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[+ Gar1eth]

Forgive me Gman. I can't keep track of everyone's background, number and frequency of hiring etc, but I think you may be underestimating how difficult it is to find/provide a good BFE. Maybe you have just had better luck than I have had. My experience has been that it's easy to get laid, but to find a guy who can really be as intimate as a good BFE requires is the exception not the rule.

 

 

I can't say that every meeting I had when I was hiring was perfect. But I've usually told escorts beforehand what I was looking for-ie I'm a play safe top, not into partying who enjoys deep passionate kissing, body contact, oral (more receiving than giving) and if my mini me cooperates (that is my tallywacker), I like to top. Sometimes the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, and I can't top. But that's not the escort's fault.

 

So if a guy can do all that, I consider that to be a great BFE for a few hours. Now for an overnight or a weekend, I need to know that they share more of my out of bedroom interests in theater, movies, looking at touristy sites (when I did do overnights or weekends, it was usually not in the city where I was living.)

 

So on my one to three hour visits, I'd say my my luck at finding a good BFE was at least 90%. I'm not really that hard to please if the escort is ok with the things I like to do. Plus once I had found a guy I like, I usually continued to hire them. The thrill of the unknown can be fun-and obviously I have succumbed to that in the past. But overall once I found an escort I liked, I had a tendency to hire them repeated times.

 

My average on extended stays-overnights/weekends wasn't quite that good. I don't know about others on here-but it really is an interesting experience spending an extended length of time with someone you really don't know that well (because of logistics of where I lived, I often had overnights or weekends with guys I had never met before. I did more of this by necessity in my early years of hiring because where I lived there were no escorts and because of course, since I was new at this hobby, I didn't know many escorts. ) So my percentage of great experiences for overnights/weekends would only be about 75% increasing up to 90% for my last years of hiring.

 

In my last two years of hiring, I pretty much hit the jackpot on weekends. I really only had one guy who was more of a dud. I can't put his name here as he is still escorting, and I didn't write a review at the time. But I'll describe the experience.

 

He was a former Corbin Fisher/Randy Blue/Sean Cody guy. He hadn't done all of them. But I can't remember which one he worked for and for them did only did two videos. Maybe the problem was he was too young-about 24. But it was more likely due to him not being totally honest about his interest in activities outside the bedroom. I had described a sample weekend such as going to a play or taking some city tours. He said all that was fine.

 

 

Well when he got here, I took him to a really nice dinner theatre experience-Seattle's local equivalent of Cirque. It's a really fun experience. But he wasn't really into that. The following day I had found an excursion train experience which by chance happened to include a wine tasting. Well he liked the wine tasting all right ( I bought extra wine tickets). But the train experience left him unmoved. But I ask you-how horrible can a 45 minute train ride in old timey train cars be? You get to see some of the rural countryside (and the guy loves foreign travel to see new sites. He has been to some exotic places), and there was the wine. This guy loved to drink and was quite fond of the wine tasting. Unless he was just drinking to numb the experience with me, I had the feeling he was quite active in the LA Club scene.

 

Then the following day we were going to go on the some tours of Seattle to see the city. Well as we were eating lunch, and I described it to him, he said it 'wasn't his kind of thing.' But again the guy takes vacation to exotic areas. You would have thought he'd be into seeing Seattle. At one point at the hotel he said something about me only picking out things to do that I liked/older people liked. And I thought to myself, "What did he expect? I was in my late 40's. I wasn't going to go clubbing with him. "

 

And I had told him both that I was a middle aged fat guy and the types of things I was planning beforehand, and he had said ok to all of them. That my plans were fine.

 

Then as regards the more intimate time-well we did most of the stuff I liked. But you could tell he wasn't 'into' it. And his cardinal sin aside from being such a wet blanket on the trip was that I had told him when arranging things that I was really 'into kissing,' and that if he wasn't, we wouldn't be a good match. He said that was fine too. But proof of the pudding showed him to be disinterested in kissing. Maybe I should have known. He wasn't exactly passionate in either of his two videos either. And while I'm not sure what he does in his private life as he advertises as versatile, for me at least, he wasn't very enthusiastic at bottoming at all.

 

But aside from him, during my last two years of hiring my percentage of great weekends was up significantly from previous years. And I met some really great guys who were also great escorts.

 

I think that may be an important key to great experiences that the escort is a good guy first. And while not all good guys make good escorts (we all know escorting is difficult), it's much more likely that a good guy will make a good escort than an ahole (pardon my French) will if your interests like mine include more than just making the beast with two backs.

 

Gman

[LADoug1]

I think if you're hiring for a weekend or more you need to ask the escort what THEY like to do and compare it to your likes/dislikes.

[jawjateck]

Thank the lawd I aint a newbie client reading some of this stuff.

[MikeyGMin]

Thank the lawd I aint a newbie client reading some of this stuff.

 

Why is that?

[+ newguy]

On this one I tend to disagree with Daddy. I don't think I'm being bitchy if I refuse to show an interest in an escort who in any area says "ask me". Yes an escort has the right to include any information he wishes in his ad but if it doesn't include information I want I have every right to move on without being considered bitchy. Voting with my wallet is just a different way of saying it is a buyers market.

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I wouldn't take the criticism to heart. I don't think there was any

intent to disparage your investigative intentions or good spirits.

[+ Gar1eth]

I think if you're hiring for a weekend or more you need to ask the escort what THEY like to do and compare it to your likes/dislikes.

 

I always did. Well maybe not so much for an overnight. I mean they get in during the afternoon, you go out to eat, maybe a movie-or not, then you go to bed. But for weekends I definitely asked about interests. But if the escort says, "Yes, that all sounds fine. We'll have a lot of fun together," and is lying, it doesn't really matter what you've described.

 

Gman

[Juan Vancouver]

Well I did actually mean it as a compliment but oh well...

 

I am sorry I missed that. Thank you.

 

So are you saying that if a client says they want "A" and you have done "A" in the past or are an expert in "A" you will guarantee "A" for their session?

 

No. I do not guarantee, sell or negotiate sex acts of bodily fluids. This is not a legal disclaimer, it's the direct, God honest truth. Not only that is illegal in my country, but it goes against the way I look at my work.

 

I do guarantee, however, that if you are ready, respectful and able, you will leave with a huge smile on your face. I do guarantee that I will be present, ready, able, strong and expert, focusing entirely on you and will do anything in my power to make you feel like there is nothing else that matters at that moment.

 

And no, my clients don't need to be flexible with what they want. I don't want them to be vague. I like them to be clear and direct about what they wish to experience. If they are ready, able and respectful it's pretty much in the bag that they will leave sore, spent and smiling.

 

If I balked at you creating a "Juan category" that demands clients to go with the flow is because this thread has been about discussing escorts who refuse to say what they like and refuse to listen what their clients enjoy as a ruse to avoid agreeing to anything they won't want to do.

 

I think it boils down to looking at our work in two different ways, which are both equally valid, but are born from an entirely different paradigm.

 

The Prostitute sells sexual acts. He/she has a menu from which clients can choose. The client pays an amount, gets a specific service. Regardless of the circumstances, the prostitute has to perform. He gets paid, he has to do it. It's like a plumber; you pay, you receive a specific service. NOT any other service. This is a one way street. One side orders, the other performs, then gets paid.

 

The Sex Therapist, Courtesan, Intimacy Expert has a set of skills and specialties. This is not a menu from which the client orders, it is a range of experiences from which the escort can draw to achieve a specific purpose. Clients come with the intention of broadening their horizons, practice intimacy, learn to give and receive pleasure, get over self consciousness, learn how to excel at certain activities, explore, learn, enjoy. The same way a therapist cannot say "If you have a session with me you will be over your PTSD and your self-esteem issues will be fixed", the escort therapist can't work on acts guaranteed, but on the intention of fulfilling the goals set together. This kind of relationship is a two way street and demands the client to be present, able and ready.

 

I know that reading this post, most of you cringed with distaste rolling your eyes at one of the paradigms. If you are interested in the therapist, you might find the prostitute paradigm abusive and dehumanizing. In contrast, if you are interested in the prostitute paradigm you will think the "healer bullshit" is nothing but shame-based crap designed for hookers not to put out.

 

The one thing we have agreed in the past in this forum is that you can't please both camps. You can't be on both. One has to choose, as a client and or an escort.

 

So far all escorts advertise in the same places and appear to offer the same. It is up to us, during the set up communication process to let our customers know what to expect. As long as we are impeccably honest during that process, we will ensure that we will meet with people who understand and share our views about the subject, or at least, who are willing to see what it is about.

 

Communication, people. Direct, honest, good old reliable communication.

[+ Keith30309]

The Sex Therapist, Courtesan, Intimacy Expert has a set of skills and specialties. This is not a menu from which the client orders, it is a range of experiences from which the escort can draw to achieve a specific purpose. Clients come with the intention of broadening their horizons, practice intimacy, learn to give and receive pleasure, get over self consciousness, learn how to excel at certain activities, explore, learn, enjoy. The same way a therapist cannot say "If you have a session with me you will be over your PTSD and your self-esteem issues will be fixed", the escort therapist can't work on acts guaranteed, but on the intention of fulfilling the goals set together. This kind of relationship is a two way street and demands the client to be present, able and ready.

 

I like this. A lot. It's really the way things should be but, unfortunately, there's not many people who are capable of understanding and delivering. Complicating things, finding someone who can do it amid the cacophony of fake pics, flaky profiles, paranoid dodginess and hyperbolic reviews is damn hard.

[+ Gar1eth]

I'm obviously not an escort. But in my opinion I think Juan's definitions are too restrictive. I also don't like the term prostitute. Plus Juan seems to denigrate the guys in his first category. I sense a measure of opprobrium in his writing. I also don't understand why guys in his first category can't be considered healers too. From Juan's description, I get the feeling every guy in his first category should be of the wham-bam-thank you sir persuasion-hurrying clients in and out on an assembly line basis. I would say that the majority of guys I've really liked-have all been nice guys who wanted the client to have a good time with them.

 

 

Gman

[mike carey]

I like this. A lot.

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[mattr]

I am sorry I missed that. Thank you.

 

 

 

No. I do not guarantee, sell or negotiate sex acts of bodily fluids. This is not a legal disclaimer, it's the direct, God honest truth. Not only that is illegal in my country, but it goes against the way I look at my work.

 

I do guarantee, however, that if you are ready, respectful and able, you will leave with a huge smile on your face. I do guarantee that I will be present, ready, able, strong and expert, focusing entirely on you and will do anything in my power to make you feel like there is nothing else that matters at that moment.

 

And no, my clients don't need to be flexible with what they want. I don't want them to be vague. I like them to be clear and direct about what they wish to experience. If they are ready, able and respectful it's pretty much in the bag that they will leave sore, spent and smiling.

 

If I balked at you creating a "Juan category" that demands clients to go with the flow is because this thread has been about discussing escorts who refuse to say what they like and refuse to listen what their clients enjoy as a ruse to avoid agreeing to anything they won't want to do.

 

I think it boils down to looking at our work in two different ways, which are both equally valid, but are born from an entirely different paradigm.

 

The Prostitute sells sexual acts. He/she has a menu from which clients can choose. The client pays an amount, gets a specific service. Regardless of the circumstances, the prostitute has to perform. He gets paid, he has to do it. It's like a plumber; you pay, you receive a specific service. NOT any other service. This is a one way street. One side orders, the other performs, then gets paid.

 

The Sex Therapist, Courtesan, Intimacy Expert has a set of skills and specialties. This is not a menu from which the client orders, it is a range of experiences from which the escort can draw to achieve a specific purpose. Clients come with the intention of broadening their horizons, practice intimacy, learn to give and receive pleasure, get over self consciousness, learn how to excel at certain activities, explore, learn, enjoy. The same way a therapist cannot say "If you have a session with me you will be over your PTSD and your self-esteem issues will be fixed", the escort therapist can't work on acts guaranteed, but on the intention of fulfilling the goals set together. This kind of relationship is a two way street and demands the client to be present, able and ready.

 

I know that reading this post, most of you cringed with distaste rolling your eyes at one of the paradigms. If you are interested in the therapist, you might find the prostitute paradigm abusive and dehumanizing. In contrast, if you are interested in the prostitute paradigm you will think the "healer bullshit" is nothing but shame-based crap designed for hookers not to put out.

 

The one thing we have agreed in the past in this forum is that you can't please both camps. You can't be on both. One has to choose, as a client and or an escort.

 

So far all escorts advertise in the same places and appear to offer the same. It is up to us, during the set up communication process to let our customers know what to expect. As long as we are impeccably honest during that process, we will ensure that we will meet with people who understand and share our views about the subject, or at least, who are willing to see what it is about.

 

Communication, people. Direct, honest, good old reliable communication.

 

It's good that there are a variety of providers as each client is unique with needs/desires changing over time. The courtesan is the experience is what I personally want/need right now

[+ Truereview]

It's good that there are a variety of providers as each client is unique with needs/desires changing over time. The courtesan is the experience is what I personally want/need right now

I agree with unique needs/desires and things changing over time, and a variety of providers being needed. I also firmly believe people's behavior (clients's and escorts' behavior in this case) cannot be understood and dealt with through binary thinking. It looks like the thread, once again, is headed in the direction of either an escort is a prostitute or a sex therapist, and that clients need to shop according to this limited categorization. I choose to believe clients and escorts are more complex and fall on a spectrum based on a variety of circumstances and experiences. Browse and select from the full spectrum according to your needs!

[mattr]

I agree with unique needs/desires and things changing over time, and a variety of providers being needed. I also firmly believe people's behavior (clients's and escorts' behavior in this case) cannot be understood and dealt with through binary thinking. It looks like the thread, once again, is headed in the direction of either an escort is a prostitute or a sex therapist, and that clients need to shop according to this limited categorization. I choose to believe clients and escorts are more complex and fall on a spectrum based on a variety of circumstances and experiences. Browse and select from the full spectrum according to your needs!

 

I agree. This is not a black and white issue. There are at least 50 shades of grey or 50 shades of gay in this case

[RussJohnson]

No. I do not guarantee, sell or negotiate sex acts of bodily fluids. This is not a legal disclaimer, it's the direct, God honest truth. Not only that is illegal in my country, but it goes against the way I look at my work.

 

I do guarantee, however, that if you are ready, respectful and able, you will leave with a huge smile on your face. I do guarantee that I will be present, ready, able, strong and expert, focusing entirely on you and will do anything in my power to make you feel like there is nothing else that matters at that moment.

 

And no, my clients don't need to be flexible with what they want. I don't want them to be vague. I like them to be clear and direct about what they wish to experience. If they are ready, able and respectful it's pretty much in the bag that they will leave sore, spent and smiling.

 

If I balked at you creating a "Juan category" that demands clients to go with the flow is because this thread has been about discussing escorts who refuse to say what they like and refuse to listen what their clients enjoy as a ruse to avoid agreeing to anything they won't want to do.

 

I think it boils down to looking at our work in two different ways, which are both equally valid, but are born from an entirely different paradigm.

 

The Prostitute sells sexual acts. He/she has a menu from which clients can choose. The client pays an amount, gets a specific service. Regardless of the circumstances, the prostitute has to perform. He gets paid, he has to do it. It's like a plumber; you pay, you receive a specific service. NOT any other service. This is a one way street. One side orders, the other performs, then gets paid.

 

The Sex Therapist, Courtesan, Intimacy Expert has a set of skills and specialties. This is not a menu from which the client orders, it is a range of experiences from which the escort can draw to achieve a specific purpose. Clients come with the intention of broadening their horizons, practice intimacy, learn to give and receive pleasure, get over self consciousness, learn how to excel at certain activities, explore, learn, enjoy. The same way a therapist cannot say "If you have a session with me you will be over your PTSD and your self-esteem issues will be fixed", the escort therapist can't work on acts guaranteed, but on the intention of fulfilling the goals set together. This kind of relationship is a two way street and demands the client to be present, able and ready.

 

I know that reading this post, most of you cringed with distaste rolling your eyes at one of the paradigms. If you are interested in the therapist, you might find the prostitute paradigm abusive and dehumanizing. In contrast, if you are interested in the prostitute paradigm you will think the "healer bullshit" is nothing but shame-based crap designed for hookers not to put out.

 

The one thing we have agreed in the past in this forum is that you can't please both camps. You can't be on both. One has to choose, as a client and or an escort.

 

So far all escorts advertise in the same places and appear to offer the same. It is up to us, during the set up communication process to let our customers know what to expect. As long as we are impeccably honest during that process, we will ensure that we will meet with people who understand and share our views about the subject, or at least, who are willing to see what it is about.

 

Communication, people. Direct, honest, good old reliable communication.

 

I'm totally with you on this "in theory". I guess in real life practice I find the lines are way more blurred than this, either that or you have single handedly altered the client base in Vancouver . Maybe it just comes down to semantics...

[Juan Vancouver]

But in my opinion I think Juan's definitions are too restrictive.

 

You have been writing all over this thread that I impose too many restrictions on my clients and now that my definitions are too restrictive. I'd love it if you explained what you mean.

 

I also don't like the term prostitute. Plus Juan seems to denigrate the guys in his first category. I sense a measure of opprobrium in his writing. I also don't understand why guys in his first category can't be considered healers too. From Juan's description, I get the feeling every guy in his first category should be of the wham-bam-thank you sir persuasion-hurrying clients in and out on an assembly line basis. I would say that the majority of guys I've really liked-have all been nice guys who wanted the client to have a good time with them.

 

Absolutely not.

 

It is possible it is you who is projecting that "measure of opprobrium" unto what I wrote because in your mind the word prostitute is very emotionally charged. To me, this only means a person who sells sex acts. You must remember, however, how in MANY threads about this I have written profusely about how both professions are perfectly valid and important, being that there is a demand for both. I have written ad nauseam that great, talented, caring men have chosen either and that even if I chose one, I respect and celebrate that there are men who choose the other. A cursory search on the Forum will give you many examples of me clearly writing this.

 

Absolutely no prostitute shaming here. That is entirely your personal interpretation.

 

And, even though you may "get the feeling" in what I wrote that I think the sex-for-money guys should be the wham bam thank you sir persuasion, I didn't write that. I know there are many amazing prostitutes who will work hard and expertly trying to deliver an unforgettable service to their clients. We have contributors in this forum who very transparently have said that is their job description. Some of those amazing men have talked about how they find absolute pleasure in doing their very best for their clients. I am convinced the service they provide is excellent.

 

I'm totally with you on this "in theory". I guess in real life practice I find the lines are way more blurred than this, either that or you have single handedly altered the client base in Vancouver . Maybe it just comes down to semantics...

 

No, it's definitely not Semantics.

 

I guess my mistake is phrasing my "theory" in such a general way. That is bound to be wrong and I guess that is why many people are so adamant about wanting more blurred lines. Let me be more specific.

 

For me, personally, there is absolutely no gray area between these two ways of seeing this work. Either you see me as a consensual lover whom you have to understand, listen to, and suggest activities, or you see me as an employee that you can order around. If you order me around, even a little, I am not your consensual lover. If I am your consensual lover, you cannot order me around. No blurred lines here.

 

To me, things like respect, cleanliness and consensuality ARE absolute. It's like being HIV positive. You can't be a bit HIV positive. There are no blurred lines between being negative and being positive. You can't be mostly respectful, you can't be mostly consensual. Either you are or you are not.

 

If you or anyone is able to successfully negotiate in your mind a compromise between these two stances, and if that works for you, then power to you! I really have no vested interest in this at all, and I only hope this will make you happier and enjoy your work more.

 

As for having "altered the client base", it occurs to me I may have not been clear enough. I am not asserting that ALL clients that come to me are looking for the therapist and are yearning for consensuality. Far from it. Some do, but some are looking to purchase sex acts under specific conditions. When I hear about this, my job is to explain clearly how I see my profession and what is it that I am willing to agree to. If after this transparent negotiation, under the understanding that I do not sell, negotiate or promise sex acts or bodily fluids and that we will be consensual lovers they agree to meet me, then I know they have accepted to enter into a respectful relationship of equals. Very few might think it is only a legal disclaimer and still will try to order me around, but it only takes a gentle reminder for them to see me again as a consensual equal partner that has to be asked politely and listened to.

 

Some of those clients find it uncomfortable to have to be polite. They never come back. That is for the better.

 

The majority, however, find it refreshing and re-humanizing, understand that if they are with an equal partner and this partner is enjoying what he is doing, it means they are enjoyable themselves, they feel seen, respected, touched. It works really well for many.

 

I don't expect to alter the client base. I only hope to have a true, intimate, human contact with this client, right now.

[RussJohnson]

@Juan Vancouver I'm understanding a bit more now.