Just an observation: More than 500 working guys in nyc....

[cany10011]

and I haven't really found one that I want to spend more money on (>300) or are fake posters (i.e., Vlad: http://rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=558452&scid=122502185&sp=24&pos=467&locid=1569&iid=492804&type=escort) who use photos from other models (met up with him recently and though nice, not an experience i wish to repeat.

[+ Gar1eth]

and I haven't really found one that I want to spend more money on (>300) or are fake posters (i.e., Vlad: http://rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=558452&scid=122502185&sp=24&pos=467&locid=1569&iid=492804&type=escort) who use photos from other models (met up with him recently and though nice, not an experience i wish to repeat.

 

Cany- I know you were just mentioning. But if Vlad's fake pictures are your type, you might consider Arek

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=328079&type=escort

 

He's older than Vlad's fake pictures, but he's incredibly nice, handsome, muscular, and versatile.

 

Gman

[Bostonian]

Are you referring to this Vlad?

 

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=558452&scid=122535741&sp=1&pos=0&locid=&iid=492804&type=escort

 

He's Daddy's coverboy of the day with a positive review from a multiple reviewer. Was thinking about contacting him after seeing the review. Photos are really hot, are the photos not real?

[cany10011]

Thank you Gman! Appreciate the recommendation !

 

 

Cany- I know you were just mentioning. But if Vlad's fake pictures are your type, you might consider Arek

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=328079&type=escort

 

He's older than Vlad's fake pictures, but he's incredibly nice, handsome, muscular, and versatile.

 

Gman

[Guest Spanker01]

Are we talking about the young man who is the coverboy today? It seems to me we are talking about a different Vlad.

[Bostonian]

Yeah I'm confused too. The coverboy Vlad looks amazing. Just my type. Would love to know if they are real pics.

[cany10011]

I wish he were his pics. Despite his assurance that his pics were real, someone different appeared. Nice guy but not what I was looking for. Not to make this a review but his looks were not my type.

 

 

Yeah I'm confused too. The coverboy Vlad looks amazing. Just my type. Would

love to know if they are real pics.

[AdamSmith]

A modest suggestion. Since you live in NYC, there is always the option of the more than 5000 (conservatively estimated ) 'working' guys who don't post ads, but can be had for lunch money in just about any gay or mixed venue around town, if you have time & inclination to skeeze around seeking them out. Which can be vastly enjoyable in its own right.

 

And of course you get to look at and visit with him before committing.

[+ Gar1eth]

Cany- I know you were just mentioning. But if Vlad's fake pictures are your type, you might consider Arek

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=328079&type=escort

 

He's older than Vlad's fake pictures, but he's incredibly nice, handsome, muscular, and versatile.

 

Gman

 

Thank you Gman! Appreciate the recommendation !

 

Just as a quick follow-up- as you can see from Daddy's Reviews, Arek has 28 of them- all complimentary.

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/newest/arek_nyc

 

I should also ad that I am not employed by Arek- I receive no enumeration for suggesting him

 

It's just I have had several good times with Arek. And I'm happy to suggest him. I also had a nice time with Michael Bender- Arek and I clicked better. But If you like guys in their 40's, Michael is good too.

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/2013-10-14/michael_bender_nyc

 

Gman

[cany10011]

Thank you Gman I tend to like my guys a little younger than me but would not be averse to playing with Arek or Michael too.

 

 

QUOTE=Gar1eth;913257]Just as a quick follow-up- as you can see from Daddy's Reviews, Arek has 28 of them- all complimentary.

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/newest/arek_nyc

 

I should also ad that I am not employed by Arek- I receive no enumeration for suggesting him

 

It's just I have had several good times with Arek. And I'm happy to suggest him. I also had a nice time with Michael Bender- Arek and I clicked better. But If you like guys in their 40's, Michael is good too.

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/2013-10-14/michael_bender_nyc

 

Gman

[cany10011]

Thanks AdamSmith, you are right there are other "nonpros" who will meet up for far less. One guy i met up with not long ago was a ballet dancer, turned law student who was beautiful inside and out. He met with me for a ridiculously low rate and was always game to do extracurricullar things off the clock. Another one would spend the night for 300. Much cheaper than these hourly ones who charge 350$.

 

A modest suggestion. Since you live in NYC, there is always the option of the more than 5000 (conservatively estimated ) 'working' guys who don't post ads, but can be had for lunch money in just about any gay or mixed venue around town, if you have time & inclination to skeeze around seeking them out. Which can be vastly enjoyable in its own right.

 

And of course you get to look at and visit with him before committing.

[AdamSmith]

Thanks AdamSmith, you are right there are other "nonpros" who will meet up for far less. One guy i met up with not long ago was a ballet dancer, turned law student who was beautiful inside and out. He met with me for a ridiculously low rate and was always game to do extracurricullar things off the clock. Another one would spend the night for 300. Much cheaper than these hourly ones who charge 350$.

 

Beautiful indeed! And as has been remarked here before -- and as you imply -- the non-pros often have a spontaneity, openness, non-hardened-ness that can be not so easy to find among the pros.

[cany10011]

They are also the ones who don't really need the money and are doing it for fun or just exploring for themselves.

 

Beautiful indeed! And as has been remarked here before -- and as you imply -- the non-pros often have a spontaneity, openness, non-hardened-ness that can be not so easy to find among the pros.

[JoeyBryant]

Thanks AdamSmith, you are right there are other "nonpros" who will meet up for far less. One guy i met up with not long ago was a ballet dancer, turned law student who was beautiful inside and out. He met with me for a ridiculously low rate and was always game to do extracurricullar things off the clock. Another one would spend the night for 300. Much cheaper than these hourly ones who charge 350$.

 

And this is why the business is pretty much in the trenches in 1 city after the next. Sometimes guys here deny the facts that there is a noticeable decrease in business across the board, but a statement like this makes it clear...that eventually, the escort sites will eventually fall to the wayside. It's already happening. But maybe it's a good thing, because paying $60-80 a month for 1 or 2 confirmed appointments is BULLCRAP.

 

I don't even get clients from escort sites anymore, and if I do I'm lucky. These days, both locally and in small markets, it's just craigslist and backpage. Business men are scouring craigslist looking for cheap hookers that'll put out for free (oxymoron, i'nt it? Actually, it's not.) I put the ads up on escort sites because it's professional, but it's not where majority of the traffic is coming from.

[cany10011]

Joey, I think there will always be a market for good quality reliable escorts. Please note, that the boys that go for the rate i quoted are sometimes not always reliable and do not always keep appointments... such is the nature of the game. The triangle of sexpectations also hold true: cheap escorts are not always good and reliable; nor reliable escorts, cheap and good.

 

The nyc escorts on rentboy that ask for 300 or more is higher than my sweet spot for a quick romp in the sack. I usually only look for the guys who advertise around 250 or so.

 

 

 

 

 

And this is why the business is pretty much in the trenches in 1 city after the next. Sometimes guys here deny the facts that there is a noticeable decrease in business across the board, but a statement like this makes it clear...that eventually, the escort sites will eventually fall to the wayside. It's already happening. But maybe it's a good thing, because paying $60-80 a month for 1 or 2 confirmed appointments is BULLCRAP.

 

I don't even get clients from escort sites anymore, and if I do I'm lucky. These days, both locally and in small markets, it's just craigslist and backpage. Business men are scouring craigslist looking for cheap hookers that'll put out for free (oxymoron, i'nt it? Actually, it's not.) I put the ads up on escort sites because it's professional, but it's not where majority of the traffic is coming from.

[+ Gar1eth]

Thanks AdamSmith, you are right there are other "nonpros" who will meet up for far less. One guy i met up with not long ago was a ballet dancer, turned law student who was beautiful inside and out. He met with me for a ridiculously low rate and was always game to do extracurricullar things off the clock. Another one would spend the night for 300. Much cheaper than these hourly ones who charge 350$.

 

I wouldn't even know how to attempt this if I were still hiring. I think it might work best in a really large place like NYC or maybe LA. I have trouble seeing it done in Dallas or Houston. But maybe I'm wrong, and it happens all the time.

But like the guys who used to post how much fun it was finding amateurs on Backpage or Craigslist- it seems to take forever, and is not when you want to meet a guy fairly immmediately.

 

Gman

[JoeyBryant]

Joey, I think there will always be a market for good quality reliable escorts. Please note, that the boys that go for the rate i quoted are sometimes not always reliable and do not always keep appointments... such is the nature of the game. The triangle of sexpectations also hold true: cheap escorts are not always good and reliable; nor reliable escorts, cheap and good.

 

The nyc escorts on rentboy that ask for 300 or more is higher than my sweet spot for a quick romp in the sack. I usually only look for the guys who advertise around 250 or so.

 

Well then in that case, you're acquitted of the charges (Watching this hotel HLN stuff is rubbing off on me). However, even if that was the case...I wouldn't feel you're to 'blame'. As I've said before, it's just the culture. And in actuality, the guys charging ridiculous low rates have more sense than the guys who aren't asking anything.

 

I know I've been talking about 'this guy' a lot, but a friend of mine is one of them who don't charge anything. It just pisses me off to hear about all these liaisons he's having, yet having nothing to show for it. 1 minute he's telling me about a guy he let fuck him who drove up in a Mercedes GLK, the next minute he's talking about how he doesn't have money to get a hotel. I asked him, well what about the guy with the Mercedes? He didn't get anything. Older rich guy, younger poor guy...yet my friend isn't letting them work for anything.

 

Don't get me wrong...and I know I'm going light years away from the topic here, but it's not about making guys golddiggers. If they want to have sex, have sex. But I try to get him to understand, that I wouldn't be able to travel and meet guys, if they weren't offering anything. In addition, guys who he's meeting are (from what he's said) married, older, discreet. Meaning, they are the very types who WOULD hire. Yet, they're giving away freebies. I tell these younger guys, there's no reason to be having sex with random guy after random guy, unless you're a porn star/escort, or you're actually in a relationship. Otherwise, these guys will have absolutely no incentive to respect them. Escorts have an incentive to respect clients, because there's reputation and finances on the line. Who wants to fuck that up?

 

They always act like they don't care, but when I explain it to them...they feel pretty dumb. And they should. I get so tired of the younger generation of gays having no morals or standards when it comes to hooking up. Stick with 1 guy, or like judge Judy says: "find something better to do than make babies".

 

I have trouble seeing it done in Dallas or Houston.

 

I have trouble seeing anything done in Houston or Dallas. Can't get much done in either one. So you're not wrong on that. However, I would counter to say it'd probably be easier in a small area. Dallas and Houston are not small areas.

[+ bigjoey]

A guy hires a bar pick-up for $10. The next day he discovers he got crabs!

He returns to the bar, sees the guy and complains about getting crabs.

The guy replies: "For $10, did you think you were getting lobster."

[down_to_business]

Joey, I think there will always be a market for good quality reliable escorts. Please note, that the boys that go for the rate i quoted are sometimes not always reliable and do not always keep appointments... such is the nature of the game. The triangle of sexpectations also hold true: cheap escorts are not always good and reliable; nor reliable escorts, cheap and good.

 

The nyc escorts on rentboy that ask for 300 or more is higher than my sweet spot for a quick romp in the sack. I usually only look for the guys who advertise around 250 or so.

 

Unfortunately, the guys that charge a lot are no more reliable than the backpagers and craigslisters etc. and maybe even less so. It's gotten to be such a chore to hire, I rarely bother to much anymore. The ads (and we aren't talking a few or a handful or even under 25%) on the "professional" sites are not who they say they are, post fake or purposefully outdated pictures, and have no respect for clients time. This is what's killing the industry for you guys. Why the hell am I going to risk yet another disaster for $250+. Again its simply not worth it. It may be worth the risk of $100, but the risk vs reward aspect has gotten so out of hand that many of us simply give up the game altogether. Damn shame too because this is killing a good thing for all of us.

[JoeyBryant]

The ads (and we aren't talking a few or a handful or even under 25%) on the "professional" sites are not who they say they are, post fake or purposefully outdated pictures, and have no respect for clients time. This is what's killing the industry for you guys. Why the hell am I going to risk yet another disaster for $250+. Again its simply not worth it. It may be worth the risk of $100, but the risk vs reward aspect has gotten so out of hand that many of us simply give up the game altogether. Damn shame too because this is killing a good thing for all of us.

 

Well that's why America sucks. It's overly saturated with escorts, and the laws still surround it. I don't care what anyone says, it sucks here. I go on adam from time to time, and see how seemingly normal guys with profiles bash escorts and/or people in the business...making up all kinds of reasons why they have to do it. Why do they feel they have to do that?

 

But, even though what you mentioned above may be true...that's no excuse for people to not live up to their agreement still. There could be 2 things upsetting the Eco-system: The abundance of flakes, along with what you may have mentioned. But the thing is, with more and more clients not living up to their agreement, it may very well be driving out the good escorts. So, you get these invasive species moving in, and that's just what clients will have to work with...because the natural predators have been driven off.

[ewells2007]

And this is why the business is pretty much in the trenches in 1 city after the next. Sometimes guys here deny the facts that there is a noticeable decrease in business across the board, but a statement like this makes it clear...that eventually, the escort sites will eventually fall to the wayside. It's already happening. But maybe it's a good thing, because paying $60-80 a month for 1 or 2 confirmed appointments is BULLCRAP.

 

I don't even get clients from escort sites anymore, and if I do I'm lucky. These days, both locally and in small markets, it's just craigslist and backpage. Business men are scouring craigslist looking for cheap hookers that'll put out for free (oxymoron, i'nt it? Actually, it's not.) I put the ads up on escort sites because it's professional, but it's not where majority of the traffic is coming from.

 

Joey. This is a very broad statement. I know many escorts who are super busy and don't have an issue getting their rate. I don't think its the business. Its definitely the individual, the quality of their services and the management of their business that makes the difference.

[JoeyBryant]

Joey. This is a very broad statement. I know many escorts who are super busy and don't have an issue getting their rate. I don't think its the business. Its definitely the individual, the quality of their services and the management of their business that makes the difference.

 

Don't tell me about other escort's rates and how busy they are. Unless someone can prove it, put me under their bedroom and tap their phone to hear every single conversation that occurs, unless you can compare someone of similar age, ethnicity, or location, I don't want to hear hearsay. 'Other escorts' don't mean anything to me.

 

The quality of my services, and the management of my business is kept in check always. But, it doesn't take away the fact of what I said. I'm saying it because I know it's true. My Arabic friend often meets with these older, sometimes married guys who seem to be well-off, but they aren't giving him anything. We both met up in Charlotte this week. He's had like 7 or 8 guys come meet him. FOR FREE. Except the 1 guy who paid him to go home.

 

Now, you could say that maybe he's better looking, offers a better service, or manages his 'sex life' better. But in actuality, I'm the one keeping things together. We also agreed that had he asked for money each time a guy offered to see him, not as many (or any) would have followed thru. Clearly, if these guys are going to route of craigslist, then they must be getting what they want without having to think twice about an escort site.

[ewells2007]

Don't tell me about other escort's rates and how busy they are. Unless someone can prove it, put me under their bedroom and tap their phone to hear every single conversation that occurs, unless you can compare someone of similar age, ethnicity, or location, I don't want to hear hearsay. 'Other escorts' don't mean anything to me.

 

The quality of my services, and the management of my business is kept in check always. But, it doesn't take away the fact of what I said. I'm saying it because I know it's true. My Arabic friend often meets with these older, sometimes married guys who seem to be well-off, but they aren't giving him anything. We both met up in Charlotte this week. He's had like 7 or 8 guys come meet him. FOR FREE. Except the 1 guy who paid him to go home.

 

Now, you could say that maybe he's better looking, offers a better service, or manages his 'sex life' better. But in actuality, I'm the one keeping things together. We also agreed that had he asked for money each time a guy offered to see him, not as many (or any) would have followed thru. Clearly, if these guys are going to route of craigslist, then they must be getting what they want without having to think twice about an escort site.

 

Have you ever considered that a lot of people who hire, read this forum, do not post and are constantly reading your rants? You are not bad looking at all. However I have a feeling your posts scare many people away. After all, perception means a lot in any business. Speak softly and carry a big stick.

[+ Gar1eth]

My Arabic friend often meets with these older, sometimes married guys who seem to be well-off, but they aren't giving him anything. We both met up in Charlotte this week. He's had like 7 or 8 guys come meet him. FOR FREE. Except the 1 guy who paid him to go home.

 

Joey, I'm not sure your friend is managing anything wrong and neither are you. You are a working guy. It sounds to me like your friend is the very definition of a devoted amateur who seems to actually like having sex with older guys. Now obviously I'm not saying you mind it. But it's a job. If I had the chance to meet someone who I was sure was real- and knew that they were actually attracted to a guy age and and with my avoir du pois (poundage), I'd go with them. If your friend doesn't really like being with older guys, but he still goes with them for free anyway; well that seems like a definition of masochism to me.

 

Gman

[JoeyBryant]

Have you ever considered that a lot of people who hire, read this forum, do not post and are constantly reading your rants? You are not bad looking at all. However I have a feeling your posts scare many people away. After all, perception means a lot in any business. Speak softly and carry a big stick.

 

Can you even respond to what I just said? You're putting too much emphasis on the forum, than the facts on hand. This forum has nothing to do with what's already happening. It's going to happen whether I post or don't post. That I've already concluded. But, I will bring to the table my own proof of what 'other escorts' are saying, with these excerpts:

 

Escort A: Been pretty dead today.Loads of calls but mainly timewasters.

Still having a day off tomorrow and got a nice 2 hours booked in for Sunday.

 

Escort B: Gggrrrrrrrrr I had 5 clients booked in for an incall day, 3 confirmed and low and behold they haven't shown and only calls I've had have been tw's and idiot's.

 

Escort C: I just finish my tour in Heathrow. I didnt get any booking before but thought I might get some while staying in a hotel. Before I said I am fed up, now even more... I had no bookings at all. not evenone!!! You know its not about the mony now but I am thinkin how useless I am and how uninteresting for men I have to be :-( it really makes me cry...

 

Escort D: In the summer seems like it is now with this gorgeous weather it quietens down. The world cup etc can cause it. Try and be strong as you are your business if not in good shape mentally could be trouble. Meaning business might get even more dampened

 

Escort E: It's eerily quiet here right now. Third day of not even an inquiry, nevermind a booking, after an already slow week. Kinda stressing me out. o.O

 

Escort F: I've just taken on a civvy full time job as the stress of whether I was going to earn enough from escorting every month to pay rent and bills etc was going to send me to an early grave. I've been escorting for 8 years now and used to make a fortune from it. Over the last 6 months it really seems to have died a death in my area. I'm lucky if I get 3 bookings a week max now (I used to get double that a day when I first started). I work hard at my advertising and I update my photos a lot. My rates aren't high and I like to think I'm quite attractive etc. I offer the usual services too so I can only assume that my area is saturated with escorts now or clients in my area just can't afford to book more than once or twice a year now after the recession. I can't move areas for various reasons.

 

So there you go, it's not all peaches and cream. As I've said a million times, there's no gravitational orbit around this forum. Plus, guys see my forum posts all the time anyway.

 

Oh...and then this garbage I seen on adam4adam last night: actually I just checked his profile and he deleted what he said, because I told him it was offensive, and I won't talk to him. But it was about how 'brothers' (black men) have to resort to selling dick and ass because we're too lazy to work or get a job". But yet when a White guy does it, he gets good reviews. When a Black guy escorts, it's because he's lazy. When a White guy does he, he gets recognition.

 

Americans can be so hypocritical and judgmental! In the South, it's magnified. Just seeing ignorant writing is enough for me to not want to live someplace. And it rubs off on some more than others!