complaining about how it's too much for his poor son who can't eat his favorite ribeyes right now. Dan A. Turner is an entitled ungrateful moron in my book.

 

The spin that the rapist, father, and attorney put on this was incredible. They paint him as being the victim - of his own crime. The judge supports this position as well. His sentencing addresses the criminal as the victim and ignores the actual victim entirely.

 

If this guy is back on campus next year women should start carrying mace and hitting him with it spontaneously and at random. Imagine if the woman next to him in class suddenly shrieks, "Oh my God! Get away, get away!" and sprays him in the face with mace. Then it happens again when he's walking in a hallway or on a sidewalk, or when he's out at a bar, or in the bookstore. Any woman in his presence might take the opportunity to defend herself because she feels threatened by his demeanor or his movements -- because of his reputation.

[LivingnLA]

The spin that the rapist, father, and attorney put on this was incredible. They paint him as being the victim - of his own crime. The judge supports this position as well. His sentencing addresses the criminal as the victim and ignores the actual victim entirely.

 

If this guy is back on campus next year women should start carrying mace and hitting him with it spontaneously and at random. Imagine if the woman next to him in class suddenly shrieks, "Oh my God! Get away, get away!" and sprays him in the face with mace. Then it happens again when he's walking in a hallway or on a sidewalk, or when he's out at a bar, or in the bookstore. Any woman in his presence might take the opportunity to defend herself because she feels threatened by his demeanor or his movements -- because of his reputation.

 

LOL! I'm not a believer in vigilantism, but the horrible miscarriage of justice in the sentencing of Brock Allen Turner has pissed me off. He's a rapist who has zero remorse, thanks to his dad, Dan A. Turner, being an entitled rich asshole. The judge, a Stanford alumni and former athlete, should be censured.

[Nvr2Thick]

From 2011

 

College Basketball Star Heroically Overcomes Tragic Rape He Committed

http://www.theonion.com/video/college-basketball-star-heroically-overcomes-tragi-19097

[marylander1940]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.xjRe3a4R5#.tcBlEB4KN

 

Here's more info on the case, including testimony from the victim herself.

 

if he was black, Muslim or Mexican he'd be in jail for a few years...

 

Mexicans are rapist? Huh? All American jocks and fratboys are more likely to rape.

 

C'mon guys don't rape buy a couple of dinners!

[AndreFuture]

If you all would like to ensure Judge Persky, the rape sympathizer who presided this case, never gets to perpetuate rape culture again, this petition has instructions on how to file a complaint about his judicial bias:

https://www.change.org/p/california-state-house-recall-judge-aaron-persky?recruiter=783204

[Guest]

Yes, the full text of her statement is powerful. Brock Allen Turner is a rapist, period. His dad is a tool too because instead of being grateful for the very light sentence, he's complaining about how it's too much for his poor son who can't eat his favorite ribeyes right now. Dan A. Turner is an entitled ungrateful moron in my book.

 

Yes, this really remind me of that little "affluenza" shit-head. It's too bad we can't flog both the rapist and his shit-head father. You listen to these parents, and have little wonder that these spoiled kids end up the way they did. I also get sick and tired of hearing parents who say "Boo, hoo. The police didn't have to shoot him just because he pulled a gun or knife on the officer. He was really just a good kid." I'd like to give both the rapist and his father a good, swift kick in the nuts.

[Juan Vancouver]

I'd like to give both the rapist and his father a good, swift kick in the nuts.

 

Yes, I get how you feel, but there is actually something you can do to steer this crazy boat in the right direction.

 

Click on the link that FTM_TWINK shared and let the judicial system how you feel.

 

It's people being privately outraged at home what keeps this system going.

 

Rage baby! RAGE!

[Guest]

I spoke with a couple of local (SF Bay Area) lawyers at a recent graduation dinner for my niece. They felt that (1) the judge will probably be recalled, and (2) the Court of Appeals can and probably will order him to re-sentence the rapist (since he violated guidelines). If he refuses, the Court of Appeals can remove him from the bench even if he doesn't get recalled.

[+ quoththeraven]

No! Completely unacceptable and reprehensible. Rape is not acceptable under any circumstances.

 

I agree. I heartily endorse the rest of Juan's post, but not that.

 

Yes, there are plenty of dangerous men in our world, but let's please not disparage all men. The two graduate students who stumbled upon Brock Allen Turner raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster did the right thing. They chased him off, tackled him, and restrained him until the cops arrived.

 

This case has been discussed extensively in my Twittersphere. A friend whose son just graduated from high school and is heading to college tweeted as follows:

Me: what would you do if you met a girl at a party and she passed out drink [drunk] behind a dumpster? Son: um, get help? *looks bewildered*

5 mins later, he asks: so what *should* you do, call an ambulance? We discussed options. He is ready for university, I guess.

 

(My response to the first tweet was "You would think that would be the obvious response." I love that he looked bewildered.)

 

Dating or hiring an escort is not a solution. That's not what rapists want. Rape is more about power and control than sex, which is why the competitive, "he scores!" view of normative male sexuality and the concomitant slut-shaming of women and view that it's their job to enforce boundaries is such a crock. I may have posted this link before, but if I have, here it is again.

 

http://goodmenproject.com/noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz/on-sexual-aggressiveness/

 

Key excerpt:

There are two models– one could call them the “rape culture” and the “consent culture” models. Very few people are pure rape-culture or pure consent-culture; nevertheless, I’ll describe them in their purest forms, so you can see them clearly.

 

Rape culture: Sex is about a man, who is the only one who actually desires sex, pushing a woman as far as she is willing to go. Sex occurs in a rigid set of steps: kissing, then breast-groping, then manual, then oral, then PIV; any other sex acts are signs that the man has Super Won (or that he’s a pathetic loser). Any tactic, short of ignoring a direct no (and even then) is allowable. Rape is basically like committing a foul: as long as you don’t do anything that’s technically against the rules, it’s all good, and calling someone a rapist for ignoring a “I’d rather not” is like the ref calling the ball out of bounds when it was clearly inside. If they have intercourse, the man has won and the woman has lost: he’s awesome, and she’s a slut who needs to learn to respect herself. The woman’s goal is to get a man into a relationship; if she gets his commitment, he’s pussywhipped and she’s a Smug Married/Be-boyfriend-ed (God I love Bridget Jones). Queer people can, with some straining, be fit into this model; the general idea is that one is the ‘man’ and another is the ‘woman.’

 

Consent culture: Some people decide that sex (whatever that means to them) would be fun and then have mutually enjoyable sex with each other. The end.

I know which model I prefer.

[marylander1940]

I spoke with a couple of local (SF Bay Area) lawyers at a recent graduation dinner for my niece. They felt that (1) the judge will probably be recalled, and (2) the Court of Appeals can and probably will order him to re-sentence the rapist (since he violated guidelines). If he refuses, the Court of Appeals can remove him from the bench even if he doesn't get recalled.

 

Let's hope for those 2 things to happen!

 

C'mon a rape with eyewitness, how often does it happen?

[LivingnLA]

I agree. I heartily endorse the rest of Juan's post, but not that.

 

 

 

This case has been discussed extensively in my Twittersphere. A friend whose son just graduated from high school and is heading to college tweeted as follows:

Me: what would you do if you met a girl at a party and she passed out drink [drunk] behind a dumpster? Son: um, get help? *looks bewildered*

5 mins later, he asks: so what *should* you do, call an ambulance? We discussed options. He is ready for university, I guess.

 

(My response to the first tweet was "You would think that would be the obvious response." I love that he looked bewildered.)

 

Dating or hiring an escort is not a solution. That's not what rapists want. Rape is more about power and control than sex, which is why the competitive, "he scores!" view of normative male sexuality and the concomitant slut-shaming of women and view that it's their job to enforce boundaries is such a crock. I may have posted this link before, but if I have, here it is again.

 

http://goodmenproject.com/noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz/on-sexual-aggressiveness/

 

Key excerpt:

There are two models– one could call them the “rape culture” and the “consent culture” models. Very few people are pure rape-culture or pure consent-culture; nevertheless, I’ll describe them in their purest forms, so you can see them clearly.

 

Rape culture: Sex is about a man, who is the only one who actually desires sex, pushing a woman as far as she is willing to go. Sex occurs in a rigid set of steps: kissing, then breast-groping, then manual, then oral, then PIV; any other sex acts are signs that the man has Super Won (or that he’s a pathetic loser). Any tactic, short of ignoring a direct no (and even then) is allowable. Rape is basically like committing a foul: as long as you don’t do anything that’s technically against the rules, it’s all good, and calling someone a rapist for ignoring a “I’d rather not” is like the ref calling the ball out of bounds when it was clearly inside. If they have intercourse, the man has won and the woman has lost: he’s awesome, and she’s a slut who needs to learn to respect herself. The woman’s goal is to get a man into a relationship; if she gets his commitment, he’s pussywhipped and she’s a Smug Married/Be-boyfriend-ed (God I love Bridget Jones). Queer people can, with some straining, be fit into this model; the general idea is that one is the ‘man’ and another is the ‘woman.’

 

Consent culture: Some people decide that sex (whatever that means to them) would be fun and then have mutually enjoyable sex with each other. The end.

I know which model I prefer.

 

Well said.

 

Did you see the reports about Brock Turner's drug use in High School? Or the reports about him taking pics and sending them to his friends while he was raping the unconscious woman? Lastly, there have been reports of at least one woman at the frat party pushing Brock away for inappropriate touching. I'm speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brock was fully conscious and aware of what he was doing and that be got off on knowing he was raping a helpless woman.

[Guest]

Yech! Yes, it sounds as if this young man is really rotten to the core, probably a sociopath. His parents never taught him responsibility, and, unfortunately, it looks as if the judge didn't either. Like that "affluenza" dude. I wish there were some "Asshole Island" we could put people like this on. He makes me want to puke.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/Unicornpukingrainbow.jpg

[AndreFuture]

I'm speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if Brock was fully conscious and aware of what he was doing and that be got off on knowing he was raping a helpless woman.

From what I know, most rapists rape because of the power/thrill (which is why people of varying "attractiveness", age, etc. get raped, it's not about sexual attraction/gratification), so yes, he probably did.

[LivingnLA]

From what I know, most rapists rape because of the power/thrill (which is why people of varying "attractiveness", age, etc. get raped, it's not about sexual attraction/gratification), so yes, he probably did.

 

Exactly. I've read reports of him being a bully and homophobic in high school. It all falls into a clear pattern of a personality that gets off on power and "winning at any cost." Sadly, he'll probably do it again because he and his support network haven't learned anything from his crimes. I hope his next victim is strong enough to standup too or better yet, fight back and beat some sense into him.

[marylander1940]

 

Members of the Stanford University women’s swim team wanted to write to the judge overseeing the Brock Allen Turner sex-attack case about his creepy behavior — but were reportedly “pressured” by school officials not to speak out.

 

The team members say they weren’t shocked by the arrest of Turner, 20 — a men’s-team swimming star — and had steered clear of him due to sleazy comments he would make about their bodies, according to InTouch magazine.

 

“Brock’s arrest wasn’t surprising to anyone on the team,” one woman told the magazine.

 

“From the beginning, the women swimmers had found him to be very, very odd. Brock would make comments to the women such as ‘I can see your t–s in that swimsuit.’ ”

 

One top competitor said she would never let herself be alone with Turner after observing his drunken antics at parties, the magazine reported.

 

Earlier this month, Santa Clara County, Calif., Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky sentenced Turner to just six months in jail and three years’ probation for sexual assault of an unconscious 23-year-old woman after a fraternity party in 2015.

 

The judge has come under fire for handing down the light sentence.

 

“There were rumblings that the women were pressured by Stanford officials to not do [write to the judge] since they hadn’t witnessed any crime that Brock had committed,” an insider told InTouch.

 

http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/womens-swim-team-not-surprised-by-brock-turner-arrest/

[+ Keith30309]

To our legal folks:

This Post article is short on facts and long on innuendo but wouldn't the suppression of tangible evidence or meaningfully-substantial threats of retaliation against witnesses (such as loss of an athletic scholorship) by Stanford constitute obstruction of justice? Doesn't that apply during a sentencing phase?

I seem to recall cases in which a guilty defendant's sentence was reduced upon discovery of new, mitigating evidence.

 

I hope that the DA looks into these allegations.