Ryan Thick's 24th Review & Response

[instudiocity]

One "not recommended" does not make for a trend, whereas the number of "recommended" reviews that Ryan has do make a trend. I have spent time with Ryan and he is a class act and a sweetheart to boot!

On "Not Recommended" is a badge of honor concerning Ryan's humanity.

 

Isn't everything in life similar to the baseball analogy? You win some, you lose some and some get rained on with buckets of cum?

 

I like the concept expressed as "I'm not perfect, but you should see how I am when I know I've made a mistake. I'm going to make it right, RIGHT NOW!"

 

That's about all anyone could ask.

[instudiocity]

"This was my first time with a man in 10 years. I picked Ryan because I was looking for the BF experience. I hate to admit it but he did not deliver. He came across tired and jaded. As a client paying 300.00 I basically received 100.00 service. He didn't care to know me and just got into sex without taking control. I had some fun but it was more headaches than it was worth. I would have been better hooking up on grinder truthfully."

 

To me, the last line makes this entire review sound fake.

This client makes it apparent he's ignorant of Grindr, too.

 

Now tell me, what gay man goes from 24 years of age to 34 years of age with no sex? Talk about getting FUCKED!

[ZhenXBear]

Isn't a phone number required for a reviewer? I've only written one but I seem to recall that being a required field for at least your first review?

 

From my perspective, even if Ryan didn't recall this person or even if it never happened, his measured and professional response demonstrates his desire to make it known that if anyone ever did have issues with his companionship he'd want to make it right. It also paints a positive image for prospective clients that "this situation is atypical".

 

This being said I think it's horrible of someone to weaponize the review process if they never actually spent time with the Escort or the Escort chose not to accommodate them (for whatever reason)...let alone spinning a contrived review for malicious intent.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, if I had gone ten years without sex my version of the BFE with Ryan (who I have seen naked in person, up close) would consist of: "Here, hop up in this sling for a bit so we can be boyfriends."

[bigvalboy]

Ryan is a hunk, but more important, he is a genuinely sweet soul.

 

Good to see you posting jawjateck.. This place could use a little dose of the truth.

 

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn19/WadeBallard/Mark%20Patton/JD1.jpg

[ZhenXBear]

Yeah, if I had gone ten years without sex my version of the BFE with Ryan (who I have seen naked in person, up close) would consist of: "Here, hop up in this sling for a bit so we can be boyfriends."

 

LOL, too funny Chris.

 

My personal time in the Fortress of Solitude was over 3 years. I can't even begin to describe how badly I missed intimate human touch; to be held, hugged, to kiss and to cuddle, nor how upset I am with myself for that spiraled descent into isolationism. Ten years seems unfathomable to me.

[tyro]

Ryan is a hunk, but more important, he is a genuinely sweet soul.

 

Well, hey there sir! Nice to see (read?) you back amongst your "cyber-homies."

T

[MiamiLooker]

Wait what? Hold the freakin phone a minute. And sooooo? You thought you could just sneak in and out of the back door without any of us noticing? Good to see you posting jawjateck!!! Hope you stick around. This place could use a little dose of the truth.

 

Jawjateck:

http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1209/Please-Come-Back-Quote-Card_1568137.jpg

 

Tomorrow should be interesting. You could make it so much moreso...

[bigvalboy]

Jawjateck:

http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1209/Please-Come-Back-Quote-Card_1568137.jpg

 

Tomorrow should be interesting. You could make it so much moreso...

 

You've been awarded......

[+ stevenkesslar]

Right, because we've never had fake reviews posted.

 

Yeah, if I had gone ten years without sex my version of the BFE with Ryan (who I have seen naked in person, up close) would consist of: "Here, hop up in this sling for a bit so we can be boyfriends."

 

Boy, I guess I get to use my older and wiser card all day today.

 

I got into it on the forum with Daddy back in 2009 when a review that was widely believed to be fake was posted on Kristian. I actually thought I heard subsequently that Daddy got another fake review from the same IP address, but maybe that's just a sign of my age-onset dementia. I just checked and the review and Kristian's response still stands. One way or the other that was review #51, in 2009, and he's now at #75, in 2014, and the immediate effect of the bad review was the same as this one - everybody rallied behind him. So nobody was wrong back then, with the possible exception of the fake reviewer, and Kristian came out of it just fine. Seems like Ryan will, too.

 

Chris, I tried to sound like a classy whore when I referred to Ryan, who I simply called "handsome." I implied that if I wanted to get to know him, I might invite him to dinner, or a play. Now you have to cheapen things by stating that if you wanted the BFE with Ryan, you'd just throw the poor young boy up on a sling. Since you are an Escort of the Year, maybe you need to educate me about the difference between sounding like a classy whore, and a cheap slut?

[Amoco]

Right, because we've never had fake reviews posted.

 

No idea whether or not fake reviews have been published, but for the purposes of THIS discussion, I was just making clear that Daddy makes it crystal clear that no reviews will be published based on no shows by either party. If you have knowledge to the contrary, I'm certainly interested. And in regard to Killian's point about threats being made by clients in response to an escort refusing to meet them, I was reminding everybody that AJ had initiated a pile on on a guy who was a no show, and lo and behold, he was guilty of doing the same thing - in fact, he made a joke about the client pursuing him for more than a year despite his treatment of them. You remember, Chris, you suggested inviting AJ into the discussion, which I did, and he opted to not respond. Of course, there was no further discussion. My point being that both clients and escorts - even at AJ's level - behave badly at times. The escort is no more oppressed than the clients, and for what it's worth, that's the cost of doing business in the service industry.

[+ stevenkesslar]

You've been awarded......

 

I don't even agree with jawjateck's perspective on my recent rant, but just to prove Miami Looker wrong, I don't expect everybody to agree with me, and I enjoy discussing issues from all perspectives. That's why I went to jawjateck's website and cut and pasted his perspective and put it in the middle of my rant, if only to state I don't completely agree with it. It is always better to get it straight from the horse's mouth (or ass). So on this one I agree completely with Miami Looker and BVB. Besides, jawjateck is a former client who I'm personally very fond of, and if it's possible to enjoy having sex with a client as much as y'all seem to wanna have sex with Ryan, jawjateck is the guy. Granted, he's not a twenty something, but being a diversity and tolerance freak I don't hold age against anybody.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I was just making clear that Daddy makes it crystal clear that no reviews will be published based on no shows by either party. If you have knowledge to the contrary, I'm certainly interested. And in regard to Killian's point about threats being made by clients in response to an escort refusing to meet them....

 

This is morphing from a discussion about a specific review to a discussion about policies, but I can tell you my experience on that.

 

The only negative review that I had, which was NOT posted, occurred in Hooboy's day, when somebody who was trying to get me to meet them at a discounted rate wrote a negative review trashing me, after I refused to meet with him. Hooboy sent me a draft of the review, and I went into full-on verbal diarrhea mode explaining to Hooboy in an email why I thought it set an awful precedent that would allow clients to blackmail escorts to lower their rate. Hooboy responded with an apology and said his policy is if you haven't eaten at the restaurant, you can't write a review on it.

 

I know the policy stands, because I just had a 2 day appointment with a long-term client who described how he'd set up an appointment with an escort while he (the client) was traveling, and the escort flaked out on him at the last minute. He tried to write a negative review, and was told he couldn't, because the appointment never took place. If I understood him right, he was told he could post something on the forum, which I think he said he did.

 

On this one, I would argue that there actually should be a double standard between escorts and clients, because escorts are supposed to be the professionals in this interaction. I've had clients flake on me where it cost me money, as I described in one recent post about a client that flaked on a multi-day appointment at the last minute when I was already on the other side of the US from where I live, but my view is that it goes with the territory. It's a different thing when a client flies to the other side of the country expecting to meet with an escort who he had planned an appointment with well in advance, and the escort goes AWOL. I'd be pissed. I can go back and read what I wrote in 2009 about what I thought was a fake review, and I think my perspective is still valid - there is information in this forum that is useful and isn't necessarily included in the reviews. Consistent no shows are a perfect example of that.

 

I'm actually grateful to Daddy about the same thing that irked me back in 2009, because the nice thing is that you actually can go back and read what people said about an escort who got an allegedly fake review back in 2009, if you choose to. Hopefully in 2020 when Hillary is running for her second term (did you hear that, PK?) if Ryan is still escorting people will be able to look back and read what's being written about this review. That says something about the value of this site. Granted, it puts the burden of proof on clients to do their homework. But as a lifelong data geek and as an escort that would prefer to always be given the benefit of the doubt, I don't really have a problem with that.

[Strafe13]

No idea whether or not fake reviews have been published, but for the purposes of THIS discussion, I was just making clear that Daddy makes it crystal clear that no reviews will be published based on no shows by either party. If you have knowledge to the contrary, I'm certainly interested. And in regard to Killian's point about threats being made by clients in response to an escort refusing to meet them, I was reminding everybody that AJ had initiated a pile on on a guy who was a no show, and lo and behold, he was guilty of doing the same thing - in fact, he made a joke about the client pursuing him for more than a year despite his treatment of them. You remember, Chris, you suggested inviting AJ into the discussion, which I did, and he opted to not respond. Of course, there was no further discussion. My point being that both clients and escorts - even at AJ's level - behave badly at times. The escort is no more oppressed than the clients, and for what it's worth, that's the cost of doing business in the service industry.

 

I thought I remembered Rod Hagen getting some fake reviews a few years ago, which were only removed when he produced proof to Daddy that he wasn't in town at the time the session allegedly occurred. Maybe this whole story's just in my head?

 

At any rate, I submitted one of Ryan's most recent reviews just 3 or 4 months ago. My review was glowing, as his service was exceptional. So, I find this review to be hard to believe. However, Ryan's classy response was completely in character. Keep your head up, big guy! :-*

[Epigonos]

Guy this is one of those occasions where I think we all need to stand back, take a deep breath, and cut BOTH the client and the escort some slack. The client has obviously not hired an escort before and likely entered the situation with expectations that were too high. The escort is highly thought of, well reviewed and was probably unable to read the signals the clients was “attempting” to convey. There really doesn’t appear to be a victim or a victimizer here. Those of us who have been hiring for years learned early on that there are occasions where we hire an outstanding escorts and the chemistry just isn’t there. It isn’t the escorts fault, it isn’t our fault – it just happens so we chalk the whole thing up to experience and move on.

 

Now as an ending caveat: I hired Ryan and Alec when they were working together. They came to my place for lunch and then we spent a couple of hours playing around. For me it was a great experience, however, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it would be for “everybody”.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

They came to my place for lunch...

 

Were there bacon-wrapped dates?

[+ Gar1eth]

This client makes it apparent he's ignorant of Grindr, too.

 

Now tell me, what gay man goes from 24 years of age to 34 years of age with no sex? Talk about getting FUCKED!

 

I remained a total virgin until I was 41. I hadn't even experienced a Fr kiss. Everyone's situation is different. It's definitely possible.

 

While I would have preferred more details in the review, I am not sure why everyone is having trouble with it. Some reviewers are not good narrators. While it hasn't happened in a long time, I have met a few guys on Daddy's with stellar reviews that I did not have a stellar time with. Most of them were not g*d awful times although once I was fairly upset because the escort seemed to promise ahead of time a lot more than what eventually happened. In those three or so cases I thought about writing a review, and I probably should have. But I knew there would be attacks on my veracity because at the time those escorts were Forum Favorites-just like is happening now with this reviewer. And I preferred not having to read posts where people questioned my veracity.

 

Gman

[Epigonos]

Chris the whole world loves a smart ass, well at least I do.

[whipped guy]

Guy this is one of those occasions where I think we all need to stand back, take a deep breath, and cut BOTH the client and the escort some slack. The client has obviously not hired an escort before and likely entered the situation with expectations that were too high. The escort is highly thought of, well reviewed and was probably unable to read the signals the clients was “attempting” to convey. There really doesn’t appear to a victim or a victimizer here. Those of us who have been hiring for years learned early on that there are occasions where we hire an outstanding escorts and the chemistry just isn’t there. It isn’t the escorts fault, it isn’t our fault – it just happens so we chalk the whole thing up to experience and move on.

 

Now as an ending caveat: I hired Ryan and Alec when they were working together. They came to my place for lunch and then we spent a couple of hours playing around. For me it was a great experience, however, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it would be for “everybody”.

Epigonos, you are the voice of reason here. None of us were there and many are jumping to conclusions. Still as you say all of us have hired well reviewed escorts where there was a lack of chemistry. I have never submitted a review in such cases. I sit back, access the situation, and decide if I want to give the guy another try or simply move on.

 

However, I am reminded of an incident where a friend hired a soon to be EOY for one if his first experiences. It was a complete disaster. The poor client really did not know what he wanted and had quite a few misconceptions about what it was all about. Consequently, the escort with all of his prior experience just could not read him properly. Fortunately, spending some time with another well-reviewed guy got the client back on track. In fact he subsequently hired that original escort a number of times and they developed a nice working relationship.

 

Now, the review might be bogus, but if the client had not been with a guy for ten years I can easily see how would be totally confused regarding what to expect. I don't want to go any further as then I would be guilty of conjecture myself. However, based on the experience of my friend that might be a possibility.

 

In any event, Ryan gave the proper response. Plus, being in business myself for more years that I want to remember, it is indeed impossible to please everyone one hundred percent of the time. Ryan's ninety-plus percent positive rating is certainly as close as anyone in the real world can realistically achieve.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Chris the whole world loves a smart ass, well at least I do.

 

I will quite happily give you props on your food skills. Perhaps—one day in the kitchen...

[maninsoma]

I don't know Ryan, but I agree that his response more than made up for any negative impression given by the review.

 

I, too, found myself questioning the veracity of the review, particularly the closing line about how the reviewer should have just done a hook up. If the guy truly hasn't had sex with anyone for the past 10 years, how is it that he knows he would have easily been able to get his needs met on an app like Grindr? I can see that he might have heard about the app, but if he's never used it to hook up then how could he possibly know what sort of experience he would have had had he used Grindr instead of contacting an escort? There's a fundamental lack of logic in this that causes me to think the entire review was made up.

[Rudynate]

http://daddysreviews.com/search/Active/ryan thick/ryan_thick_la

 

I was wondering what other people think of his unfortunately negative review and subsequent response. It was interesting to note that client mentioned specifics like the date of May 16th although not much else. Ryan mentioned the client may have been on substances. What would other sex workers do with clients that are inebriated? How often does that occur?

 

 

Very classy response on the escort's part. Completely took responsibility and came from the customer being always right. Big win for him - really increased his stature.

[+ Gar1eth]

Very classy response on the escort's part. Completely took responsibility and came from the customer being always right. Big win for him - really increased his stature.

 

I would agree with you except for the following where Ryan writes,

 

"... The only person I can possibly imagine this client to be was a very anxious but nice guy who was also enjoying other substances while we were spending time together... perhaps skewing his judgement? I'm just not sure. "

Assuming the review is real and assuming Ryan really is sorry that the client didn't have a great time and is taking the blame on himself, he should have left the 'substance' reference out. Leaving it in-especially when Ryan says he isn't sure who the client was-seems, in my opinion to give himself a big out. While Ryan did apologize, I can't disregard the drug reference now. In my mind no matter how gracious Ryan is in apologizing, I can't get out of my head the idea that - the client was probably on drugs. In effect what Ryan has done is the rhetorical device of Poisoning The Well (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well). Now continually in the back of my mind is the thought that with a drugged up client- there most likely wasn't anything Ryan could do that would have pleased him.

 

Gman

[big-n-tall]

Chris the whole world loves a smart ass, well at least I do.

 

I love his actual ass. It's a very fun thing... oh and his mouth as well... And I can't forget his dick. Ok everything then dammit! ;P

[+ stevenkesslar]

I am not sure why everyone is having trouble with it. Some reviewers are not good narrators. While it hasn't happened in a long time, I have met a few guys on Daddy's with stellar reviews that I did not have a stellar time with. Most of them were not g*d awful times although once I was fairly upset because the escort seemed to promise ahead of time a lot more than what eventually happened. In those three or so cases I thought about writing a review, and I probably should have. But I knew there would be attacks on my veracity because at the time those escorts were Forum Favorites-just like is happening now with this reviewer. And I preferred not having to read posts where people questioned my veracity.

 

Maybe I'm sort of proving your final point by beating this to death - that the easier default is to just be quiet - but it seems to me that you answered your own question here, Gareth. The reason that I think everyone is having trouble with this review is that it really doesn't makes sense. Unlike the reviews you chose not to write, this one doesn't say much about what happened, or how it did or did not match with what the client expected, or communicated about what he expected, or what Ryan had promised, other than that the client wanted and didn't get a "boyfriend experience." I've read the review about 10 times trying to see it from the client's perspective, and one thing that jumps out the more I read it is that the client may not even have words or ideas to describe what actually happened or what he wanted, because as he says he is totally inexperienced, not only with escorts, but with sex with men. As you say, how could you expect a client who has limited sexual experience with men to be good at narrating his first experience in 10 years? If what happened doesn't make sense to him, it's not going to make sense to us either, and it doesn't. Ryan's first sentence says it all. I'd be at a loss for words.

 

When I was in a mode where I was having a lot of appointments with new clients every month, every once in a while I made a decision during an appointment to not charge the client, mostly because I felt like I hadn't met some stated or unstated expectation - either their's or my own. Note that the client himself made a financial calculation in his review. He paid $300, but felt like he only got $100 service. If he explained that Ryan had promised to fuck him, but he showed up and couldn't get hard, or that he told Ryan he liked to kiss, but Ryan wasn't really into that, the statement about "$100 service" would be a hurtful but valid slam. Instead, the only thing we have to go on is that Ryan "just got into sex," which to me kind of defines what is supposed to happen during a one hour appointment. And if it's fair for the client to say that what it boils down to is that a $300 appointment was worth $100 in his view, it's definitely fair for Ryan to point out that the only person that matches this client's description was using "substances," because that could easily have made something already coming out sideways really come out backward.

 

Looking at this through the client's eyes, the only logical conclusion I can reach is that if you spend an hour with a really hot looking escort and all you get is sex, as opposed to a "boyfriend experience," it's only worth $100. If I were a good looking 34 year old, I might very well feel that way. By that standard, my guess is a lot more reviews on this site would be negative ones, and a lot more escorts would be at a loss for words about what they did wrong. Whether the client is fictional or real, I can definitely empathize with him, because as I said already he's just like me when I first came out - good looking, 34, nervous, and confused. The fact of the matter is that even when I hooked up with guys that did take control, which is what the guy said he wanted, and delivered what I'm sure was their version of a "boyfriend experience," like taking me back to their apartment from a bar and trying to fuck me, it still didn't really work out all that well for me, because I was so nervous and confused about what I was doing, or even whether I was actually gay. I actually read the statement about Grindr different than everyone else, meaning that instead of making the review sound fake, it seemed like the client was telling the truth. He actually said, "I would have been better hooking up on grinder truthfully". I agree with him. We're all reading tea leaves, but I read that as a tacit confession that he didn't really know what he was doing, and afterward he felt he may as well have gotten whatever he got for free, and learned slowly through trial and error. That's what I did in the pre-Grindr era. Assuming this client is real, and is reading this, I'd encourage you to do the same. From an escort's perspective, an appointment with a client like you is almost doomed to failure. And we want you to succeed, because - who knows - someday you might actually grow up to be just like us. It wouldn't be the first time.