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Keith30309 Grand Master

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You might send him a final email / text saying something like:

 

“Sorry our meeting didn’t work out. This will help explain why”

 

And add a link to this thread.

And block his number.

 

Daddy will give him an opportunity to state his case - so he can start thinking about it now.

Then we can all revisit this when the review is posted and both sides have had their say.

 

I thought about it but am not sure that would be the most constructive thing to do. I think you're right that the vetting process works well and things generally end up where they should.

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My gosh, I am so sorry for how this went down for you. It seems like my worst nightmare.

Looking forward to reading the review - the Clif notes version here has whetted my appetite for the full disastrous story. (Sorry about the way that sounds)

 

One last point, however, for general discussion: Why did you tip the guy? Sounds like his rate was too high already (unless the friend was going to join in) and you routinely threw in the extra $$ because you always do. After all, $300/hr or so isn't enough compensation and the guy needs extra pocket change, I guess.

 

I had already put the tip in the envelope - I generally assume that when I meet someone that things will go well and pretty much always tip. I (mistakenly) was hoping that things would take a turn for the better. (Plus he had two different rates on two different sites and I went with the larger of the two without asking.)

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Was his friend 'hot'? Did he offer to join you in whatever it may have been you were doing? That would be the ONLY way to justify this, in my book. All joking aside, I am sorry you had a bad experience. Can't wait to read the review. Thank you.

 

I only heard the friend in the hallway and knocking on the door - the escort asked me to stand behind the door to make sure he wouldn't see me.

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I don't know - I tried to make the review as fact-based as possible rather than my opinions and feelings. If he chooses he may dispute them... there was no friend, he wasn't playing with his phone, he didn't ask for payment, the time didn't end 20 minutes early, he wasn't disinterested, he wasn't smoking, etc.

 

Keith, I hope you understand that no matter how the escort might respond to your review.... denying any and all.... I think everyone on here will trust your review 100% over his rebuttal.

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I had already put the tip in the envelope - I generally assume that when I meet someone that things will go well and pretty much always tip. I (mistakenly) was hoping that things would take a turn for the better. (Plus he had two different rates on two different sites and I went with the larger of the two without asking.)

 

This just shows how wonderful of a person you truly are! !!!

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You might send him a final email / text saying something like:

 

“Sorry our meeting didn’t work out. This will help explain why”

 

And add a link to this thread.

And block his number.

 

Daddy will give him an opportunity to state his case - so he can start thinking about it now.

Then we can all revisit this when the review is posted and both sides have had their say.

This may be a good idea but if he's as clueless and sociopathic as he seems to be the text will have no effect. But sending it may be cathartic for you. It's a common psychotherapy exercise to help decrease the residual negative emotions.

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I just finished submitting a review for an escort and it's the first negative one I've written in over 30 encounters with different guys. No names - that's for the review-vetting process - but my lessons-learned are universal.

 

I'm posting this in the hopes that someone will learn from my mistakes and failure to heed several red flags that have all been discussed in the forum. I'd summarize them as:

  1. Opened the door and face photo was obviously dated
  2. Derailed and stalled for a 30 minute chat (for him to smoke outside)
  3. He failed to heed my request that his friend not stop by while I was there
  4. Obsessed with his phone from the moment I arrived
  5. He was physically distant, avoiding my touch, up until the point where money entered the discussion
  6. At his request, mid-way thru our time, I gave him the envelope containing the fee plus a generous tip

It went downhill after that. I did get a bottle of water, though.

 

In general, my mistake was hoping and wishing that things would get better until it passed the point of being an obvious, dismal failure.

 

I did keep enough wits about me to let him know, all along the way, that things were not going well. I remembered the dismay that some escorts have described at receiving negative reviews from what they thought were happy clients and gave him several opportunities to reschedule on a better day and also reiterated a few times our early discussion of likes/dislikes.

 

Anyway, that was the best water I've ever tasted.

I just finished submitting a review for an escort and it's the first negative one I've written in over 30 encounters with different guys. No names - that's for the review-vetting process - but my lessons-learned are universal.

 

I'm posting this in the hopes that someone will learn from my mistakes and failure to heed several red flags that have all been discussed in the forum. I'd summarize them as:

  1. Opened the door and face photo was obviously dated
  2. Derailed and stalled for a 30 minute chat (for him to smoke outside)
  3. He failed to heed my request that his friend not stop by while I was there
  4. Obsessed with his phone from the moment I arrived
  5. He was physically distant, avoiding my touch, up until the point where money entered the discussion
  6. At his request, mid-way thru our time, I gave him the envelope containing the fee plus a generous tip

It went downhill after that. I did get a bottle of water, though.

 

In general, my mistake was hoping and wishing that things would get better until it passed the point of being an obvious, dismal failure.

 

I did keep enough wits about me to let him know, all along the way, that things were not going well. I remembered the dismay that some escorts have described at receiving negative reviews from what they thought were happy clients and gave him several opportunities to reschedule on a better day and also reiterated a few times our early discussion of likes/dislikes.

 

Anyway, that was the best water I've ever tasted.

And the stage name of this lad ???

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Keith... Sorry I missed this earlier.

 

Add another one to the I'm so sorry list and especially since you come across here as such a nice guy!

 

Actually when I read the title I instinctively knew exactly what happened. Many years ago I had a similar experience. I was such a fool as I paid the guy as well. It fortunately has been my only really bad experience. The only major difference being that he looked like his pics. It's just that he had a way about him that resulted in him doing the bare minimum for maximum reimbursement.

 

What I have always regretted was never submitting a review as I blamed myself for not having good chemistry with the guy. In those days I only lurked in this forum. However, about six months after the experience a former poster who has since become a good friend warned the guys here about this particular escort. I then realized that it was not me at all as it was this jerks modus operandi.

 

That was is what actually got me to join this forum as I was able to further comment on the bozo as it was common to mention a guy's name back then as a warning to others. It was the only revenge that I could get since I had foolishly failed to submit a review. Fortunately the guy is long retired.

 

And a friend of his did stop by as well and that was the really bizarre part... So quite a few similarities!

 

However, Keith you still made out better than I did! You got BOTTLED water. I got a tepid glass of New York City TAP water as my prize.

 

Hmmmm?!?! So perhaps the guy is back in business, water, a friend, using the pics from when I saw him so many years ago!!!!!???? Anything is possible!!!! :eek: If so, at least he upgraded his service to bottled water! :rolleyes:

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but WG!!.....that legendary NYC tap water.....best in the country!

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rodales-organic-life/the-top-10-tapwater-cities-in-america_b_8184138.html

Actually I agree, and as such that tepid water was the best part of that unfortunate session!

 

All kidding aside, when comparing NYC tap water and bottled water the NYC version actually does have a "pleasing" taste compared to the bland quality of bottled water.

 

http://gearpatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/tap-dnyc-new-york-bottled-tap-water.jpg

 

Interestingly I just refreshed my memory and read my original posting from so many years ago and I actually ended up paying "500 clamshells" for a mere "half glass of water"! So in retrospect 400 for a whole bottle of water might be a bargain in comparison. I was going to see what that all came to adjusted for inflation, but it just was not worth the bother!

 

In any event, I am glad that Keith is submitting a review.

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Keith, thank you for sharing your story. I'm headed to ATL in March, and I would be eternally grateful if you could PM me the guy's name. I'm not sure the review will post in time. You and I have similar tastes, and currently I have no regular in ATL, so...it would be my luck I'd be buying a similarly priced bottle of water as you did! Help a brother out. :)

 

By the way, @Keith30309 , I don't know about you, but my biggest fear on throwing out or walking out on a liar is physical altercation. I'm strong, but I'm not the physical type. Im also wired to try to make the best out of negative situations. So in a situation like yours, I probably woulda stayed too. I'm, by no means, advocating that clients stay in situations like this one. I'm just saying there is no shame in recognizing how we may react in certain situations. Self awareness is the key to change. I hope soon, I can build the balls to confidently resolve situations like this one on my own. I'm just not there yet. In the meantime, I openly talk about it, learn from others, rely on good recognizance, my gut instinct, and stick with regulars where I can. Again, thanks for helping me feel I'm not alone in my own experience!

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Keith, thank you for sharing your story. I'm headed to ATL in March, and I would be eternally grateful if you could PM me the guy's name. I'm not sure the review will post in time. You and I have similar tastes, and currently I have no regular in ATL, so...it would be my luck I'd be buying a similarly priced bottle of water as you did! Help a brother out. :)

 

By the way, @Keith30309 , I don't know about you, but my biggest fear on throwing out or walking out on a liar is physical altercation. I'm strong, but I'm not the physical type. Im also wired to try to make the best out of negative situations. So in a situation like yours, I probably woulda stayed too. I'm, by no means, advocating that clients stay in situations like this one. I'm just saying there is no shame in recognizing how we may react in certain situations. Self awareness is the key to change. I hope soon, I can build the balls to confidently resolve situations like this one on my own. I'm just not there yet. In the meantime, I openly talk about it, learn from others, rely on good recognizance, my gut instinct, and stick with regulars where I can. Again, thanks for helping me feel I'm not alone in my own experience!

 

 

Information sent - let me know if there's anyone else in particular you're interested in and I'll share what I know.

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I'm just saying there is no shame in recognizing how we may react in certain situations. Self awareness is the key to change. I hope soon, I can build the balls to confidently resolve situations like this one on my own. I'm just not there yet. In the meantime, I openly talk about it, learn from others, rely on good recognizance, my gut instinct, and stick with regulars where I can. Again, thanks for helping me feel I'm not alone in my own experience!

 

I couldn't have said it better ...

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Definitely don't write the guy or contact him again. I have had some bad encounters over the years but have never written a bad review predominately because if I have a bad enough time I want to shout and warn others, I usually feel the guy is messed up in some way and I'd rather not stick my finger in that light socket. I'd be afraid of retribution in some manner. I usually host at my place unless I'm traveling so there is that to contend with. I am also pretty soft hearted / self-critical and will come up with all sorts of excuses for why the event didn't go well.

 

I do respect you for posting a review. That takes courage.

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Keith! Good for you! With any luck your review will save more than a few guys some hard earned cash and as such you have done a great service to the hiring community!

 

Based on my similar experience from many years ago as posted earlier in the thread it was something that I wish that I had done! So you are to be commended!

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Since the topic of reviews written and not written is on my mind today, the review of the encounter I described at the top of this thread was officially posted --> http://daddysreviews.com/venue/usa/georgia/jake_2_atlanta

I submitted a 1-star to RM and it was taken down after 2 days RM Profile - ATLHOTBOI

 

Keith! Good for you! With any luck your review will save more than a few guys some hard earned cash and as such you have done a great service to the hiring community!

 

Based on my similar experience from many years ago as posted earlier in the thread it was something that I wish that I had done! So you are to be commended!

 

Am I misunderstanding? I would have thought from what @Keith30309 wrote that he meant the bad review had been removed just as they often are on M4RN. But my interpretation of what @whipped guy wrote would lead me to think that Rentmen eliminated the ad because of the bad review.

 

Can @Keith30309 and @whipped guy clarify what they mean to help me out?

 

Gman

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Am I misunderstanding? I would have thought from what @Keith30309 wrote that he meant the bad review had been removed just as they often are on M4RN. But my interpretation of what @whipped guy wrote would lead me to think that Rentmen eliminated the ad because of the bad review.

 

Can @Keith30309 and @whipped guy clarify what they mean to help me out?

 

Gman

 

Sort of:

1. The 1-star was removed by RM - I received this email:

"We do post non-positive reviews. But when an escort only has 1 or 2 reviews that are not positive, we reject & hold them till more reviews come in. This allows us to make a good judgement of the escorts character. Your info is valuable to us & would be posted when more reviews from other clients come in. "

2. The RM ad remains (expired at the moment) with no reviews at the link I included above.

3. The Daddys review remains.

4. I didn't mention M4RN but the 1-star I posted there disappeared after a few weeks. In this case I believe the escort disabled reviews - it says "REVIEWS ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THIS ADVERTISER". I've actually looked over the shoulder and watched as an escort who had received a bad M4RN review disabled his (a big red flag for me is cross-referencing someone from RM (regardless of reviews) to their M4RN ad and seeing that he has disabled reviews).

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Am I misunderstanding? I would have thought from what @Keith30309 wrote that he meant the bad review had been removed just as they often are on M4RN. But my interpretation of what @whipped guy wrote would lead me to think that Rentmen eliminated the ad because of the bad review.

 

Can @Keith30309 and @whipped guy clarify what they mean to help me out?

 

Gman

I was referencing Keith's review on Daddy's Review Site for which he provided the link. As I posted earlier in this thread (and alluded to in my response) I had a very similar situation for which I did not write a review many years ago and before I joined the forum. I had always regretted not writing a review. Hence my kudos for Keith.

 

It was impossible for me to reference or comment on the review posted on Rentmen since it was removed.

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wow "30"? can u imagine the diseases u spread lol

 

 

I just finished submitting a review for an escort and it's the first negative one I've written in over 30 encounters with different guys. No names - that's for the review-vetting process - but my lessons-learned are universal.

 

I'm posting this in the hopes that someone will learn from my mistakes and failure to heed several red flags that have all been discussed in the forum. I'd summarize them as:

  1. Opened the door and face photo was obviously dated
  2. Derailed and stalled for a 30 minute chat (for him to smoke outside)
  3. He failed to heed my request that his friend not stop by while I was there
  4. Obsessed with his phone from the moment I arrived
  5. He was physically distant, avoiding my touch, up until the point where money entered the discussion
  6. At his request, mid-way thru our time, I gave him the envelope containing the fee plus a generous tip

It went downhill after that. I did get a bottle of water, though.

 

In general, my mistake was hoping and wishing that things would get better until it passed the point of being an obvious, dismal failure.

 

I did keep enough wits about me to let him know, all along the way, that things were not going well. I remembered the dismay that some escorts have described at receiving negative reviews from what they thought were happy clients and gave him several opportunities to reschedule on a better day and also reiterated a few times our early discussion of likes/dislikes.

 

Anyway, that was the best water I've ever tasted.

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