Kim Davis Found In Contempt!!!

[+ Gar1eth]

See post in Politics Section.

 

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/clerk-kim-davis-goes-to-jail-for-contempt.107198/

 

 

 

Gman

[gallahadesquire]

Between this item and Tom Brady's suspension being overturned [ albeit on legal technicalities more than anything], I'm glad to see that a modicum of sanity is returning to the world.

[bostonman]

Yes. All we need now is for Trump to admit that English is not the only viable language in the United States. (But we know that'll never happen.)

[mike carey]

I love the internet story (who knows whether it was real or not) where a woman was challenged for speaking 'Mexican' rather than English (and told to go home) only to say, 'I was speaking Navajo, if you want to speak English go back to England'.

[+ Gar1eth]

I love the internet story (who knows whether it was real or not) where a woman was challenged for speaking 'Mexican' rather than English (and told to go home) only to say, 'I was speaking Navajo, if you want to speak English go back to England'.

 

 

In my sheltered world as a college student, I thought everyone in the United States spoke English. I remember how shocked I was when trying to talk to one of the janitors at my university in Texas (not to be confused with 'of Texas'), and he couldn't speak English. I felt very sad. I thought my university should have duty to teach employees English. I never acted on it. But that's what I thought. Actually I still think that.

 

Gman

[+ Gar1eth]

In my sheltered world as a college student, I thought everyone in the United States spoke English. I remember how shocked I was when trying to talk to one of the janitors at my university in Texas (not to be confused with 'of Texas'), and he couldn't speak English. I felt very sad. I thought my university should have duty to teach employees English. I never acted on it. But that's what I thought. Actually I still think that.

 

Gman

 

I stand to be corrected, however I do not think that the United States of America has an OFFICIAL language,even though American English is the most commonly spoken variant,it is not enshrined in any law as such.I seem to recall historically that German almost became the most dominant language of the States in the early years of the country.

 

Actually I'm pretty conservative on this. While I believe language accommodation should be offered, I do think English should be made the official language. One grandparent, my great-grandparents, and my great-greats had to learn it.

 

Gman

[bostonman]

I appreciate the "melting pot" nature of our country, and though yes, obviously English is the dominant language, and like it or not, it does help to be able to speak it here, in terms of business, etc. But I certainly don't judge anyone for speaking their native language here if it happens not to be English.

 

But really, my original comment was just a dig on Trump. With all of his comments about Mexican immigrants and all that, while he keeps contradicting the controversies and saying that he'll get the Latino vote, it seems to me he just stepped into another pile of shit with his recent comment about Bush's not "setting an example" by speaking a phrase in Spanish. I mean, does the guy think AT ALL before he speaks?

[gallahadesquire]

I stand to be corrected, however I do not think that the United States of America has an OFFICIAL language,even though American English is the most commonly spoken variant,it is not enshrined in any law as such.I seem to recall historically that German almost became the most dominant language of the States in the early years of the country.

 

The second most reliable source of information on the internet says the following:

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/german.asp

[+ Gar1eth]

The second most reliable source of information on the internet says the following:

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/german.asp

 

 

With the Forum here being the first?:D

 

Gman

[gallahadesquire]

I appreciate the "melting pot" nature of our country, and though yes, obviously English is the dominant language, and like it or not, it does help to be able to speak it here, in terms of business, etc. But I certainly don't judge anyone for speaking their native language here if it happens not to be English.

 

But really, my original comment was just a dig on Trump. With all of his comments about Mexican immigrants and all that, while he keeps contradicting the controversies and saying that he'll get the Latino vote, it seems to me he just stepped into another pile of shit with his recent comment about Bush's not "setting an example" by speaking a phrase in Spanish. I mean, does the guy think AT ALL before he speaks?

 

Speak? Speak? Is that what Trump does?

 

From [The Scottish Play by Shakespeare ... hey, I'm a card-carrying Thespian, and I have to respect traditions], somewhere in Act V, Scene V:

 

Out, out, brief candle!

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player

That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

And then is heard no more: it is a tale

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,

Signifying nothing.

[gallahadesquire]

With the Forum here being the first?:D

 

Gman

 

No, no, silly! Wikipedia, of course! We're only #3.

[bostonman]

Speak? Speak? Is that what Trump does?

 

From [The Scottish Play by Shakespeare ... hey, I'm a card-carrying Thespian, and I have to respect traditions], somewhere in Act V, Scene V:

 

Out, out, brief candle!

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player

That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

And then is heard no more: it is a tale

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,

Signifying nothing.

 

And I suppose that Macbeth also thought that he was going "to make Scotland great again..." (and see where that got him, lol.)

[mike carey]

From what I have read there is no offical language in the US. As in Australia there is an effective national language (English) but it is not the official language.

[+ Gar1eth]

From what I have read there is no offical language in the US. As in Australia there is an effective national language (English) but it is not the official language.

 

I'd say that's the same as here.

 

Gman

[+ purplekow]

As far as an official language goes, I vote for Esperanto. I also want us to use Kelvin temperatures, the metric system and the Neuro ----North American Euro.

[mmk123]

Let's get back to the topic at hand

 

SEND THE BITCH TO JAIL!!!!!!!

 

I can respect someone wanting to stick to their beliefs but here is her marriage history

 

Court records detail Kim Davis’ turbulent marital history: She has been married to her current husband twice, with a divorce and another husband in between.

 

She married her first husband, Dwain Wallace, when she was 18, and divorced him in 1994.

 

She acknowledged in a 2008 divorce filing having had two children in 1994 while she was not married.

 

In 1996, at age 30, she married Joe Davis for the first time. They divorced in 2006.

 

The next year, at 40 years old, Davis wed Thomas McIntryre, though their marriage lasted less than a year. She re-married Joe Davis in 2009.

 

 

Read more at http://m.snopes.com/kim-davis-married-four-times/#Dlq7mKc7VOzj228R.99

 

 

For someone with 4 marriages under her belt she is far from someone to judge who should or should not get a marriage license.

[+ Gar1eth]

Let's get back to the topic at hand

 

SEND THE BITCH TO JAIL!!!!!!!

 

You're in luck. That's where she is.

 

Gman

[american executive]

Quite simply she should be fired and banned from any further government jobs.

[Guest]

Quite simply she should be fired and banned from any further government jobs.

I don't think she can't be fired, because it's an elected position. But I think she'll eventually have to quit. Or relent. Or stay in jail.

[RadioRob]

There are processes to impeach elected officials. There are also processes for the Attorney General to charge her with gross neglect, etc. None of them are fast processes however.

 

Her fastest way out of prison is to resign or permit the marriage. I know the defense was not seeking jail time as a sentence, however federal judges don't like their orders not being followed. They're not the type of people you want to fuck with or piss off. lol

 

But if you think about it, the judge's statement make sense. If she was simply fined, the religious right would have boatload of money raised in under 24 hours for her. It would not be a real deterrent in any way. Let her rot in a federal prison for a bit... then she can really think and pray about her beliefs. She literally has her own get out of jail free card... she can agree to do her job and issue marriage licenses in accordance with the law or she can resign. The ball is in her court how long she wants to play victim. But at least sitting in jail, no big fundraiser is going to help her.

[+ Gar1eth]

Quite simply she should be fired and banned from any further government jobs.

 

I don't think she can't be fired, because it's an elected position. But I think she'll eventually have to quit. Or relent. Or stay in jail.

 

She can't be fired as it's an elected position. Per Kentucky law the main way she can be removed is impeachment. No one has mentioned a recall vote-so it may not be possible in Kentucky. And in any case as conservative as Kentucky is, there's a good chance an impeachment and a recall would both fail. And I'm not sure what happens if she is successfully charged with misconduct. She might be jailed at the worst and still be county clerk.

 

Gman

[+ Gar1eth]

There are processes to impeach elected officials. There are also processes for the Attorney General to charge her with gross neglect, etc. None of them are fast processes however.

 

Her fastest way out of prison is to resign or permit the marriage. I know the defense was not seeking jail time as a sentence, however federal judges don't like their orders not being followed. They're not the type of people you want to fuck with or piss off. lol

 

But if you think about it, the judge's statement make sense. If she was simply fined, the religious right would have boatload of money raised in under 24 hours for her. It would not be a real deterrent in any way. Let her rot in a federal prison for a bit... then she can really think and pray about her beliefs. She literally has her own get out of jail free card... she can agree to do her job and issue marriage licenses in accordance with the law or she can resign. The ball is in her court how long she wants to play victim. But at least sitting in jail, no big fundraiser is going to help her.

 

That was my thought about a fine. I was sure it would be covered by donations. She's in jail now not a federal prison. Judge Bunning said she could be released if her office was issuing licenses. But he doesn't want her out and stopping the office from issuing licenses and trying more legal maneuvers. So it will be interesting to see how long she stays in. Reportedly incarceration is not meant to be punitive in this case but coercive. So if the office is issuing licenses in spite of her, she could be freed. But again, she would most likely try to stop it once freed. So who knows what will happen.

 

There is also a legal question of whether the sub clerks affixing her signature to forms without her consent makes the forms invalid. I have trouble thinking Kentucky would after the fact say the licenses were invalid. But who knows -they might. If I were a same sex couple-and possibly even a traditional couple-once I obtained a license from Rowan county I might also go one county over and get another license from a county that is issuing them. Have the minister sign both-just as a precaution.

 

Gman

[Guest Starbuck]

This from Renee Graham in The Boston Globe ...

 

Kim Davis follows the footsteps of George Wallace

 

Here's a link to the piece...

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/09/03/renee-graham-kim-davis-follows-footsteps-george-wallace/4Hqsf6bhQoXMwhjLu0cMLO/story.html

 

And an excerpt...

 

Kim Davis is in jail for contempt of court for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, but make no mistake: this uncivil civil servant isn’t a religious freedom fighter. She’s a homophobe, pure and simple.

 

...Now Davis will play the martyr, tossed behind bars for putting the laws of God above those of mere mortals. Even after the Supreme Court ruled against her, Davis spent the week telling gay men and lesbians that in rejecting their request for a marriage license, she was acting “under God’s authority.”

 

...Wrong and strong, Davis’s actions are reminiscent of Alabama Governor George Wallace’s infamous “Stand in the Schoolhouse Door.” In 1963, Wallace, who had declared “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever,” literally stood in a doorway at the University of Alabama to block two black students from entering the school, despite federal laws. Of course, this was nothing more than a political show for the cameras and segregationists. After jabbering on about states’ rights — as shallow an argument as it had been a century earlier during the Civil War — Wallace eventually stepped away, a small man pushed aside by the resolve of a nation struggling to be just.

 

Defying the rule of law didn’t work for Wallace, and it won’t work for Davis ... [but] even the shameless Wallace didn’t try to hide his bigotry behind the Bible.

 

“To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of a marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience,” Davis wrote in a statement issued by the conservative Liberty Counsel, which is representing her in federal court. “It is not a light issue for me. It is a heaven or hell decision.”

 

As Mahalia Jackson once sang, “Everybody talkin’ ’bout heaven ain’t going there.”

[Tonyko]

I think this sadsack chick intentionally TRUMPED. (knows she didn't have a "prayer" but made herself a brand) and can cash in on her martyrdom so her sad hillbilly Kraft Mac And Cheese life will go from a humdrum 9-5 job to being flown around the country by the Christian Right to be interviewed and lecture and rake in donations to aid her lack of income due to her Strong Christian Stance against Saaaaaatan. HOPING only Fox continues to make her news, and the rest of us let her fade into media obscurity like the Aussie couple who'd divorce if equality passed, or Kirk Cameron.

[Vato Loco]

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