Crackhead Is Back

[Rod Hagen]

Walking by "Different Light" on Castro this weekend, I noticed that San Francisco's princess, Joseph Itiel, has published another collection of lies. Who keeps buying his shit? Hopefully none of you.

[Rick Munroe]

He gave a reading there last week, too. We had no idea who he was but saw the flyer so we went in to check out the book (not to hear him read; it was the next day). You're right...it's trashy. I read one sentence, said "ucch" as only a Jew from Brooklyn can do, and put it back down.

[woodlawn]

Rod, I'm not sure what your problem is with this author. I have not read any of his books, but I have read a review of one that included extensive excerpts on the subject of male "sex workers." His comments sounded similar to those I have read in posts by such regulars as Will or Tampa Yankee, i.e., there was a pronounced tendency to idealize prostitutes. Is that what you object to?

[Guest random]

I haven't read any of his books ... then I don't read very often anyway. For those who might be curious as I was here is his web site: http://www.josephitiel.com

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Another Collection

 

For different reasons than our friend Woody (I neither want to bait you or others nor do I wish to engage in navel grazing of the finest order) I am curious about your remarks, particularly the vitrol behind it. Last I recall, you were interested in meeting Mr. Itiel on the basis of two of his books. You also had made positive comments about his ideas.

 

What has caused the change of heart?

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Another Collection

 

I've never liked him. Patronizing queen.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Another Collection

 

Franco, I wanted to meet Joseph so that I could cuss him out.

 

-Hagen

[chrismac]

RE: Another Collection

 

>Franco, I wanted to meet Joseph so that I could cuss him

>out.

 

Yes, I remember you mentioning that. Not that it would do anyone any good. He wouldn't likely change his views, and your anger towards him would unlikely diminish.

 

Maybe he's more "crackpot" than "crackhead", or both. Either way, it doesn't matter. People have to figure these things out for themselves.

[woodlawn]

RE: Another Collection

 

>>Franco, I wanted to meet Joseph so that I could cuss him

>>out.

 

>Yes, I remember you mentioning that. Not that it would do

>anyone any good. He wouldn't likely change his views, and your

>anger towards him would unlikely diminish.

 

 

What views? Notwithstanding the usual hate speech from Franco ("I'm a five-star restaurant while all the other hookers are like Burger King") DeSantis, I am genuinely curious. Why was this thread started for the sole purpose of blackguarding an author who appears to like and value escorts?

[+ Lucky]

RE: Another Connection

 

Woodie, that makes two of us! And is Itiel really a crackhead? Seems like a gratuitous hit here, Rod.

 

On your other point, Franco doesn't purport to be a five-star restaurant, does he? More like an established older facility that has years of history behind it. I don't really see him as one who tries to advance himself by putting down other escorts.

[woodlawn]

RE: Another Connection

 

>Woodie, that makes two of us!

 

I did a search under his name and I see he authored a book on hookers that I took a look at years ago. I didn't read it carefully, but I don't remember anything in it that sounded like he wanted to take swipe at this business.

 

>On your other point, Franco doesn't purport to be a five-star

>restaurant, does he?

 

That expression comes from a post he authored in which he compared his services to those of far cheaper hookers.

 

>More like an established older facility

>that has years of history behind it.

 

So you'd describe him as the "Morton's Steakhouse" of prostitution?

 

>I don't really see him as

>one who tries to advance himself by putting down other

>escorts.

 

The superiority of his services compared to what others offer is something he brings up whenever we have one of those threads discussing whether there is any relationship between price and quality where escorts are concerned. Opinion in those threads always breaks along party lines -- clients: no relationship; escorts: you get what you pay for.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Another Collection

 

>Notwithstanding the usual hate speech from Franco

> ("I'm a five-star restaurant while all the other hookers are

>like Burger King") DeSantis

 

I prefer to think of Derek and myself as a pair of White Castles (since, you know, you can never have just one).

 

http://www.whitecastle.com/_assets/images/food/menu/cheeseburger_lg.jpg http://www.whitecastle.com/_assets/images/food/menu/cheeseburger_lg.jpg

[+ Lucky]

RE: Another Collection

 

Which one is Derek?

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Another Collection

 

>Which one is Derek?

 

That's easy. He's the one on top:

 

http://www.whitecastle.com/_assets/images/food/menu/cheeseburger_lg.jpg

http://www.whitecastle.com/_assets/images/food/menu/cheeseburger_lg.jpg

[+ Lucky]

RE: Another Collection

 

lol

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Pin Point Accuracy

 

>On your other point, Franco doesn't purport to be a five-star

>restaurant, does he? More like an established older facility

>that has years of history behind it. I don't really see him as

>one who tries to advance himself by putting down other

>escorts.

 

 

Lucky, you are quite correct.

 

I have never stated, on this site, or any other web site, e-mail, phone conversation, or otherwise, that I was better than any other escort, hustler, hooker, rent boy, etc.

 

In typical Woody fashion, attempting to deflect attention from his own defects, Little Woody finds it necessary to attack others. He has never met any escort (or whichever derogatory term he would like to use today) that he had a kind, much less honest word, for.

 

The difference between a hustler and an escort is one that has been discussed on this site by any number of individuals. It is my opinion that an escort encounter should be akin to fine dining, that is true. The experience should exceed what a client would expect from a meal he, himself, prepared. If his reservation was for 8:00 p.m., the table should be prepared and ready for him at that time, the service should be considerate, friendly, and appropriate. The meal should be as ordered and the environment should lend itself to an exceptional experience.

 

In other words, this is not pulling up to the sidewalk and finding some guy who requests $20 and having the client, as Woody once did, cackle about how he has gotten the same service he could get from an escort for far, far less.

 

I can point to threads that Woody, in any of his numerous other personas, has made such comments. He, on the other hand, cannot point to a single one where I said I was this quality and others were not.

 

The only distinction I personally made was that I do not hustle clients. Most of my clients appreciate that. Why Little Woody does not is only something he and his psychotherapist know for certain.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Ah

 

OK, thank you for clarifying that.

[bluenix]

Sliders

 

In my neck of the woods White Castle cheeseburgers are known as sliders.

 

When they're handed to you in the bag they look nothing like the pics, because between the photograph and your mouth they're steamed to, um, perfection.

 

I hesitated, if only momentarily, to bring this factoid to the board's attention, because I don't know if Mr. Ross and Mr. Monroe in fact slide.

 

http://www.ezshots.com/members/blueman/images/blueman-121.gif http://www.ezshots.com/members/blueman/images/blueman-121.gif http://www.ezshots.com/members/blueman/images/blueman-121.gif http://www.ezshots.com/members/blueman/images/blueman-121.gif

[SurfNightAway]

His first book on escorts (A Consumer's Guide) was mean spirited and poorly written. He wasted many, many pages instructing you on how to nickle and dime an escort. I feel sorry for any escorts he employs, since he clearly regards escorts as meat, not human beings. I was appalled.

[guyinsf]

RE: Another Collection

 

Leave it to Rick to bring an unexpected and amusing twist into the conversation. :-)

[+ Lucky]

"I was appalled"

 

In this case, "I" is an unknown male from San Diego. It seems to me that opinions always carry more weight when you know who the person behind the opinion is. Here is someone who has created an internet identity to post an opinion on an author of a book. But we really have no more idea of the validity of this opinion than we did before the post was made.

[woodlawn]

RE: Pin Point Accuracy

 

>In typical Woody fashion, attempting to deflect attention from

>his own defects, Little Woody finds it necessary to attack

>others. He has never met any escort (or whichever derogatory

>term he would like to use today) that he had a kind, much less

>honest word, for.

 

Did it ever occur to you that the reason Donnie keeps hassling you is that the hateful lies you constantly tell about others have caused him to recognize in you a kindred spirit? To me that seems much the most likely explanation.

 

 

>In other words, this is not pulling up to the sidewalk and

>finding some guy who requests $20 and having the client, as

>Woody once did, cackle about how he has gotten the same

>service he could get from an escort for far, far less.

 

I'm not prone to picking up streetwalkers or even to using Craig's List to save money, but unlike you I don't disparage those who do. Frankly, I find it hard to see much difference between a hooker who makes his appointments on street corners and one who makes them from a poky little apartment in West Hollywood. The only difference I can detect in your case is your incredibly pretentious attitude. And that is certainly not something I'd be willing to pay for.

 

 

>I can point to threads that Woody, in any of his numerous

>other personas, has made such comments.

 

Okay, go ahead.

 

>He, on the other hand,

>cannot point to a single one where I said I was this quality

>and others were not.

 

You just said so in your previous post. That was easy, wasn't it?

 

>The only distinction I personally made was that I do not

>hustle clients. Most of my clients appreciate that. Why Little

>Woody does not is only something he and his psychotherapist

>know for certain.

 

As I said, I see no reason to pay extra to have a hooker pretend that he is Queen Victoria's social secretary rather than someone who fucks and gets fucked for money. If you have trouble understanding that I'll try to think of two or three other ways to say it.

 

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Sliders

 

>I hesitated, if only momentarily, to bring this factoid to the

>board's attention, because I don't know if Mr. Ross and Mr.

>Munroe in fact slide.

 

Actually, Derek prefers the seesaw and I'm all about the monkey bars.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Another Collection

 

>Leave it to Rick to bring an unexpected and amusing twist

 

Can I use this quote in my ads? :+

[chrismac]

Well Lucky - it wasn't me! ;-)

 

But welcome new surfer guy! Always room for more opinions around here.