Any of you plan to tune into this?

[Guest]

Nick Jonas has grown into quite a hunk. Now he's going to be playing a "questioning" character (the Q in the LGBTQ).

http://www.advocate.com/tv/2014/10/09/watch-nick-jonas-action-possibly-gay-mma-fighter-kingdom

 

Of course, the whole idea that a normal man could "question" his sexual preference is completely absurd to me. I mean if there's ANYTHING in this universe of which I have absolutely no doubt, it's to whom I'm sexually attracted. I can understand how a man might question whether he wants to come out or not, but how the FUCK can a man not know to whom he's sexually attracted?

The notion that a man with normal testicular function might not know what turns him on is the most preposterous notion of which I could think. I mean maybe if a man had Kleinfelter's Syndrome or Kallmann's Syndrome, with no working balls, then I might understand. But I'm sorry: if you have nuts, you know who turns you on. I mean, I don't think I'm atypical in that every minute that my mind isn't preoccupied with some other stupid task like work or going to the movies, I'm thinking about who I'd like to fuck. And, when I go to the movies, I most often pick a movie in which at least one of the stars is someone I'd like to fuck. Sorry, but every time I hear about someone who's "questioning," I would love to punch the dude in the face, and ask him if he's questioning whether or not it hurts...

[+ purplekow]

Nick Jonas has grown into quite a hunk. Now he's going to be playing a "questioning" character (the Q in the LGBTQ).

http://www.advocate.com/tv/2014/10/09/watch-nick-jonas-action-possibly-gay-mma-fighter-kingdom

 

But I'm sorry: if you have nuts, you know who turns you on. I mean, I don't think I'm atypical in that every minute that my mind isn't preoccupied with some other stupid task like work or going to the movies, I'm thinking about who I'd like to fuck. And, when I go to the movies, I most often pick a movie in which at least one of the stars is someone I'd like to fuck. Sorry, but every time I hear about someone who's "questioning," I would love to punch the dude in the face, and ask him if he's questioning whether or not it hurts...

Short answer: No plans to watch this show.

 

Long answer:

 

The world is not quite so black and white for all people. When I first started exploring the possibility of having sex with men, I came on line and found a site which featured escorts for hire. The site had a thumbnail feature and you could have as many as 30 pictures on a page. There were about 500 men on that site and I looked over each picture and i found a total of 3 men on that site with whom I would consider having sex. The three men were all very muscular, very tough looking and nicely hairy. Now i knew if I was going to have sex with a man, that it would be a man such as these. I had always been attracted to such men, but it was always an attraction that I wanted to be like those men, not to have sex with them.

 

The point is, I was not overwhelmed by the idea of having sex with these men. I found them intriguing and I definitely had a curiosity about the idea of having sex with them, which was strong enough for me to look at all those pictures. However, I had come to the idea of having sex with men only after having had sex with many women and after the passing of my wife with whom I had a monogamous relationship for 10 years. After her death, sex with other women seemed boring and I had no real desire to chase after and date women.

 

As for my relationship with men, prior to my first hire, I had two sexual encounters with men. Once I received oral sex from a driver who picked me up when i was hitchhiking and who gave me money to let him blow me. I said yes because I needed the money and I was curious of what it would be like. The second encounter was a drunken frot session with my best friend in college when we shared a bed when I visited his school.

 

So, there was a point, quite late in life, when I was questioning. I knew to whom I was attracted, mostly women. But sex with women had grown stale and unsatisfying. And then there was a small percentage of men to whom I was attracted enough to consider having sex. Now, once I had sex with a man, my horizons broaden, though even now, 10 years later, the number of men I would consider hiring is very small and very few men cause my head to swivel the way an average looking woman did in my younger years and a very attractive woman does these days.

 

These days I do not classify myself sexually, not that anyone asks. But if I were asked, I would say, that I am a man who enjoys sex with people to whom I am attracted. So perhaps we need to add another letter to the LGBTQ community, an S for selective.

 

So, should we meet some day Unicorn, I asked for a bit compassion and consideration for those of us whose testicles do not give the king of unrelenting and unwavering orders that yours do for you. And if you find it necessary to strike, just give me a heads up first, no one likes being cold cocked.

[justaguy]

No, no plans to watch this.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

Of course, the whole idea that a normal man could "question" his sexual preference is completely absurd to me. I mean if there's ANYTHING in this universe of which I have absolutely no doubt, it's to whom I'm sexually attracted. I can understand how a man might question whether he wants to come out or not, but how the FUCK can a man not know to whom he's sexually attracted?

 

I have a college friend who questioned his sexuality during our senior year. Up to that time, he had only been attracted to and dated females. Then one day he confided that there was a guy in one of his classes that was a super nice guy with a great smile. After learning the guy from his class was gay, he wondered if he too was gay. Well after grabbing a beer with the guy one evening and an attempt at a 'goodnight kiss' my friend realized that he was straight, but found a new friend that had one of those personalities that drew people to him.

[doitb4ugo]

I must not be a "normal" man. Oh, well!

[Guest]

So, should we meet some day Unicorn, I asked for a bit compassion and consideration for those of us whose testicles do not give the king of unrelenting and unwavering orders that yours do for you. And if you find it necessary to strike, just give me a heads up first, no one likes being cold cocked.

 

Whoa! I was just commenting on what I perceive to be the absurdity of TV show in which a central theme apparently (from what I read in the blurb--I haven't seen the show yet) is based on a man wondering what his sexual preference is. I was not even thinking of you. I'm perfectly willing to concede (perhaps if only in the hypothetical) that there may be men who are equally turned on by either gender. Yet all men have to jack off sometime (or, if they are so extremely religious that they never do, have wet dreams with certain contents). And all men are thinking and/or looking at a picture or video of a certain person when doing so--and it's not a person of indeterminate gender (and no, men don't jack off to thoughts of rainbows or unicorns either). I'm sure that there are men who jack off only to thoughts/images of women, and I can certainly attest to the fact that there are definitely men who jack off only to thoughts/images of men. There may also be men out there who jack off 50/50 to either sex, or maybe 60/40 or 70/30 for all I know. But a man HAS to know where his attractions lie; it is simply not physically possible not to know.

I fully understand that I may have a stronger sex drive than most other men. Junior high school was torture for me because it took a tremendous amount of concentration for me, staring at the shower floor, not to look or think of the other athletes. One glance and my dick would get so hard, it could shatter diamonds with one stroke. I didn't know if it was "just a phase" or not, but there sure as hell was no doubt to whom I was physically attracted.

I didn't mean this to be a put-down of bisexuals, and I most certainly didn't mean to disparage you personally. But I definitely will never believe any man who tells me he doesn't know who attracts him. And yes, I probably will watch the show at least once. Not because I think the subject is interesting, but because I kind of want to fuck Nick Jonas, and it looks like he'll have his shirt off a lot on this show, since he'll be playing a fighter. I was crushed when I found out they cancelled The Tomorrow People. Not because I thought it was a thought-provoking show; in fact I thought it was one of the most stupid shows I have ever watched. Rather, it's because both Robbie Amell and Luke Mitchell turn me on like crazy. At least Arrow is still on, and I can rub my dick as I watch cousin Stephen Amell. I now I have The Flash, starring another handsome man with dark hair and green eyes (just like Robbie Amell): Grant Gustin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Grant_Gustin_March_2014_(cropped).jpg

 

http://images.mstarz.com/data/images/full/18024/grant-gustin.jpg?w=600

[Guest]

http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/grant-gustin/grant-gustin-1360395414.jpg

 

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28100000/Grant-Gustin-grant-gustin-28111495-500-500.jpg

[Guest]

http://www.picpicx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2161cc04a000f2a3916d0907db5ed392.jpg

[Guest]

He has got to be the best-groomed heterosexual I've ever seen!

 

Here he is with Matt Bomer...

http://static.tumblr.com/d53e60f3e7b3326a4731ec688378e72d/rufovf3/Cfpmumjlq/tumblr_static_coopbastian_kiss.jpg

[Guest]

I guess he's from Virginia. I hope he's not a virgin, tough.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/37/f6/ee/37f6ee354e8562b06c439e3b007aed32.jpg

 

I never thought of tattooing my birth area code onto my chest...

 

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/50/eb/2750ebdac211e57877c5e3d62451007a.jpg

[Guest]

I don't know what movie this is, but I want to find out, and add it to my Netflix queue if it's available!!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7n4ejjINT1romxfx.gif

[+ deej]

Whoa! I was just commenting on what I perceive to be the absurdity of TV show in which a central theme apparently (from what I read in the blurb--I haven't seen the show yet) is based on a man wondering what his sexual preference is.

 

From what I've read, that's far from the central premise. More like a side story, and a minor one at that.

 

But I'm willing to see it before I judge it. (This might take months, mind, while I wait to catch up to it on Hulu or Netflix.)

 

I forgot to add: at least they got the pretty one. If you're going to make a show with a JoBro, get the pretty one.

[Guest]

I forgot to add: at least they got the pretty one. If you're going to make a show with a JoBro, get the pretty one.

 

Really? Would you throw Joe Jonas out of bed? I think I'd pay big bucks for this:

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3b/8f/8c/3b8f8c8d8f75f6340daec22c56e06f41.jpg

[Guest]

Chopped liver, is he?

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/ChordBennett15/joe_jonas_shirtless_by_jayysonata-d41o7d2.png

 

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/19298000/ngbbs4a2874a6943ad.jpg

[Guest]

I think I would actually pay a bit more for a romp in the sack with Joe than with Nick--although it would be a good sum for either one. Maybe $300 for Nick, $400 for Joe.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/182/2/d/joe_jonas_shirtless_4_by_jayysonata-d55lott.jpg

 

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/4b/d1/0e/4bd10eae1199e3e768813af27c4199b0.jpg

[+ deej]

Nice fakes.

 

But yeah, I've always thought Nick was the pretty one. And he's the broadway aficionado too, which means we might actually have a chance.

[Guest]

Nice fakes.

 

But yeah, I've always thought Nick was the pretty one. And he's the broadway aficionado too, which means we might actually have a chance.

 

Are those really fakes? I honestly had no idea. Well, then, as Miss Emily Litella used to say "NEVER MIND!".

 

[+ WilliamM]

Whoa! I was just commenting on what I perceive to be the absurdity of TV show in which a central theme apparently (from what I read in the blurb--I haven't seen the show yet) is based on a man wondering what his sexual preference is. I was not even thinking of you. I'm perfectly willing to concede (perhaps if only in the hypothetical) that there may be men who are equally turned on by either gender. Yet all men have to jack off sometime (or, if they are so extremely religious that they never do, have wet dreams with certain contents). And all men are thinking and/or looking at a picture or video of a certain person when doing so--and it's not a person of indeterminate gender (and no, men don't jack off to thoughts of rainbows or unicorns either). I'm sure that there are men who jack off only to thoughts/images of women, and I can certainly attest to the fact that there are definitely men who jack off only to thoughts/images of men. There may also be men out there who jack off 50/50 to either sex, or maybe 60/40 or 70/30 for all I know. But a man HAS to know where his attractions lie; it is simply not physically possible not to know.

I fully understand that I may have a stronger sex drive than most other men. Junior high school was torture for me because it took a tremendous amount of concentration for me, staring at the shower floor, not to look or think of the other athletes. One glance and my dick would get so hard, it could shatter diamonds with one stroke. I didn't know if it was "just a phase" or not, but there sure as hell was no doubt to whom I was physically attracted.

I didn't mean this to be a put-down of bisexuals, and I most certainly didn't mean to disparage you personally. But I definitely will never believe any man who tells me he doesn't know who attracts him. And yes, I probably will watch the show at least once. Not because I think the subject is interesting, but because I kind of want to fuck Nick Jonas, and it looks like he'll have his shirt off a lot on this show, since he'll be playing a fighter.

 

 

 

You may not mean to put down bisexuals, but that exactly what you did in both of your posts in this thread.

[Guest]

You may not mean to put down bisexuals, but that exactly what you did in both of your posts in this thread.

 

I indicated in my post how I thought it was absurd that a grown man could "question" his sexual orientation. That is not the same thing as putting down bisexuals. I don't know what goes on in other men's heads. But, you know the children's book, Everybody Poops?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Everyone_Poops.jpg

 

Well, there's also Everybody farts:

http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/9781618424839_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG

 

And there could also be one just for men: Every man cums!

Men make cum, and it has to come out. It just a biological fact. Most of the time, it comes out by jacking off, sometimes with sex, and the rest of the time in wet dreams. But every man cums, and every man knows what he's fantasizing when he cums. (All right, there are a few exceptions, such as FTM transexuals, who don't make cum, but you get the drift). If a man were to tell me he has no idea what turns him on, he wouldn't be full of cum, he'd be full of shit. Now if he gets off 50/50 on either sex, I have no idea, because I can't read his mind. I can only speak for myself and tell you I'm about as likely to get sexually excited by a woman as I am by a telephone. If there are those out there who can get aroused by both genders, I'm happy for them.

[+ purplekow]

 

 

Of course, the whole idea that a normal man could "question" his sexual preference is completely absurd to me. I mean if there's ANYTHING in this universe of which I have absolutely no doubt, it's to whom I'm sexually attracted.

 

So is it your thinking that men who are questioning are not normal?

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Sorry, but every time I hear about someone who's "questioning," I would love to punch the dude in the face, and ask him if he's questioning whether or not it hurts...

Sorry but every time I hear about someone who's gay, I would love to punch the dude in the face, and ask him whether or not it hurts. Hmmm..... My guess is that if you heard the second statement, your response would be something along the lines of:

'homophobic asshole". So, I suppose you can guess my response to your statement.

 

The "sorry" that started this sentence, is about as close to a reconsideration as I would expect from you, given your subsequent posts. Perhaps more time and an iota of reflection will change your impulses, if not your thinking. Physician, heal thyself.

[Guest]

Sorry but every time I hear about someone who's gay, I would love to punch the dude in the face, and ask him whether or not it hurts.

 

As I have repeatedly stated, my derision is towards those who claim they don't know who turns them on, not those who claim that both men and women turn them on. The reason I would like to punch in the face any man who tells me that he doesn't know who turns him on is that I can't stand liars. My discussion on this subject has never been about bisexuals, but since you keep bringing it up, I'll will tell you something. When I keep saying repeatedly "I'm not talking about bisexuals, I'm talking about bullshitters," and you keep saying in large type "No, no, you're talking about me," it certainly doesn't make bisexuals seem like less of bullshitters. I will never know for a fact what goes on in other men's minds, but any man who tells me he doesn't pee, poop, or cum is an unabashed liar, something I can't stand. I don't know many bisexuals, for sure, but I have met men who have told me that they used to call themselves bisexual, but now acknowledge that they really preferred men all along. One was even married to a woman, and told me that he was usually thinking of men when he had sex with his wife. I also notice that in parts of the world where homosexuality is frowned upon, a huge fraction, perhaps a majority, of the escorts describe themselves as bisexual (I'm thinking, in particular, of Eastern Europe).

Although, as I've said repeatedly, I don't know what the true preferences of most bisexuals are, I DO know that anyone who tells me he does NOT know who turns him on is a liar. Your extreme eagerness to be associated with these people does nothing to tend to sway me against believing that those who describe themselves as bisexuals are flakes. Once again, I don't know that all bisexuals are, but you're doing a good job of convincing me that many are.

[+ WilliamM]

As I have repeatedly stated, my derision is towards those who claim they don't know who turns them on, not those who claim that both men and women turn them on. The reason I would like to punch in the face any man who tells me that he doesn't know who turns him on is that I can't stand liars.

 

I don't know many bisexuals, for sure, but I have met men who have told me that they used to call themselves bisexual, but now acknowledge that they really preferred men all along. One was even married to a woman, and told me that he was usually thinking of men when he had sex with his wife. I also notice that in parts of the world where homosexuality is frowned upon, a huge fraction, perhaps a majority, of the escorts describe themselves as bisexual (I'm thinking, in particular, of Eastern Europe).

 

Although, as I've said repeatedly, I don't know what the true preferences of most bisexuals are, I DO know that anyone who tells me he does NOT know who turns him on is a liar. Your extreme eagerness to be associated with these people does nothing to tend to sway me against believing that those who describe themselves as bisexuals are flakes. Once again, I don't know that all bisexuals are, but you're doing a good job of convincing me that many are.

 

Did you read your comments before posting?

 

In the first paragraph you write that it is liars, not bisexuals, who make you angry. Yet, your last paragraph states that another poster's extreme eagerness to be associated with these people does nothing to tend to sway you against believing that those who describe themselves as bisexuals are flakes.

 

In the middle, you admit to knowing someone who was married to a woman, but really preferred men. Also you state that the most escorts in Eastern Europe call themselves bisexuals.

 

I guess I was crazy when I thought we were fighting for all people to be free to define their own sexuality. I have visited a fair number of countries in Eastern Europe. I agree that calling yourself bisexual, rather than gay, makes sense right now in Russia. But, I confused and disappointed by all your other comments.

 

For the record, I am gay and have never called myself bisexual or been married to a woman. But, I did take a female date to my freshman prom in college, so I am likely doomed to trying to make people believe I am bisexual, or even straight, in your opinion.

[Guest]

In the first paragraph you write that it is liars, not bisexuals, who make you angry. Yet, your last paragraph states that another poster's extreme eagerness to be associated with these people does nothing to tend to sway you against believing that those who describe themselves as bisexuals are flakes.

 

In the middle, you admit to knowing someone who was married to a woman, but really preferred men. Also you state that the most escorts in Eastern Europe call themselves bisexuals.

 

I guess I was crazy when I thought we were fighting for all people to be free to define their own sexuality. I have visited a fair number of countries in Eastern Europe. I agree that calling yourself bisexual, rather than gay, makes sense right now in Russia. But, I confused and disappointed by all your other comments.

 

For the record, I am gay and have never called myself bisexual or been married to a woman. But, I did take a female date to my freshman prom in college, so I am likely doomed to trying to make people believe I am bisexual, or even straight, in your opinion.

 

Posting #21 was the first posting I made in which I talked about bisexuals. Although teen-agers are still discovering themselves, it's honorable that you never put on a show pretending to be bisexual, when, presumably, you knew you were not sexually excited by your date to the freshman prom. My comments were always about the "Q" in the "LGBTQ" up until post 21. But since people keep goading me about my personal opinions on bisexuals, I thought I would come clean. Certainly, I cannot blame Russian men for not wanting to come out as gay, and I cannot blame them for bullshitting, since being gay in Russia can be life-threatening. My domestic partner, as some of you may know, was from the Russian SFR, and despite coming from a well-off family in Russia, preferred starting afresh in this country--but with his honor and honesty intact. The situation is not at all as dire for men from Hungary, the Czech Republic, or Slovakia, who could leave if they want to other EU countries without any immigration difficulties.

There has got to be a number of men who truly are sexually aroused by either gender, and a certain number who are bullshitters. I cannot know what the percentage of each is, of course, since I cannot read others' minds. I do know that I have personally met a number of men who freely admit to have been bullshitting when they said they were bisexual. There have also been celebrities who have also freely admitted as such. These include, of course, Sir Elton John, who first admitted he was bisexual in 1976 before admitting that this was all a bunch of bull, and coming out as gay in 1988. Another celebrity we probably all know about who admitted he was bullshitting is George Michael: Speaking about his time with Wham! in the 1980s, Michael said: "I used to sleep with women quite a lot in the Wham! days but never felt it could develop into a relationship because I knew that, emotionally, I was a gay man. I didn't want to commit to them but I was attracted to them. Then I became ashamed that I might be using them." In 2009, Michael said: "My depression at the end of Wham! was because I was beginning to realise I was gay, not bisexual." I guess lying does take its personal toll.

I would like to think that there are a number of bisexuals who are not bullshitters (I know there has to be at least some!); but when I write about bullshitters, not even mentioning bisexuals, and I get every bisexual on the board whining "Stop talking about me! Stop talking about me!" it certainly does little to give me confidence that there is a relatively large percentage of honest bisexuals...

[+ quoththeraven]

Oh, ffs, Unicorn, get off your high horse. Your original post categorically states that it's impossible for a grown man not to know to which gender he's attracted to and insults those who genuinely question their sexual orientation. I find it incredible that you would make such a bald, all-or-nothing statement and that you have such a limited view of the world and the wacky, wonderful, and varied experiences of the people in it. It is difficult not to read your original post and see it as a declaration that the way you see the world is right without regard to anyone else's experience. And yes, it is insulting to those whose experiences differ from your paradigm.

 

People assume that your thinking is binary (gay or straight, no in between) because of the vehemently black-and-white, yes/no way you express yourself. That's why no one believes your protestations that were not specifically referring to or thinking of bisexuality/polysexuality/pansexuality.

 

BTW, the Q in LGBTQ more stands for "Queer" as well as "Questioning," and "Queer" includes everyone who is non-straight. I know there are some who don't like the term because it's a reclaimed pejorative, but it's the only term that comes anywhere near to describing the entire spectrum of non-straight and/or non-heteronormative folks, which includes you, me, and virtually everyone else here.

[+ WilliamM]

Certainly, I cannot blame Russian men for not wanting to come out as gay, and I cannot blame them for bullshitting, since being gay in Russia can be life-threatening. My domestic partner, as some of you may know, was from the Russian SFR, and despite coming from a well-off family in Russia, preferred starting afresh in this country--but with his honor and honesty intact. The situation is not at all as dire for men from Hungary, the Czech Republic, or Slovakia, who could leave if they want to other EU countries without any immigration difficulties.

 

I would like to think that there are a number of bisexuals who are not bullshitters (I know there has to be at least some!); but when I write about bullshitters, not even mentioning bisexuals, and I get every bisexual on the board whining "Stop talking about me! Stop talking about me!" it certainly does little to give me confidence that there is a relatively large percentage of honest bisexuals...

 

Unicorn, You are more understanding when you know people who deal with intolerance directly, like your domestic partner. I've been to Russia, Czech Republic, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia and Slovenia. I love Bosnia-Herzegovina, especially the two largest cities, Sarajevo and Mostar, but I would not blame gays who either kept their homosexuality secret, or took a step out of the closet by calling themselves bisexual. Croatia is now part of the EU, but like Slovenia and the Czech Republic, all very nice places to live, despite economic problems. Are you suggesting that young gays who are uncomfortable with coming out move to EU Western Europe? I have never been to Slovakia.

 

What can I write about Elton John or George Michael beyond that they eventually did get it right publicly?

 

In your last paragraph, you go back to something you know you very little about -- "bisexual bullshitters."