Ryan Thick's 24th Review & Response

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

If the reviewer hadn't been with a guy for 10 years, how does he know he paid $300 for $100 service?

[Epigonos]

Damn big-n-tall you do have excellent "taste"!!!!!

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Maybe I'm sort of proving your final point by beating this to death - that the easier default is to just be quiet - but it seems to me that you answered your own question here, Gareth. The reason that I think everyone is having trouble with this review is that it really doesn't makes sense. Unlike the reviews you chose not to write, this one doesn't say much about what happened, or how it did or did not match with what the client expected, or communicated about what he expected, or what Ryan had promised, other than that the client wanted and didn't get a "boyfriend experience." I've read the review about 10 times trying to see it from the client's perspective, and one thing that jumps out the more I read it is that the client may not even have words or ideas to describe what actually happened or what he wanted, because as he says he is totally inexperienced, not only with escorts, but with sex with men. As you say, how could you expect a client who has limited sexual experience with men to be good at narrating his first experience in 10 years? If what happened doesn't make sense to him, it's not going to make sense to us either, and it doesn't. Ryan's first sentence says it all. I'd be at a loss for words.

 

When I was in a mode where I was having a lot of appointments with new clients every month, every once in a while I made a decision during an appointment to not charge the client, mostly because I felt like I hadn't met some stated or unstated expectation - either their's or my own. Note that the client himself made a financial calculation in his review. He paid $300, but felt like he only got $100 service. If he explained that Ryan had promised to fuck him, but he showed up and couldn't get hard, or that he told Ryan he liked to kiss, but Ryan wasn't really into that, the statement about "$100 service" would be a hurtful but valid slam. Instead, the only thing we have to go on is that Ryan "just got into sex," which to me kind of defines what is supposed to happen during a one hour appointment. And if it's fair for the client to say that what it boils down to is that a $300 appointment was worth $100 in his view, it's definitely fair for Ryan to point out that the only person that matches this client's description was using "substances," because that could easily have made something already coming out sideways really come out backward.

 

Looking at this through the client's eyes, the only logical conclusion I can reach is that if you spend an hour with a really hot looking escort and all you get is sex, as opposed to a "boyfriend experience," it's only worth $100. If I were a good looking 34 year old, I might very well feel that way. By that standard, my guess is a lot more reviews on this site would be negative ones, and a lot more escorts would be at a loss for words about what they did wrong. Whether the client is fictional or real, I can definitely empathize with him, because as I said already he's just like me when I first came out - good looking, 34, nervous, and confused. The fact of the matter is that even when I hooked up with guys that did take control, which is what the guy said he wanted, and delivered what I'm sure was their version of a "boyfriend experience," like taking me back to their apartment from a bar and trying to fuck me, it still didn't really work out all that well for me, because I was so nervous and confused about what I was doing, or even whether I was actually gay. I actually read the statement about Grindr different than everyone else, meaning that instead of making the review sound fake, it seemed like the client was telling the truth. He actually said, "I would have been better hooking up on grinder truthfully". I agree with him. We're all reading tea leaves, but I read that as a tacit confession that he didn't really know what he was doing, and afterward he felt he may as well have gotten whatever he got for free, and learned slowly through trial and error. That's what I did in the pre-Grindr era. Assuming this client is real, and is reading this, I'd encourage you to do the same. From an escort's perspective, an appointment with a client like you is almost doomed to failure. And we want you to succeed, because - who knows - someday you might actually grow up to be just like us. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

Wow. Nicely said.

[tedbear]

There was an escort a few years ago who had a great reputation and had been recommended to me by no less than my favorite escort Steven Kesslar. This guy has since been a runner-up for EOY. He obviously has what it takes. We did not hit it off for whatever reason. I was severely disappointed. He was a nice guy by all means, but sexually, we just didn't seem to click. I did not write a review. I could have written a review saying how badly things had gone, but I didn't see the point. It obviously was something between us, somehow, that spoiled the evening.

[+ stevenkesslar]

There was an escort a few years ago who had a great reputation and had been recommended to me by no less than my favorite escort Steven Kesslar.

 

I heard about this guy Kesslar. He's got a big god damn mouth, but his judgment obviously sucks.

[MiamiLooker]

I heard about this guy Kesslar. He's got a big god damn mouth, but his judgment obviously sucks.

 

I took this lightly in my earlier post in this thread:

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/ryan-thicks-24th-review-response.105411/#post-973340

 

It’s obviously a much more serious issue than I imagined.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I took this lightly in my earlier post in this thread:

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/ryan-thicks-24th-review-response.105411/#post-973340

 

It’s obviously a much more serious issue than I imagined.

 

Absolutely, Miami. I didn't say it because I try to be brief when I post, but Kesslar is also obviously a total narcissist. I'd say he needs to go spend some time with a trained psychologist, and fast!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

 

Meanwhile, this thread is about Ryan, so let's leave it at that and not make it all about some aging queen.

[mike carey]

I am in no position to comment on Ryan from personal experience, but I don't think I need to be. His reviews say it all. I have exchanged e-mails with Alec, who was delightful in his responses to me, and I defer to his recommendation to 'try both of us'.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I defer to his recommendation to 'try both of us'.

 

Wow! Talk about having your cake and eating it, too.

[tyro]

JELLY!

T

[leeper]

I have tried both - separately on different days. They were both wonderful! I think Ryan's unsatisfied client must have had expectations that he didn't communicate. Remember no one can read your mind, not even some of the most beautiful men in existence.

[curiousnomore]

Ryan handled the review very well. A ton of great reviews vs this one bad one. Let's see, I'd still hire Ryan without a second thought.

[tedbear]

I've had my eye on Ryan for a while now, just waiting for the day I can get out to LA. This one review certainly won't move him back down the line. I hope to see him one day yet.

[Despardo]

http://daddysreviews.com/search/Active/ryan thick/ryan_thick_la

 

I was wondering what other people think of his unfortunately negative review and subsequent response. It was interesting to note that client mentioned specifics like the date of May 16th although not much else. Ryan mentioned the client may have been on substances. What would other sex workers do with clients that are inebriated? How often does that occur?

 

 

The client states he is 34 and has not had sex with a man in 10 years. Oh please! Even if it were true, who would put that in print? Sounds like a total flake to me.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

The client states he is 34 and has not had sex with a man in 10 years. Oh please! Even if it were true, who would put that in print? Sounds like a total flake to me.

 

On that I disagree. Clients often make statements like this in reviews.

[Despardo]

On that I disagree. Clients often make statements like this in reviews.

 

Yes, I suppose you are right. Not something I would say, but... What drives me nuts about many reviews is when the first 3 paragraphs are devoted to how long the client thought about hiring the escort, how many times they texted or emailed each other, how long the cab ride took, how he forgot to put his cellphone on the charger, and lots of other details which are USUALLY not even remotely interesting. Then, just when you think the reviewer is finally going to cut to the chase, he says something like--well, I don't want to go into details about the sex itself. So why did I just read through 3 paragraphs of totally pointless and mundane drivel about stuff nobody cares about? Not that I'm judgmental or anything...

[anotherjohnindupont]

http://daddysreviews.com/search/Active/ryan thick/ryan_thick_la

 

I was wondering what other people think of his unfortunately negative review and subsequent response. It was interesting to note that client mentioned specifics like the date of May 16th although not much else. Ryan mentioned the client may have been on substances. What would other sex workers do with clients that are inebriated? How often does that occur?

 

Having met him and hired him, I think it's a fake review from a competitor.

[+ purplekow]

Well it seems to me one bad review was worth 15 good ones. People have come forward to defend Ryan, who seems like a sweet guy but I never actually got to taste the honey.....next time stay in NYC a little long Ryan. He has gotten some well earned and likely well deserved praise. We as readers have had lots of nice descriptions of just how great looking and muscular and sexy and friendly and big dicked and kind Ryan is. No wonder someone snapped and went all rogue on Ryan. That much good piled into that much good looking is just too much for most mere mortals to bear.

[bobnyc]

I would agree with you except for the following where Ryan writes,

 

"... The only person I can possibly imagine this client to be was a very anxious but nice guy who was also enjoying other substances while we were spending time together... perhaps skewing his judgement? I'm just not sure. "

Gman

 

I agree with Gman here that Ryan's response was almost perfect except for mentioning this. If he cannot remember the client for sure then this is pure speculation on his part and colors both his response and the review in ways that make it hard for me to take the response seriously. I would have respected the response a lot more if he had left that part out.

 

And before anyone jumps on me as a hater, I have seen Ryan three times and had fun each time. However, I had issues that no one has ever mentioned in their reviews (which I do find odd since both issues are ones that people have mentioned about other escorts before) and which is why I do not take many of the glowing positive reviews as seriously as I used to. It really leads to unrealistic expectations.

[instudiocity]

I agree with Gman here that Ryan's response was almost perfect except for mentioning this. If he cannot remember the client for sure then this is pure speculation on his part and colors both his response and the review in ways that make it hard for me to take the response seriously. I would have respected the response a lot more if he had left that part out.

 

And before anyone jumps on me as a hater, I have seen Ryan three times and had fun each time. However, I had issues that no one has ever mentioned in their reviews (which I do find odd since both issues are ones that people have mentioned about other escorts before) and which is why I do not take many of the glowing positive reviews as seriously as I used to. It really leads to unrealistic expectations.

Thank you, Mr. Prosecutor. Now how about considering another perspective?

 

How about Ryan genuinely reflecting on the possibly the reviewer was actually a dissatisfied client. His reflection could also be viewed as introspection as to whom he may not have been totally satisfactory. He even wrote "I'm just not sure."

Thank you, also, for dropping this stinking turd into our discussion:

"I have seen Ryan three times and had fun each time. However, I had issues that no one has ever mentioned in their reviews (which I do find odd since both issues are ones that people have mentioned about other escorts before)"

You had issues? Secret issues never mentioned In reviews concerning this escort? Yet, you had fun, enough fun that you went back again and again?

 

What do you want the August Readers of this forum to take from your comment?

[+ Gar1eth]

Thank you, Mr. Prosecutor. Now how about considering another perspective?

 

How about Ryan genuinely reflecting on the possibly the reviewer was actually a dissatisfied client. His reflection could also be viewed as introspection as to whom he may not have been totally satisfactory. He even wrote "I'm just not sure."

Thank you, also, for dropping this stinking turd into our discussion:

 

"I have seen Ryan three times and had fun each time. However, I had issues that no one has ever mentioned in their reviews (which I do find odd since both issues are ones that people have mentioned about other escorts before)"

You had issues? Secret issues never mentioned In reviews concerning this escort? Yet, you had fun, enough fun that you went back again and again?

 

What do you want the August Readers of this forum to take from your comment?

 

And once again we see the danger in saying anything against an escort that is beloved on the Forum.

 

Gman

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

And once again we see the danger in saying anything against an escort that is beloved on the Forum.

 

Gman

 

What, a healthy discussion with opinions from both sides? Personally I think it's good thing and had been pretty civil considering how some of the threads go. Nobody has gotten hurt here—if anything, Ryan looks even better, and if the client is real he's gotten some fairly useful advice from both other clients and escorts (especially Epigonos and SK) about what to expect and how to act when hiring.

 

As far as Ryan's response, I think it shows a couple of things. One: he doesn't know 100% who the client is because the guy wrote a review that's so vague it appears to be not real, and the client apparently didn't bother communicating during or after the appointment so Ryan could have at least had the opportunity to try to fix things then.

 

Two: The fault usually lies with both parties and not just with the client or the escort (assuming that the particular client Ryan thinks it may be actually is the one who wrote the review). Drug use aside—we are service providers and human beings, and a large and important part of the success of appointments is based on chemistry and communication. We can't be expected to bring everything to the table and to shoulder all responsibility for the success or failure of an appointment. The whole adage that "the customer is always right" might apply when your steak is overcooked, but when a client arrives and expects a certain type of chemistry to develop in an unrealistic time period and doesn't communicate and on top of everything does drugs is not "always right" when the appointment belly flops off the high dive. Personally, I think if this isn't hypothetical he doesn't even deserve the apology that was given here. Most escorts I know (myself included) would have told the guy to get the fuck out if he whipped out anything stronger than poppers, and that BFE would have ended right then and there.

[+ Gar1eth]

What, a healthy discussion with opinions from both sides?

 

I don't think that the expression 'dropping this stinking turd' or some of the other comments in instudiocity's response indicate a 'healthy discussion'. They sound to me more like personal attacks. I'm kind of surprised at you, Chris. I thought you were one of the more thoughtful escorts on here. But you seem to be blindly taking Ryan's side from a review that when stripped down to its basic element only said that he didn't think Ryan's performance lived up to Ryan's fee. The reviewer might have gone a little far with the Grindr comment. Still if he was frustrated and trying to make a comparison, the statement is understandable. The reviewer didn't say Ryan was a fake, didn't live up to his pictures, was on drugs, or many other worse things that could have been said.

 

I've definitely come down in favor of escorts before when I thought the review was wrong. This review in the general scheme of bad reviews is not the most horrible review ever. For the escorts who have responded to the thread totally in favor of Ryan without even considering that the reviewer just might be in the right this time seems to me to be the escort equivalent of the saying 'my country-right or wrong,' or in essence 'Ryan must be right and the reviewer inexperienced, crazy, didn't know what he wanted because he is only a client and Ryan is an escort.'

 

Gman

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I don't think that the expression 'dropping this stinking turd' or some of the other comments in instudiocity's response indicate a 'healthy discussion'. They sound to me more like personal attacks. I'm kind of surprised at you, Chris. I thought you were one of the more thoughtful escorts on here. But you seem to be blindly taking Ryan's side from a review that when stripped down to its basic element only said that he didn't think Ryan's performance lived up to Ryan's fee. The reviewer might have gone a little far with the Grindr comment. Still if he was frustrated and trying to make a comparison, the statement is understandable. The reviewer didn't say Ryan was a fake, didn't live up to his pictures, was on drugs, or many other worse things that could have been said.

 

I've definitely come down in favor of escorts before when I thought the review was wrong. This review in the general scheme of bad reviews is not the most horrible review ever. For the escorts who have responded to the thread totally in favor of Ryan without even considering that the reviewer just might be in the right this time seems to me to be the escort equivalent of the saying 'my country-right or wrong,' or in essence 'Ryan must be right and the reviewer inexperienced, crazy, didn't know what he wanted because he is only a client and Ryan is an escort.'

 

Gman

 

Uh huh. I don't pick sides blindly and I love to play devil's advocate just to get people to try to see the possibilities of the other side every once in a while. You and I both know that there are threads that turn into screaming matches over paint colors or other benign topics. This one has been relatively calm. Of course there will always be snark and snide comments, no matter what the intent of the original post. I got some the other day telling people to be careful when hiring off Backpage. My own opinion is that the review is fake—given the set of circumstances described, my own experiences, and my knowledge of Ryan through my own interactions and reports from people like Bart and Amoco (both of whom are well-trusted and prolific hirers). Could I see how it could be real? Oh yeah—and I have Epigonos to blame for that. Of course it could be real, and if it is AND if he's the client Ryan thinks he is—then I would still be in the boat in which I am currently. If the client shows up or Ryan posts an update, then I'll weigh that and change my opinion if necessary. But I am open to doing that, and realize not everything is cut and dried, because there may be more behinds the scenes.

 

I don't think disagreeing with each other has anything to do with being thoughtful or not. I think most of the people on the Forum (and I stated this to Billionaire Assistant) are here to glean useful information and to pass the same along to other people who are looking for it, so that everyone can have a good, safe time. And I definitely fall into that category. The truth is rarely black or white and a debate is often the best way to shake the fruit from the tree. And I don't think just because Ryan is well-liked that he managed to navigate this well. That's his doing.

[MiamiLooker]

Of course there will always be snark and snide comments, no matter what the intent of the original post. I got some the other day telling people to be careful when hiring off Backpage.

Do you have a link to the snark and snide comments you received?