Will and Grace Question

[+ Hoover42]

VDN,

 

Could that be Bobby Cannavale?

 

 

...Hoover

[J-Man]

It's Bobby Cannavale, and if you'd like to se a LOT more of him, check out the Season 3 DVD of "Sex and the City." He plays one of Samantha's boyfriends in one of the episodes-- the one who has the the "funky spunk."

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

Hoover and J-Man,

 

Thank you both very much! NOW I remember him from that SATC episode!

 

http://www.famousmalefeet.net/pics/def/cannavale/cannavaleb01s.jpg

 

And, as always, thank you Yahoo! Image Search.

 

 

VDN

[Spida]

Oh he's hot! I havent been watching the show lately, but I think I will start again :-)

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

>Oh he's hot! I havent been watching the show lately, but I

>think I will start again :-)

 

SPIDA I am with you! I just found these wonderful pics from tonight's episode already! The Internet (or as I am calling it tonight, the Interwet) is a glorious thing!

 

And here is some info from the site where I got the pics about tonight's episode. I really liked his character (a gay cop that is a bit of an air head yet so real and lovable).

 

From NBC

 

DON'T GO PLAYING GAMES WITH MY HEART; BOBBY CANNAVALE, BEBE NEUWIRTH & SHARON OSBOURNE GUEST STAR -- Tip-toeing through his budding relationship, an apprehensive Will (Eric McCormack) makes the mistake of taking Grace's (Debra Messing) advice on love, playing hard-to-get with his new pseudo-boyfriend (guest star Bobby Cannavale, "Kingpin"). However, when his game playing causes a rift in this budding romance, Will is left questioning Grace's wisdom in matters of the heart. Meanwhile, a distraught Jack (Sean Hayes) and Karen (Megan Mullally) bravely attempt to soldier on after learning their favorite television show will be going off the air forcing them to say goodbye to their six favorite "Friends" and a psychiatrist named Frasier Crane. Bebe Neuwirth (NBC's "Frasier") guest stars as herself and Sharon Osbourne ("The Osbournes") makes a cameo appearance in the episode.

http://images.nbcmv.com/photos/preview/willgrace/2GRCdc03.jpg

http://willandgrace.tktv.net/Episodes6/images/19.8.jpg

http://willandgrace.tktv.net/Episodes6/images/19.6.jpg

http://willandgrace.tktv.net/Episodes6/images/19.7.jpg

[VaHawk]

Just my opinion, but way to go WILL & GRACE, keep those damn stereotypes cycling thru the str8 media! What the hell, any day now I expect to hear "but some of my best friends are ???".

 

This show has the "stereotypical flaming, effeminate gay" in Jack, the "fag hag girl friend Grace", the sexually ambivalent, ball busting friend Karen, and now the "ulitimate gay fantasy of the queer cop boy friend! Play out all the damn stereotypes already!

[bigguyinpasadena]

For what it is worth,I think Jack would be much better sex than Will.

[Guest Raffy]

Check out "The Station Agent" if you like Bobby Cannavale.

He's hilarious and hot in a great movie.

 

bob

[Paul Revere]

I agree about "The Station Agent" - a great movie, and Bobby was wonderful and very funny in it. And hot too.

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

>Just my opinion, but way to go WILL & GRACE, keep those damn

>stereotypes cycling thru the str8 media! What the hell, any

>day now I expect to hear "but some of my best friends are

>???".

>

>This show has the "stereotypical flaming, effeminate gay" in

>Jack, the "fag hag girl friend Grace", the sexually

>ambivalent, ball busting friend Karen, and now the "ulitimate

>gay fantasy of the queer cop boy friend! Play out all the

>damn stereotypes already!

 

I agree with you. I also admit to consuming this disposable media because it is an escape for me. I watch Trio, Sundance, docu-dramas on Discovery and C-Span when I am feeling all "brainy". Will & Grace, etc., is a show that doesn't help the gay community in general. I must admit I don't find Will or Grace funny. I watch the show for Karen as she makes me laugh ... and that is why we turn to these stupid TV shows.

 

I was watching an episode of "In The Life" and Harvey Firestein gave a great "editorial" about Will & Grace. He said what help does this show do for the G and L community when the male lead is hetero in life but gay in the show and his tv character's best gay friend won't discuss his sexual preference in real life, YET the show is the most watched show with gay leads. I thought it was a good point. And yet, on the other spectrum, there is "Queer as Folk" that is to the extreme of non-reality, IMHO.

 

There is my 2 cents for a Friday payday.

 

VDN

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

>Check out "The Station Agent" if you like Bobby Cannavale.

>He's hilarious and hot in a great movie.

>

>bob

 

Thanks for the great tip.

 

PEACE

 

VDN

 

[+ Lucky]

However entertaining you may find it, this show sucks as far as being an honest representation of gay guys lives. I find it highly annoying to watch and won't until the episode where Will and Jack fuck on the floor!

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

>However entertaining you may find it, this show sucks as far

>as being an honest representation of gay guys lives. I find it

>highly annoying to watch and won't until the episode where

>Will and Jack fuck on the floor!

 

I think the porn title for that episode would be "Will Has No Grace" or "Jack in Face" or "Jack in Will".

[+ Lucky]

It would be okay with me if it was just "Jack Offs Will!"

[Guest rampo]

With all due respect to Mr. Fierstein, I don't think we want to get into a situation where only gays can play gays and straights can play straights. The cast of Frasier alone would have been decimated (still, to my mind, the queerest show on television).

 

I certainly agree with those who find Will & Grace boring, but it is still only a TV show. There are very few, if any, sitcoms that portray characters close to being "real." Still, I suspect that W&G has probably helped more than harmed in getting many straights to lighten up about gays. I doubt that a sitcom about a couple of gay guys who spend far too much time downloading porn and far too much money on male escorts would have that same effect. It might be more realistic, but hardly likely to make it through its first 13 weeks.

[VaHawk]

I really don't understand why you consider Frasier to be the queerest show on television. How so? There are no characters on the show, except Frasier's ex-boss and Roz's ex-boyfriend, that have been depicted as gay, and even those depictions were the once again, typical gay stereotypes that float thru the mainstream media.

 

Outside of David Hyde Pierce and the actor (can't remember his name) who played the sports radio guy Bulldog, what other members of the cast are gay?

 

Just mo, but the so-called benefits of "greater acceptance" of gays, because of stereotypes played out on TV mainstream sitcoms are very questionable. Not anything like those old Amos & Andy, Stepin Fetchit portrayals of Blacks, as they are "so funny and cute", right?

 

What about real portrayals of gay people (both men and women) on a drama series, rather than the silly inane butts of gay jokes on sitcoms? Seen any of those portrayals lately? And why does such a portrayal have to be confined to your self-defined limit of men hiring escorts, as if that once again, represents the majority of the gay community?

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

>I really don't understand why you consider Frasier to be the

>queerest show on television. How so?

 

Albeit for me to speak for rampo BUT the Crane brothers go beyond Metro-sexual. They make the Queer Eye for the Straight Guy team look like a Bush family reunion.

 

I don't think it would take much of a prison term to turn the Crane brothers. As a matter of fact, there was one episode where Patrick Stewart played a gay character on the show that fell in love with Frasier. Frasier, knowing this, did string him along for a time just to get the perks (a seat on the opera board, almost a trip, etc.)

 

Can straight men like opera and all of the fine arts, know their wines, dress with perfection, groom themselves to death and speak with all the pomp and circumstance of the entire royal family combined? Sure. But DAMN, the trip to the rim wouldn't be a long one.

[VaHawk]

As a Frasier fan, I understand the "underplay" of the gayness of the Crane brothers, but once again, don't you think that it is a portrayal of a stereotype that "all gays are wine connossiuers, opera aficionados, and effeminate"? Of course there is no such thing as a butch, manly, sports loving gay man, as that is reserved for straight men, and in turn any straight man who loves theatre, opera, ballet, fine dining and wine is really a "closet queer" - wasn't that the message? It was this very stereotype that led the gay character portrayed by Patrick Stewart (rings my bell by the way, but that's beside the point, and a "whole other thread" ) to hit on Frasier in the first place? And once again, it was the stereotypical gay that was the butt of the joke, which imo, does not refute my opinion.

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

Hello V,

 

>connossiuers, opera aficionados, and effeminate"? Of course

>there is no such thing as a butch, manly, sports loving gay

>man, as that is reserved for straight men, and in turn any

>straight man who loves theatre, opera, ballet, fine dining and

>wine is really a "closet queer" - wasn't that the message?

 

Point taken. Yes, I agree.

 

>was this very stereotype that led the gay character portrayed

>by Patrick Stewart (rings my bell by the way, but that's

>beside the point, and a "whole other thread" )

 

DON'T get me started on him either. I am a HUGE Trek fan (no, I don't have a uniform and no, I have never attended a convention). Stewart proves our current culture of desire and consumption wrong that you need youth and hair to be totally irresistible.

 

Live long and prosper.

 

Rear Admiral VDN

[Paul Revere]

John Mahoney, who plays Martin Crane, is also gay.

[BewareofNick]

You might also remember Bobby as the character Torquemada on Oz. He was the one who FINALL got in Alvarez's pants.

 

http://www.durfee.net/oz/images/Torquemada6.jpg

[VaHawk]

Cool! Thanks for the info, as I sure didn't know that!

[VaHawk]

I'm a HUGE TREK fan also, but not to the point that I would dress up and go to a TREK convention!

 

The ONLY TREK show I have never been able to get into is the current Enterprise one on UPN, despite the fact that they have a lot of "hot" men on the show.

 

Patrick Stewart is HOT!!, and I have known many fellow "gays" who have felt the same! I believe that PS knows that he has a "huge" gay following (perhaps he at least swings both ways? ), which is why he has no qualms playing gay men roles?

 

IMO, STNG was the absolutely best Star Trek series ever, and Patrick Stewart only added to the weekly fix! LOL, I always got "hot" watching him as Picard "tea, Earl Grey, hot", and only watch the reruns on TNT, so I can see him again! Damn, I should have followed my own opinion and made this a different thread!

 

Live long and prosper in return! You are a great guy!

[Guest rampo]

In addition to John Mahoney, David Hyde-Pierce and Dan Butler ("Bulldog"), Edward Hibbert ("Gil Chesterton") is also openly gay. That's a pretty hefty representation for our team. Joe Keenan - author of the very funny gay novels Blue Heaven and Putting on the Ritz - was head writer for several years and certainly has contributed to the show's gay undercurrent. I've always felt that Frasier and Niles are two of television's least believable straight guys, and I have little doubt that that was the scriptwriters' intent. Frasier and Niles are gayer than gay, yet they are straight characters. And certainly having gay Dan Butler play the obnoxiously über-heterosexual Bulldog is one of the inside jokes.

 

As for gay representation on television is general, first off, I was talking about sitcoms. And it was a joke about porn-downloadin', escort-hirin' gays, although they/we do represent a sizeable portion of the gay male population.

 

In real life, most gays are boring, just like straights. You don't get laughs from normal, boring people. That's why sitcoms don't represent real life. They get laughs from strident feminists and slobby straight guys and queeny gay guys and harridan housewives and milktoast husbands and smart-mouthed know-it-all kids. Name most black sitcoms and you will find some black people who think that they contain negative stereotypes. Do you really think Will and Jack are more offensive stereotypes than the Wayans Brothers? There were Asians who were bothered by Margaret Cho's American Girl. (Where ARE the Asian and latino sitcoms?) When Ellen DeGeneres came out and started getting a bit preachy on her show, it sank in the ratings not because people were bothered by her being gay but because the show stopped being funny. You don't watch sitcoms to see real life and real people - you turn the television off for that.

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

>I'm a HUGE TREK fan also, but not to the point that I would

>dress up and go to a TREK convention!

 

I have the entire STNG on VHS (soon to get it all on DVD) and I purchased STV on DVD (season 1 is out). Aside from having books, videos and DVDs that is a far as I go with Star Trek "stuff". I do have a NCC 1701 D cut away poster framed in glass and a STNG Monopoly set given to me as a gift. However, I was a Star Trek FIEND with QVC when they would have their specials.

 

>The ONLY TREK show I have never been able to get into is the

>current Enterprise one on UPN, despite the fact that they have

>a lot of "hot" men on the show.

 

I am having a hard time with it as well because they are really messing with the time line and ST history. And I TOTALLY agree about the hotness factor. Trip is incredible and they have his shirt off a lot this season. Thank goodness for horny Vulcans.

 

>Patrick Stewart is HOT!!, and I have known many fellow "gays"

>who have felt the same! I believe that PS knows that he has a

>"huge" gay following (perhaps he at least swings both ways?

>), which is why he has no qualms playing gay men roles?

 

He is a huge supporter of G and L issues, rights, etc. His role in "Jeffery" was great and he was in attendance at the UK premiere of "Get Real" ... a great movie for any gay teen/young adult to view.

 

>IMO, STNG was the absolutely best Star Trek series ever, and

>Patrick Stewart only added to the weekly fix! LOL, I always

>got "hot" watching him as Picard "tea, Earl Grey, hot", and

>only watch the reruns on TNT, so I can see him again! Damn, I

>should have followed my own opinion and made this a different

>thread!

 

I am sure you were in your glory when we all got to see his ass when he was being tortured by that mean Cardassian. And yes, you should have started another thread BUT I say it's ok since I originally started this one.

 

>Live long and prosper in return! You are a great guy!

 

Ditto. And, in my best Klingon, I say to you ..

 

may' Daa jaHDI' SuvwI' juppu' Daj lonbe