Should reviews about BB sex be published? Do the encourage guys to do it and sooner o

[McLeanspider]

The more you see it, the more normal, expected and inevitable it looks.

Should reviews about BB sex be published on this site? Do they encourage guys to do it BB with escorts, friends, bf, NSA and sooner or later get infected with HIV?

If Obamacare is fully implemented we're all going to be paying as a community, if the health insurance companies collapse and we go on single payer as Canada and the UK, we'll pay 100% for each others healthcare.

We are makers and takers during our lives and go on and off that condition according to age, circumstances, accidents, a few people remain on one category or the other, but I don't think we should abuse the system and get infected with HIV and pass the bill to the country.

I'd rather knowing about an escort practices so I can avoid him, I think we all should assumed that everybody else is Positive and we are the only ones who aren't in order to take precautions and use condoms for anal but aren't we promoting BB when we watch it on films, read about it and hire guys who BB in order to get paid more money?

I had so many friends who died in the 80's, at that time we didn't know what was causing it but as soon as we found out, we started using condoms for anal sex which is the main way to get infected among gay men.

I even cancelled my membership of Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher because of all the BB among young folks who now account for more of the new cases.

As BVB says, it's just my 2 cents.

[jimboivyo]

The more you see it, the more normal, expected and inevitable it looks.

Should reviews about BB sex be published on this site? Do they encourage guys to do it BB with escorts, friends, bf, NSA and sooner or later get infected with HIV?

If Obamacare is fully implemented we're all going to be paying as a community, if the health insurance companies collapse and we go on single payer as Canada and the UK, we'll pay 100% for each others healthcare.

We are makers and takers during our lives and go on and off that condition according to age, circumstances, accidents, a few people remain on one category or the other, but I don't think we should abuse the system and get infected with HIV and pass the bill to the country.

I'd rather knowing about an escort practices so I can avoid him, I think we all should assumed that everybody else is Positive and we are the only ones who aren't in order to take precautions and use condoms for anal but aren't we promoting BB when we watch it on films, read about it and hire guys who BB in order to get paid more money?

I had so many friends who died in the 80's, at that time we didn't know what was causing it but as soon as we found out, we started using condoms for anal sex which is the main way to get infected among gay men.

I even cancelled my membership of Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher because of all the BB among young folks who now account for more of the new cases.

As BVB says, it's just my 2 cents.

 

I vote we keep them

 

reasoning that folks can then see who the really insane escorts are. while i wouldn't bb with anyone, escorts who do must have more than just a death wish. theres gotta be a few screws loose too

[nycguy]

This topic is coming up about once a month. I don't see what is changing by the month to warrant it.

 

"Should reviews about BB sex be published?" If they are not, it ain't going to change the majority of escorts who bareback (even the safe only ones) or the number of clients requesting it. One would think that you would prefer reviews of barebacking escorts so that you know who to stay away from.

 

See you next month!

[instudiocity]

The more you see it, the more normal, expected and inevitable it looks.

Should reviews about BB sex be published on this site? Do they encourage guys to do it BB with escorts, friends, bf, NSA and sooner or later get infected with HIV?

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around, does that falling tree make a sound?

If Obamacare is fully implemented we're all going to be paying as a community, if the health insurance companies collapse and we go on single payer as Canada and the UK, we'll pay 100% for each others healthcare.

Who do you thinks pays for 'others' healthcare before Obamacare?

We are makers and takers during our lives and go on and off that condition according to age, circumstances, accidents, a few people remain on one category or the other, but I don't think we should abuse the system and get infected with HIV and pass the bill to the country.

To whom did the bill go to in the past?

I'd rather knowing about an escort practices so I can avoid him, I think we all should assumed that everybody else is Positive and we are the only ones who aren't in order to take precautions and use condoms for anal but aren't we promoting BB when we watch it on films, read about it and hire guys who BB in order to get paid more money?

Sounds like you answered your own question, but yes, personal responsibility is a big issue in the entire healthcare discussion.

I had so many friends who died in the 80's, at that time we didn't know what was causing it but as soon as we found out, we started using condoms for anal sex which is the main way to get infected among gay men.

I even cancelled my membership of Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher because of all the BB among young folks who now account for more of the new cases.

As BVB says, it's just my 2 cents.

Good for you, you've taken personal responsibility in not supporting BB sites. But what about the BB reviews? Looks like you answered the first question in your Thread title. As to the second question, isn't that all about personal responsibility? And isn't the ability to take personal responsibility a 'FREEDOM' we have?

[marylander1940]

And isn't the ability to take personal responsibility a 'FREEDOM' we have?

 

 

Exactly! Freedom to choose.

[Guest]

That being said, I truly don't understand why they make BB porn at all. I can certainly understand how, from a top's perspective, when actually having sex, it feels different with a condom on. But why would it make a difference when watching porn?? The sensation is no different, no matter how you're playing with yourself. Are there really people out there whose orgasms are less intense because they can see the base of the condom in the porn they're watching???

[Nvr2Thick]

The more you see it, the more normal, expected and inevitable it looks.

Should reviews about BB sex be published on this site? Do they encourage guys to do it BB with escorts, friends, bf, NSA and sooner or later get infected with HIV?

 

A BB review published on a site containing a forum such as this one creates an opportunity for discussion. The review doesn't stand alone to contribute to normalcy and inevitability; it also provokes discussion about the appropriateness of the behavior as assessed from many points of view.

 

That being said, I truly don't understand why they make BB porn at all. I can certainly understand how, from a top's perspective, when actually having sex, it feels different with a condom on. But why would it make a difference when watching porn?? The sensation is no different, no matter how you're playing with yourself. Are there really people out there whose orgasms are less intense because they can see the base of the condom in the porn they're watching???

 

I love watching bareback porn. For me, sexual excitement is about a big-dicked stud enjoying himself. When I see a man plunge his long naked dick in a tight ass it really turns me on because I know he's feeling good. When the top is clearly enjoying the act and the connection with his bottom it's even better. When it looks like two guys having actual sex instead of the posed and choreographed stuff the major studios do it's amazing to me. When it ends because the top's pounding leads to orgasm instead of the staged, aimed j.o. to cumshot it's about perfect for me.

 

I know that this fantasy is being played out by real people, but when I'm watching it I'm not thinking about the consequences of the performers' choices or of the greater impact on public health.

[jgoo]

While I haven't found any specific studies showing causation between watching bareback porn leading to bareback sex, I speculate and personally believe that there there is a definite cause and effect link. There is a reference to a study showing a positive correlation (http://outfrontonline.com/ofcnow/study-watching-bareback-porn-correlated-with-unprotected-sex-in-gay-men/) but it points out that it shouldn't be surprising considering those that have serious objections to barebacking in the first place likely wouldn't watch bareback porn anyway. The actual causation link is not clearly shown in the study but again I believe it can be a big factor (if not the biggest).

 

One of the many arguments given against bareback in porn that strikes me as pretty powerful is that watching porn is often the first introduction to gay sex for young gays who are just exploring what being gay is all about. Seeing bareback would seem to me to have a significant impact on the way they see things.

 

As far as publishing reviews with BB sex, I can't see a strong enough reason not to have them as it is a reality that it does happen and more information is better than less. If they weren't published then those escorts would possibly still be reviewed but any reference to the bareback would be eliminated by the client as a result, so I think that doesn't serve the general population well. We shouldn't bury our heads in the sand.

 

Perhaps a middle ground could be adding a standard statement by Daddy for any bareback review that highlights the escort review involved unsafe activity and some link to a site related to safe sex. While some may think it is like pissing the wind to do something like that, it could be useful somewhat to counter any sense that such activity is to be considered the norm or accepted in the escorting scene. Of course, just my opinion and Daddy never asked me for my suggestion

[+ dupontversDC]

The more you see it, the more normal, expected and inevitable it looks.

Should reviews about BB sex be published on this site?

 

You are judgmental and don't like BB porn or BB sex, ...you want to censor others. I guess you think it would be fine for those who don't agree with your hiring gay hookers who use rubbers to judge you and censor your posts?

 

Its much better to just eliminate mention of things you don't like, and pretend they don't exist or that others don't agree with you. I'm sure you watch lots of ideological news programs so you can't be offended by those who don't agree with you.

 

Really no different than a rightwing Christian nut job who disapproves of all of us gays.

[Steven_Draker]

Does bareback porn influence behavior?

 

While I haven't found any specific studies showing causation between watching bareback porn leading to bareback sex, I speculate and personally believe that there there is a definite cause and effect link. There is a reference to a study showing a positive correlation (http://outfrontonline.com/ofcnow/study-watching-bareback-porn-correlated-with-unprotected-sex-in-gay-men/) but it points out that it shouldn't be surprising considering those that have serious objections to barebacking in the first place likely wouldn't watch bareback porn anyway. The actual causation link is not clearly shown in the study but again I believe it can be a big factor (if not the biggest).

 

I believe we touched the subject back in December 2013 in the thread "MORE studios goign Bareback!! Help!!"

 

The Question Of Bareback Porn

by George Forgan-Smith

August 10th, 2012

 

When it comes to the world of porn, in particular bareback porn it’s been a very interesting few weeks.

 

Just this week GMFA have release the findings of their porn study with the following results:

 

• 87% of gay men report watching porn at least once a week (1 in 4 watching porn every day)
  
• the most popular act watched was anal sex (91%)
  
• 69% reported actively choosing bareback porn with 96% having ever watched bareback porn.
  

 

Of course this brings forward the question if gay men are being exposed to regular bareback sex, in particular anal sex that is considered the highest risk sexual act for transmission of HIV, is there likely to be a wash over effect to actual behaviour? Does watching bareback porn promote actual bareback sex?

 

Interestingly 7% of survey takers said that yes, watching bareback porn lead to them having unsafe anal sex, with almost all (96.8%) saying that this would not stop them watching bareback porn.

 

By far the most interesting question I found was “do you think watching bareback porn can lead others to having unprotected sex?”. More then 50% of the people taking the survey said yes, watching bareback porn was likely to make other people have unsafe sex. Is this a case of “well clearly I can tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but I can’t speak for others…”?

Bareback porn has been a controversial topic for many years now. Recently legislation was passed in Los Angles forbidding the production of bareback porn.

 

What we can say is that clearly there is money to be made in the production of bareback porn. When production houses like Sean Cody who used to be staunchly “safe sex only” start producing bareback the question has to be asked why? High demand from the already subscribed members? A decline in members with the current porn dollar being spread ever thin by sites like x-tube?

 

On one side of the argument is production houses like Treasure Island Media who’s director Paul Morris has stated:

 

…all acts of queer sex should be represented on screen with equal honesty. The entire spectrum of behavior from innocent to depraved, from life-affirming to death-enhancing should be available for the viewers.

 

...

 

Consumers of bareback porn—that is, porn produced for gay men that not only features unprotected anal sex but fetishizes unprotected sex—creates a similar destructive loop. Someone that consumes bareback porn is creating more demand for bareback porn which leads to more bareback porn being produced.

 

And you can’t create bareback porn without putting porn actors at risk of HIV infection. Consumers of bareback porn argue that these actors are adults, and they’re aware of the risks they’re running, and so consumers of bareback porn are not quite as culpable as consumers of kiddie porn. And they’re right. But many of the actors in bareback porn are very young, very naive, and very vulnerable, and the demand for bareback porn is doing real harm to real people.

 

You know the topic is controversial when online new outlets like Huffington Post release articles questioning movies like “Dawson’s 20 Load Weekend” as “the most important gay porn film ever made?”

 

I think the importance of this film is debatable. The act however, is it liberating, a right, an act of defiance as reported by gay anthropologist Eric Rofes? Or is bareback porn an act of exploitation of vulnerable actors in a fickle market throwing demands where increasing competition means anal sex without condoms is the only way to make money…

 

Are models being put at risk for the sake of public demand?

 

Are the public being placed at risk with depictions of raw sex separate from safety measures that may be in place to reduce risk of HIV infection?

 

Is porn purely about the depiction of sex or can it have a role in education?

 

source and comments at: http://thehealthybear.com/bareback-porn/

[marylander1940]

...

 

I think the importance of this film is debatable. The act however, is it liberating, a right, an act of defiance as reported by gay anthropologist Eric Rofes? Or is bareback porn an act of exploitation of vulnerable actors in a fickle market throwing demands where increasing competition means anal sex without condoms is the only way to make money…

 

Are models being put at risk for the sake of public demand?

 

 

There was a very interesting thread about this topic a few months ago.

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?94282-Prague-s-Adult-Film-Industry-Review&highlight=eastern+europe

[+ Charlie]

The problem with arguments about bareback porn and actual sexual behavior is that there is no way to obtain verifiable information about cause and effect. All information about both watching and doing is self-reported and therefore unreliable. Many men who enjoy watching will say they don't watch or they disapprove of it, because they know that it is not politically correct even within the gay community to approve of it, and the same goes for what they say they do in bed. Therefore, unlike the question of whether the earth is flat, no opinion on the topic can be factually invalidated. "Monkey see, monkey do" seems like common sense, but then, the earth's flatness also seems like common sense to most of us based on our physical experience.

 

I don't like the idea of censoring what experiences can be mentioned in a review on this site. Clients who come here for information about escorts want to know what the escorts actually did with a client, not just what they advertise. There are undoubtedly readers who want to hire escorts who bareback, just as there are clients who want to avoid them. A good case in point is a recent review of West Coast Mike, who has been around for a long time. The review mentioned that he barebacked with the client, something that I don't believe had ever been mentioned before in his reviews; suddenly, other posters here piped up that they had similar experience with him. This is information that would probably make future clients more or less likely to hire him than they would have based on previous reviews, and that is useful. Whether the information is TRUE is another issue altogether, since some escorts would certainly fear that it is negative and would want to contest it. Since the review that prompted this thread gave the escort a very positive rating, I don't know whether Daddy gave him an opportunity to respond, the way he does to escorts who receive negative reviews. I remember that some time back there was a positive review of Miles in Louisville which described him engaging in a scat scene with the client, and that prompted howls of disfavor in the MB; I believe Daddy allowed him to write a response, in which he claimed that the scat scene was actually a carefully managed fantasy for the client and not a reality. Barebacking is such a touchy issue that perhaps escorts should automatically be given the opportunity to respond to it.

[Michael Wayne]

in my view there is one and only one MAN who can make that choice and since this is HIS forum let's all trust HIM to make the right choice. http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

[Steven_Draker]

A good case in point is a recent review of West Coast Mike, who has been around for a long time. The review mentioned that he barebacked with the client, something that I don't believe had ever been mentioned before in his reviews; suddenly, other posters here piped up that they had similar experience with him. This is information that would probably make future clients more or less likely to hire him than they would have based on previous reviews, and that is useful. Whether the information is TRUE is another issue altogether, since some escorts would certainly fear that it is negative and would want to contest it. Since the review that prompted this thread gave the escort a very positive rating, I don't know whether Daddy gave him an opportunity to respond, the way he does to escorts who receive negative reviews.

 

I believe the problem with that review wasn't the barebacking per se, which turned out to be non-consensual, but rather penetrating the client with no condom and without his knowledge.

[DougLA]

I agree completely. Had I seen such a review about West Coast Mike I never would have spent time with him. If an escort barebacks I want to know about it. No reason to censor the review.

[Frankly Rich]

You are judgmental and don't like BB porn or BB sex, ...you want to censor others. I guess you think it would be fine for those who don't agree with your hiring gay hookers who use rubbers to judge you and censor your posts?

 

Its much better to just eliminate mention of things you don't like, and pretend they don't exist or that others don't agree with you. I'm sure you watch lots of ideological news programs so you can't be offended by those who don't agree with you.

 

Really no different than a rightwing Christian nut job who disapproves of all of us gays.

 

He's quite a bit different than a right-wing nut job, although I suspect that you know nut jobs pretty well. The cost to society of huge numbers of barebacking gay men getting sick and dying is enormous, so that makes it his business as well as ours. The fact was during the first AIDS epidemic is that many, if not most, of the men sick and dying did not have health insurance. I don't expect that's changed today, except that Obamacare may make them the public's responsibility, which means, of course, us. So we will be paying, literally, for their mistakes,

[+ Axiom2001]

I vote we keep them

 

reasoning that folks can then see who the really insane escorts are. while i wouldn't bb with anyone, escorts who do must have more than just a death wish. theres gotta be a few screws loose too

 

I wholeheartedly concur!

[+ Funguy]

"Perhaps a middle ground could be adding a standard statement by Daddy for any bareback review that highlights the escort review involved unsafe activity and some link to a site related to safe sex. While some may think it is like pissing the wind to do something like that, it could be useful somewhat to counter any sense that such activity is to be considered the norm or accepted in the escorting scene. Of course, just my opinion and Daddy never asked me for my suggestion "

 

It might be "pissing in the wind" but if it makes just one guy just starting out stop and question, it has done what it set out to do! Thank you, jgoo.

 

Funguy

[+ Axiom2001]

ALL reviews should be published regardless of their content unless the reviewer is personally attacking an escort with the words entailed in the review.

I, as one who has been seeing escorts for as long as I choose to remember my having to engage their services, wants to know who practices "safer sex" vs the ones who do not! This helps in deciding whether or not I desire to engage his "service!" Barebacking is completely irresponsible and leads to more things other than one's "feeling good!"

[bigvalboy]

"Perhaps a middle ground could be adding a standard statement by Daddy for any bareback review that highlights the escort review involved unsafe activity and some link to a site related to safe sex. While some may think it is like pissing the wind to do something like that, it could be useful somewhat to counter any sense that such activity is to be considered the norm or accepted in the escorting scene. Of course, just my opinion and Daddy never asked me for my suggestion "

It might be "pissing in the wind" but if it makes just one guy just starting out stop and question, it has done what it set out to do! Thank you, jgoo.

 

Funguy

 

 

You are absolutely correct. Changing the mindset of everyone in the gay community is obviously unrealistic, especially given the increase in porn studios doing barebacking. BUT if you just get a few people to start thinking about the ramifications, then it is worth it. I still encourage everyone to look at the short film that LBT posted. It is thoughtful and presents the issue without judging.

[Steven_Draker]

Went to see a masseur once' date=' Ex porn star, drop dead gorgeous, Lusted after him for years, a few minutes into the massage he came around to the front of me and he was rock hard. He then crawled on top of me and began telling me how hot I was and that I had gotten him horny. He began to rub his hard cock on my ass, and (I will interject here that I have never bottomed before). He really took his time and began to fu*k me. I knew he didn't have a condom on, and for a split second I wrestled with what to do, and finally decided to let him fu*k me. It was an amazing experience, since it was my first time and all, he was quite proud that he was the first and that I had enjoyed it so much. We talked for several hours after that about a million different things, A great night it was... Would I allow that same experience again? I can't say for certain that I would act otherwise. I am being as honest as I can here. And for those who are curious I have been tested, and it is thumbs up.[/quote']

 

Good idea, let's start thinking about the ramifications.

[marylander1940]

You are judgmental and don't like BB porn or BB sex, ...you want to censor others. I guess you think it would be fine for those who don't agree with your hiring gay hookers who use rubbers to judge you and censor your posts?

 

Its much better to just eliminate mention of things you don't like, and pretend they don't exist or that others don't agree with you. I'm sure you watch lots of ideological news programs so you can't be offended by those who don't agree with you.

 

Really no different than a rightwing Christian nut job who disapproves of all of us gays.

 

Do what you want with your life, but if you BB you'll get infected and put your hands on my pocket, and I don't like that

[rocky]

Once again I probably won't be the popular one. I've read everything on this post from safe sex to rimming, BB, oral, etc; and I enjoy this site for such insight so to speak. Now we as supposedly open men, would censor BB or other sexually potential unsafe issue be restricted from here, shame on us. Yes, shame on us. I know my preferences, I know when I use an escort (which I think is funny we're going to restrict those who talk of BB); I often ask here and get references of those who will provide the services I enjoy. So, I guess, "daddy" can do what he'd like, but I'd be very sad the day came that because someone spoke openly or advertised openly that we'd shut them out. Sorry, I no longer believe we have to "baby" our children.

[caliguy]

Do what you want with your life, but if you BB you'll get infected and put your hands on my pocket, and I don't like that

Couldn't the same be said about people that over eat, eat unhealthy, drink or drug too much, smoke, take too many risks, etc. Aren't they technically putting their hands on your pocket too?

[rocky]

I certainly agree with you..