It amazes me how many guys out there want a escort, but hate the idea of paying for 1

[TruHart1]

It does hurt my self esteem having to pay for sex with young men I find desirable...

 

I have to admit that finding a great and beautiful young escort with whom I connect has actually increased my self-esteem since I began hiring (paying for sex!!!)

 

TruHart1

[Steven_Draker]

I have to admit that finding a great and beautiful young escort with whom I connect has actually increased my self-esteem since I began hiring (paying for sex!!!)

 

That's because you have a POSITIVE attitude towards the Hobby, TruHart.

 

Keep it up!

[+ Gar1eth]

It does hurt my self esteem having to pay for sex with young men I find desirable but at the same time I'm glad there are young men out there willing to have sex with me for money. When I was young I didn't even look at men older than me, the simply didn't exist for me.

 

Does your self-esteem suffer pain when you pay for a car? Buy a house? Enjoy an evening out? Arrange a visit with a doctor, lawyer, plumber or electrician? How about when you pay your electric bill?

 

I don't think those items you list are comparable. We are designed biologically to want a mate or to mate and spread our seed. We are not designed biologically to pay the electric bill. Paying in cold hard cash for something the majority gets either for free or for barter ( nice restaurant, flowers, diamonds , etc...) can strike at the very heart of you and injure your self-esteem badly. On a biological basis it means, you need an enormous crutch to fulfill the biologic imperative to mate.

 

 

I have to admit that finding a great and beautiful young escort with whom I connect has actually increased my self-esteem since I began hiring (paying for sex!!!)

 

TruHart1

 

In my case it's the opposite. My self-esteem would be increased only if these guys liked me enough to have sex without it being a business transaction. Of course not being able to afford an escort and also not having sex with non- escorts very often because the majority of guys aren't interested in you isn't very self-affirming either.

 

Gman

[instudiocity]

I understand the flattery aspect of the 'approach'. But, I've done the free hookup thing for awhile, and **once in awhile** still do, but I'm never really satisfied with the result. I do it knowing it's not going to turn into anything serious, and if I do expect it, disappointment ensues. My main thing is, I'm a relationship kind of guy. If a guy is coming onto me just trying to get the goods and go, what does that say about how they view me?

 

I try to teach my friends this ALL THE TIME, when they come to me with a story about a guy they met off the latest grindr/craigslist/bar fling. They have great sex or whatever, but then they wonder why after a couple of times, they don't want to have anything to do with them.

 

These men actually FEEL ENTITLED to be a cheapskate AND get good, free sex. The only difference between that and prostitution is the fact 1 gets paid, the other doesn't. Hence the title of my thread. They want a prostitute, but the idea of paying for one? Another story.

A self-defined 'relationship kind of guy' as a self-defined 'prostitute' failing to fathom the concept of by the hour hiring versus a 'fuck-buddies' situation?

 

OK, I have to mention 2 things about the social situation that I didn't: The 1 with the friend in the bar, that's a guy who I'm in somewhat of a weird 'open friend/relationship with. Simplified; fuck buddies. So, in that case, I got priority over the Chelsea guy. Now, this Chelsea guy was being rather aggressive in trying to get my friend and I in the same bed with him. And as a matter of fact, I broke it out right there for the 1st time to my friend, what I'm about. My friend was perfectly fine with it, but the Chelsea guy got all flustered about it. So clearly, it wasn't going to work out.

'broke it out right there for the first time...' you told your fuck-buddy you were a 'prostitute' just wh0ring around with him?

 

In the 2nd scenario, the reason why I felt the way I did...is because I was put in a position that I needed to assert myself. In the bed with my friend, and then the client starts getting naked. I am pretty well known in the Kansas City area by clients. So, the thought of this 'massage client' getting a session without paying, just think about it. It just didn't seem fair to me or my other clients.

You're in bed with your fuck-buddy and another guy starts getting naked to join you? What red-blooded gay man wouldn't?

 

The issue with these, "I don't pay" guys, is they see it as an insult. As in, they dont 'have to pay'. Nobody HAS to pay. One guy told me, "I'm not ugly or old enough to have to pay". I'm like dude...it's not even about that. I've had more attractive guys, who were younger pay. But, Americans tend to have this idea that only the repulsive pay...and that couldn't be further from the truth.

It is my firm belief that you have broad bushed all Americans as not wanting to pay based on your experiences described here. Dood, a ENTIRE business model with multiple outlets on Internet websites, local bars, smartphone apps and classified ads exists to satisfy the very concept that Americans do want to pay for sex and will.

 

Wait. Stop. Let's backtrack. Who said I had any problem getting guys to pay for my services? All I did was mention that despite all the efforts that I and the advertising companies make, we in America still have a large segment that don't buy because they feel entitled to get it for free. Accept that. I'm accepting it. It is what it is. I am also not interested in how many clients an escort in NYC sees.

When all the subjects of your posts on this site are the same old bitching about guys paying you for sex, you create the impression that Joey doesn't get paid frequently enough for sex (while giving it up to the fuck-buddy in front of other men)

 

You also don't know anything beyond what people tell you.

EXACTLY Most of us only know you by your bitching here... er, um, posts.

 

Makes perfect sense. But where does middle class, Christian, American culture say it's ok to do it for free, but not for pay? Or that it's okay to text a guy, "want to sit on my face?", or "send me cock pic", or "wanna come back to my place and fuck me", after knowing them only 5 minutes at a gym...and then say, "oh no...I'm not paying, I don't have to pay". Sounds like someone's requesting escort services to me. But, unfortunately it's become so commonplace, people consider it normal to approach a normal civilian like a prostitute off the street. And yet, they believe we should be 'flattered' by it. Ain't that some shit?

The answer to your question here is that sex outside of marriage is against not only Judeo-Christian ethics but Islamic, Buddhist and most Western ethical thought. The concept of paying for sex (outside of marriage) isn't not mentioned in history as a positive thing outside of worshipping gods and goddesses. The Ancients saw prostitution as worship of their gods and their wh0re houses were the temples to the god/goddess but that prostitution was seen as worship to the god/goddess. Sacred Prostitution. As to your receiving texts after five minutes in the gym, how do they know you're a prostitute and not just some hot guy? Did you give them your phone number or your business card?

 

How else can any of us get laid if we don't approach other 'normal citizens' and ask "Hey, Wanna fuck?" After all, you gave up the digits instead of your website ads.

[+ Funguy]

Quote Originally Posted by funguy View Post

Isn't there a course that Joey could take on "How to Escort - Successfully! and give the CLIENT what he wants"?

Communication, business models, how to treat the customer, client satisfaction, how to stop whining, etc. --- Funguy

 

"No, but there should be a course specifically for you titled: HOW TO NOT GET BUTT-HURT, WHEN THE TRUTH HURTS. I'll be your tutor." -- another Joeyism

 

Joey, Joey, Joey … I admit at times I've been politically incorrect in my comments re: your plight BUT, how come you are virtually the only one who posts here who continually bellyaches about your profession and all of the bad clients? Most of us here on the Forum have heard it all from you. Perhaps, and this is meant in a constructive way, leave the Forum for a month, get your act together, take a deep breath, and think of ways you could make your clients happier and, at the same time, have less aggravation in your life. Just as we clients are learning how to avoid the scams, the asshole escorts, the rip offs, you could learn to dwell on the good in your clients and simply ignore the bad apples you run across and DON'T CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN.

 

Then come back to the Forum with a new mindset and tell us some good things. The way you are now, I would be an imbecile to hire you, not because I think I wouldn't have good sex/good time with you but I wouldn't want to hear all the other shit and then maybe show up as one of your rants. And believe me, as a Funguy, never has an escort not had fun with me as a client so don't think you can call me one of those asshole clients!

 

There are so many escorts out there who have stellar reputations built on catering to their clientele and who have these clients come back again and again. These escorts have smiles on their faces (not just from the money) because of the relationship their clients build with them and vice versa. These guys are always in demand all over the country. Why not learn (even anonymously) from them. Take a workshop geared to marketing. Take one for "the customer is always right - tho within reason," etc. Come back refreshed and ready to do your profession proud instead of taking all of us to task!

 

THAT, MR. BRYANT, IS THE TRUTH - hope it doesn't hurt too much.

 

Ever the Funguy

[jimboivyo]

That's because you have a POSITIVE attitude towards the Hobby, TruHart.

 

Keep it up![/color]

 

 

True words there SD

 

A long time issue with some on this board is barely hidden contempt for escorts and the self loathing over choosing to hire them

 

the ones here who complain the most also seem to be the fellas who hire least or not at all. the behavior is odd and I don't get what good it does

[TruHart1]

That's because you have a POSITIVE attitude towards the Hobby, TruHart.

 

Keep it up![/color]

 

Steven,

 

I was about to make a joke about your ability to "keep me up" but instead I feel I must thank you for being one of my earlier hires who helped increase my self-esteem. Thank you (and all the other great escorts out there I have been lucky enough to meet!)

 

TruHart1

[+ FreshFluff]

Makes perfect sense. But where does middle class, Christian, American culture say it's ok to do it for free, but not for pay? Or that it's okay to text a guy, "want to sit on my face?", or "send me cock pic", or "wanna come back to my place and fuck me", after knowing them only 5 minutes at a gym...and then say, "oh no...I'm not paying, I don't have to pay". Sounds like someone's requesting escort services to me. But, unfortunately it's become so commonplace, people consider it normal to approach a normal civilian like a prostitute off the street. And yet, they believe we should be 'flattered' by it. Ain't that some shit?

 

A lot depends on how you initially come across to the guy. If he meets you socially and initially thinks you're interested in him as a one night stand, it's hard to transition to thinking of you as an escort. So the sooner guys you meet know you're an escort, the better.

 

As for how men come on to each other, many men are happy to have sex without commitment (even if they'd like a boyfriend eventually). So one of the benefits of being gay is that men can come onto each other directly, without putting on a fake tattoo, delivering a treatise about one's biotech company, etc.

[+ FreshFluff]

True words there SD

 

A long time issue with some on this board is barely hidden contempt for escorts and the self loathing over choosing to hire them

 

the ones here who complain the most also seem to be the fellas who hire least or not at all. the behavior is odd and I don't get what good it does

 

Really? To me, it seems that those on the M-F are ultra-respectful of escorts.

 

Jimboi, you've posted that as a larger guy over 60, you have no problem paying hot younger guys who (you say) would not pay attention to you otherwise. That's great, but you're unusually secure in yourself. IMO, it's not "self loathing" for people to wish they could date hot guys in a non-paid arrangement.

[instudiocity]

I don't think those items you list are comparable. We are designed biologically to want a mate or to mate and spread our seed. We are not designed biologically to pay the electric bill. Paying in cold hard cash for something the majority gets either for free or for barter ( nice restaurant, flowers, diamonds , etc...) can strike at the very heart of you and injure your self-esteem badly. On a biological basis it means, you need an enormous crutch to fulfill the biologic imperative to mate.

We shall choose to disagree. I put forth effort in my life so that I may enjoy the things I enjoy in my life. I enjoy electricity and I enjoy escorts. Whether by barter, by the compromise of a LTR or marriage, or by cash, we all pay for just about every service or product, we can get. I've know many a number of husbands who looked at their marriage as an expensive transaction simply to satisfy the male biological needs fulfilled. Fortunately, they also saw some benefits other than getting laid twice a week.

 

 

In my case it's the opposite. My self-esteem would be increased only if these guys liked me enough to have sex without it being a business transaction. Of course not being able to afford an escort and also not having sex with non- escorts very often because the majority of guys aren't interested in you isn't very self-affirming either.

Gman

Sex is always a business transaction - don't you think providing your sex partner a home, dinner, coffee or pitcher of beer is a business transaction? You're just protesting the method of payment, not paying for it. As to your inability to secure sex with non-escorts, you might be looking in the wrong places or you might need to get some counseling. There is something for everyone out there, we're just looking in the wrong places, or looking with the wrong vision of what would meet out needs.

[instudiocity]

Case in point, AJ Irons is fully booked and no longer taking appointments for his upcoming trip to NYC. Lucky are the guys who scheduled time with him before his calendar filled up.

 

AJ Irons? He makes my blood boil.

 

Just to clarify my comment here, AJ Irons is one hot guy and just thinking about seeing him brings my blood to a boil in a hot Perfect ESCORT way.

(Thank you to the gentleman who reminded me my original post could be misunderstood.)

[+ WilliamM]

Really? To me' date=' it seems that those on the M-F are ultra-respectful of escorts. [/quote']

 

I agree completely. And even sometimes too ultra-respectful.

[maninsoma]

We shall choose to disagree. I put forth effort in my life so that I may enjoy the things I enjoy in my life. I enjoy electricity and I enjoy escorts. Whether by barter, by the compromise of a LTR or marriage, or by cash, we all pay for just about every service or product, we can get. I've know many a number of husbands who looked at their marriage as an expensive transaction simply to satisfy the male biological needs fulfilled. Fortunately, they also saw some benefits other than getting laid twice a week.

 

 

Sex is always a business transaction - don't you think providing your sex partner a home, dinner, coffee or pitcher of beer is a business transaction? You're just protesting the method of payment, not paying for it. As to your inability to secure sex with non-escorts, you might be looking in the wrong places or you might need to get some counseling. There is something for everyone out there, we're just looking in the wrong places, or looking with the wrong vision of what would meet out needs.

 

What decade are your comments about? Surely most couples now (whether male-male, male-female, or female-female) involve two people who work outside of the home for money. It isn't the 1950s any more.

[instudiocity]

What decade are your comments about? Surely most couples now (whether male-male, male-female, or female-female) involve two people who work outside of the home for money. It isn't the 1950s any more.

According to the US Census Bureau 32.5% of US Population are families with children under 18, where one spouse is 'unemployed'. But then your question leads to how many of the remaining 67.5% are coupled? I shan't do the math because I think you're just being argumentative.

 

Even so, where both members of a couple-hood are working, one of them probably spends more on the relationship than the other. My example is that I out-earn my mate by a factor of 3-1 and pay all the household bills out of my income.

 

I might be from the 1950's but I'm don't think like my parents did in the 1950's.

[McLeanspider]

Does your self-esteem suffer pain when you pay for a car? Buy a house? Enjoy an evening out? Arrange a visit with a doctor, lawyer, plumber or electrician? How about when you pay your electric bill?

 

You're confusing everything.

 

One thing is to pay for things you need to get for money, other thing is paying young men to have sex with me knowing they fuck each other for free just as I used to do it when I was young.

 

I thought you were happy of "been treated as an equal" on the "Mel Rose Place" where you allegedly live, I'm sure those young bucks fuck each other but not you.

 

This is nothing personal because I don't know you but let me say the following: if you have a hard time finding guys who will pay you for sex, this is not the right business for you.

 

I live in NYC, which is hyper-competitive for escorts and masseurs. The best guys are always busy though. They don't have a problem getting people to pay for their services. I would encourage you to think about it.

 

+1

 

Try hiring Austin Wolf.... he's very busy but once you're on his list, he'll move "would-be-clients" to see you.

 

 

True words there SD

 

A long time issue with some on this board is barely hidden contempt for escorts and the self loathing over choosing to hire them

 

the ones here who complain the most also seem to be the fellas who hire least or not at all. the behavior is odd and I don't get what good it does

 

Damn, even when you try to be optimistic you still sound cranky.

[+ Gar1eth]

We shall choose to disagree. I put forth effort in my life so that I may enjoy the things I enjoy in my life. I enjoy electricity and I enjoy escorts. Whether by barter, by the compromise of a LTR or marriage, or by cash, we all pay for just about every service or product, we can get. I've know many a number of husbands who looked at their marriage as an expensive transaction simply to satisfy the male biological needs fulfilled. Fortunately, they also saw some benefits other than getting laid twice a week.

 

 

Sex is always a business transaction - don't you think providing your sex partner a home, dinner, coffee or pitcher of beer is a business transaction? You're just protesting the method of payment, not paying for it. As to your inability to secure sex with non-escorts, you might be looking in the wrong places or you might need to get some counseling. There is something for everyone out there, we're just looking in the wrong places, or looking with the wrong vision of what would meet out needs.

 

We shall have to disagree. There is paying, and then there is 'PAYING'. I'd like a guy I'm attracted to, to be attracted to me. If I have to pay/bribe because they aren't attracted to me, then that causes pain and loss of esteem. When I was working and had the wherewithal to pay I did because the drive to be close to someone through sex was very strong. But that didnt mean it still didnt hurt that the attraction was to my money and not to me personally.

 

Gman

[JoeyBryant]

As to your receiving texts after five minutes in the gym, how do they know you're a prostitute and not just some hot guy? Did you give them your phone number or your business card? After all, you gave up the digits instead of your website ads.

 

I knew I shouldn't have removed you from my ignore list. But, since I did...I can answer your question: I DID NOT EXPECT HIM TO JUST BE LOOKING FOR SEX. . That's why I didn't give him my website or business card. We went from talking about workout routines and dinner, to him switching to talking about fucking and asses. Like I said, if he was bold enough to come at me like that, I was bold enough to say, "are you looking for a pro?" No? Well you came to me like I was an escort, so you must want to pay for 1.

Sex is always a business transaction - don't you think providing your sex partner a home, dinner, coffee or pitcher of beer is a business transaction? You're just protesting the method of payment, not paying for it. As to your inability to secure sex with non-escorts, you might be looking in the wrong places or you might need to get some counseling. There is something for everyone out there, we're just looking in the wrong places, or looking with the wrong vision of what would meet out needs.

 

OK, in 1 vein I'm disagreeing with you, in another...I'm hearing you out. This one, I'm hearing you out....or shall I say "eavesdropping", since you're directing this post at someone else.

Joey, Joey, Joey …

 

Funguy, I could only briefly skim thru the bullshit you posted because it just looked like...bullshit. But...instead of suggesting a marketing class for me (which I already have a pretty hefty sized book under my cabinet from class, one I'd be all too happy to thwap upside your head for being such a DUMBguy), I suggest you speak to a therapist or shrink as to why you dislike someone you've never met before...and why you feel the need to butt your ass into a thread you dislike. As I've said a million times, there's like 100 threads (43,941 just in the 1st section, to be exact) on-going, and you choose to dip your big nose into this one. How do you find me, you must be obsessed. So, don't be mad at me that my topics draw you in so much.

[actor61]

how does 1 single person have so much negativity & so much to moan & whine about.....constantly......no wonder that I have never, ever even remotely considered you as a guy to hire.....the whole experience would be soooooo depressing.

I guess some guys find you attractive / appealing.....saying "some" might be a stretch.....maybe a few....or a couple......or 1......somewhere......somehow.....for some (unknown) reason.

sheesh.....one sees a joey bryant posting & ya know it's gonna be a downer....big time !!!!

 

Amen, brother. Amen!

[JoeyBryant]

Amen, brother. Amen!

 

Tell your (likely stormfront, white supremacist, racist {and/or fat, nasty troll}) buddy who doesn't want to hire me:

 

I'm tired of spending all my time

And waiting on your dime

And get lovin' half the time

I'd rather be broke than with you, you, you

I'd rather be broke than with you, you, you

 

-toni braxton.

 

Amen to that, sister. A-fucking-men. And a Hallelujah

 

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[instudiocity]

I knew I shouldn't have removed you from my ignore list. But, since I did...I can answer your question: I DID NOT EXPECT HIM TO JUST BE LOOKING FOR SEX. . That's why I didn't give him my website or business card. We went from talking about workout routines and dinner, to him switching to talking about fucking and asses. Like I said, if he was bold enough to come at me like that, I was bold enough to say, "are you looking for a pro?" No? Well you came to me like I was an escort, so you must want to pay for 1.

I still fail to see how the other guy could differentiate you from a fuck-buddy to an escort. He got your digits, what the hell did you think he was going to do with your phone number? Invite you over for "baseball, hotdogs, apple pie and NO LAY IN THE HAY?"

[JoeyBryant]

Here's a new paragraph added to my blog regarding this topic:

 

It can be fun to just have sex and not put any expectations on it. But, we need to get down to the very core of what it means to be or want an escort. Many of these guys are trying to “by-pass” the whole idea of the fact that their behavior and desires, correlates with the very fundamental principles of escort services.

 

Look, there’s nothing wrong with hooking up. But, so MANY guys out there that have been conditioned to feel that they AUTOMATICALLY deserve the sex they want, without so much as even putting a single ounce of effort into getting it. Hey…it goes both ways. I’ll put the effort, they can put the effort to. But, many don’t even give these guys the chance to do it. I know friends that would cheerfully put a hooker out of business, because they will have sex with a man’s live-in husband, fuck a bisexual man, or have sex with 3-4 guys a day, and not think twice about it.

 

He got your digits, what the hell did you think he was going to do with your phone number? Invite you over for "baseball, hotdogs, apple pie and NO LAY IN THE HAY?"

 

I would have given him the hay, the milk, cream, and even the whole damn cow if he goddamn wanted it. But, not after JUST MEETING HIM 5 minutes ago in broad daylight. He should have had better game than that. He was just being cheap. Don't defend his bullshit. That's just wrong. He should have atleast tried to get my intentions, but because he was thinking with his dick...he thought that I'd be oh so willing to go for it. I was glad I told him otherwise. That's what happens. Shit.....

[Nvr2Thick]

Here's a new paragraph added to my blog regarding this topic:

 

It can be fun to just have sex and not put any expectations on it. But, we need to get down to the very core of what it means to be or want an escort. Many of these guys are trying to “by-pass” the whole idea of the fact that their behavior and desires, correlates with the very fundamental principles of escort services.

 

Look, there’s nothing wrong with hooking up. But, so MANY guys out there that have been conditioned to feel that they AUTOMATICALLY deserve the sex they want, without so much as even putting a single ounce of effort into getting it. Hey…it goes both ways. I’ll put the effort, they can put the effort to. But, many don’t even give these guys the chance to do it. I know friends that would cheerfully put a hooker out of business, because they will have sex with a man’s live-in husband, fuck a bisexual man, or have sex with 3-4 guys a day, and not think twice about it.

 

Find us another escort who agrees with you. Then we'll have a topic worthy of discussion. Let's just say it needs confirmation from an escort who is less passionate about all the many, many things that are wrong with his clients and his professional. Until then I'm just going to put this creative idea right next to the conspiracy theory about escorts who lowball you.

 

Next I expect you'll say that heterosexual men who marry are cheating you out of business by not opening their minds to gay sex outside of their marriages, with escorts. I'm sure they're also flakes if they live the states of Ohio and Indiana because they've never called you. They're also racist because they don't call you first before they don't call white escorts.

[+ Funguy]

Aw Joey … my earlier post actually was meant constructively, but the real Joey got in its way.

It was fun (after all, I'm Funguy) to follow your history on the Forum back to 2010 - all of the same bitching and moaning, racism and all.

Perhaps it's finally time, as in your thread on 3-12-2010: "Joey Bryant to be discontinued…"

BTW, you couldn't get close enough to thwap me:cool:

[EastbayMike]

Joey is a train wreck on this forum. Every one of his threads follows the same arc from an absurd supposition to righteous indignation to name calling. You'd think he'd learn his lesson and stop posting. My own feeling is he has a warped outlook on both escorting and interpersonal relationships. He really needs a good honest friend or a series of sessions with a councilor.

[Guest ChrisW]

*watches the shit show of clients and escorts unfold with a bucket of popcorn*