Don't stiff the escort?

[Guest]

You guys seen this story? The police are speculating that the victim stiffed the murderer/escort. It's amazing that it took 3 years for an arrest, given all of the DNA all over the place. I read from another article that the perp is being held on a probation violation. Makes me wonder how many felons I've hired...

 

http://www.queerty.com/gay-porn-star-josh-logan-murder-20130809/

 

http://www.smutjunkies.com/updates/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1262819450.jpg

 

Was there a gang-bang at the police station???

http://www.queerpornnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/JetSet_Police-3147.jpg

[tyro]

Eep.

T

[Diverdan]

Glad they finally figured out who did it... although innocent until proven guilty, his record is not very "clean".... if he is guilty, it is a good thing they caught him now, before he does this again.

[down_to_business]

You guys seen this story? The police are speculating that the victim stiffed the murderer/escort. It's amazing that it took 3 years for an arrest, given all of the DNA all over the place. I read from another article that the perp is being held on a probation violation. Makes me wonder how many felons I've hired...

 

 

I know that I once googled an escort I had hired several times and came across his mug shot for armed robbery among other charges!!!

[Steven_Draker]

One of the comments on Queerty.com makes a connection between "gay-for-pay" and violence and is pointing out that

 

Denied Self Becomes Violent Self

 

"While I have definitely had my say regarding my disdain for "gay-for-pay" actors, a new news item that has been brought to my attention thanks to Men Of Color Blog, has brought forth another reason to light as why studios should stay away from these guys.

 

I have admitted to being a fan of his, even considered him as a possible scene partner knowing he was "gay-for-pay", but when I heard that Nickolay Petrov was being charge with attempted murder, I started to realize that there seems to be a trend going on here. It seems that every gay porn actor that makes the headlines because of some act of violence is a "gay-for-pay" actor. Look at the other people I can use as evidence - Marcus Allen, Mark Dalton, and one of my very own past scene partners, Double R (from what I've heard) is in trouble with the law in a way that could put him away for a long time.

 

 

 

Now, I am in no way about imply that truly gay men don't have a violent streak. But you have to wonder, does the fact that these "gay-for-pay" actors denying their true selves contribute to the violent acts there are accused of. Are they taking violence as a way to show the manhood they fear losing if they admit that they're gay ro bisexual? Or is the violence against someone else actually them using their victim(s) as a punching bag for how much they want to hit themselves for lying to themselves and the women in their lives about their sexual orientation?

 

I'm sure that is the reason for that violent streak because, I was once there myself. I admit to having a terrible temper, but before my realizing my sexual orientation and embracing it, I had a lot less control over it. In fact, I left my last job out of fear that my temper was going to get out of control, and I would become another news story of a disgruntled employee. Even though, I have a great deal to be angry with my present employers over that could put me in that same state of mind, since my sexual awakening, the thoughts to resort to a horrific degree of violence are under control. Why? Because my anger towards my former employers compounded with my anger towards myself for lying about who I really am gave me a need to release that self-inflicted inner-rage. Now, even though my present employers are assholes inept at being humane, with the anger gone due to my resolving the issue of my sexual orientation, my anger towards them is strictly towards them. And I never get angry enough towards them that it blinds me to the fact that no employer is worth me risking my life as a free member of society.

 

It has been theorized that gay-bashers attack gays out of self-loathing they feel because gays live the sex lives the gay-bashers have thought about even for a flash at one point or another, but feel guilty because of the environments the gay-bashers were raised in. And these "gay-for-pay" actors committing these acts of violence may be even worse, because compared to gay-bashers who usually attack total strangers, more of these "gay-for-pay" actors are attacking people who are a part of their life, be it business or personal. With that in mind, I believe that it is safe for me personally to theorize that their victim becomes a target when they in some way remind the "gay-for-pay" actor of his gay acts that he tries to bury because he's not on a gay porn set at that time.

 

Once again, I must address this to the studios hiring these guys, who as it seems that because of their denial of themselves are more capable of these violent acts than your already out and proud gay/bi man. Because of this potential for violence due to self-loathing, these guys are a risk to the image you should want to present. I am not saying that a truly gay/bi man is not capable of the same degree of violence, but when you are knowingly bring someone in denial of themselves into the fold, you create an almost 100% risk to creating a mentally unsafe environment for your truly gay actors. Remember my incident with Double R? These "gay-for-pay" guys bring their uneasy vibe from their self-denial with them, and since producers and directors aren't the ones topping or (even more uneasy) being a bottom with these guys, you don't know of what us actors have to mentally put ourselves through to deal with these guys. What would be even worse though would be if you didn't care.

 

At this point, I do not totally fault the porn studios for hiring these guys. There is a fascination with them as to how they call themselves straight yet fuck men. But now that I have presented this reality to myself, and passed it on to you, I hope this fascination is over for you as it is now over for me. With that being said, should this "gay-for-pay" trend continue, I will begin to hold studios responsible. These are obviously unstable people, more unstable than most, and allowing them into the fold of gay porn to deal with the demands of it will only increase their instability."

 

http://www.tresx-rayvision.com/2008/02/denied-self-becomes-violent-self.html?zx=68d64daaef0562fe

[seeker630]

One of the comments on Queerty.com makes a connection between "gay-for-pay" and violence and is pointing out that

 

Denied Self Becomes Violent Self

 

"While I have definitely had my say regarding my disdain for "gay-for-pay" actors, a new news item that has been brought to my attention thanks to Men Of Color Blog, has brought forth another reason to light as why studios should stay away from these guys.

 

I have admitted to being a fan of his, even considered him as a possible scene partner knowing he was "gay-for-pay", but when I heard that Nickolay Petrov was being charge with attempted murder, I started to realize that there seems to be a trend going on here. It seems that every gay porn actor that makes the headlines because of some act of violence is a "gay-for-pay" actor. Look at the other people I can use as evidence - Marcus Allen, Mark Dalton, and one of my very own past scene partners, Double R (from what I've heard) is in trouble with the law in a way that could put him away for a long time.

 

 

 

Now, I am in no way about imply that truly gay men don't have a violent streak. But you have to wonder, does the fact that these "gay-for-pay" actors denying their true selves contribute to the violent acts there are accused of. Are they taking violence as a way to show the manhood they fear losing if they admit that they're gay ro bisexual? Or is the violence against someone else actually them using their victim(s) as a punching bag for how much they want to hit themselves for lying to themselves and the women in their lives about their sexual orientation?

 

I'm sure that is the reason for that violent streak because, I was once there myself. I admit to having a terrible temper, but before my realizing my sexual orientation and embracing it, I had a lot less control over it. In fact, I left my last job out of fear that my temper was going to get out of control, and I would become another news story of a disgruntled employee. Even though, I have a great deal to be angry with my present employers over that could put me in that same state of mind, since my sexual awakening, the thoughts to resort to a horrific degree of violence are under control. Why? Because my anger towards my former employers compounded with my anger towards myself for lying about who I really am gave me a need to release that self-inflicted inner-rage. Now, even though my present employers are assholes inept at being humane, with the anger gone due to my resolving the issue of my sexual orientation, my anger towards them is strictly towards them. And I never get angry enough towards them that it blinds me to the fact that no employer is worth me risking my life as a free member of society.

 

It has been theorized that gay-bashers attack gays out of self-loathing they feel because gays live the sex lives the gay-bashers have thought about even for a flash at one point or another, but feel guilty because of the environments the gay-bashers were raised in. And these "gay-for-pay" actors committing these acts of violence may be even worse, because compared to gay-bashers who usually attack total strangers, more of these "gay-for-pay" actors are attacking people who are a part of their life, be it business or personal. With that in mind, I believe that it is safe for me personally to theorize that their victim becomes a target when they in some way remind the "gay-for-pay" actor of his gay acts that he tries to bury because he's not on a gay porn set at that time.

 

Once again, I must address this to the studios hiring these guys, who as it seems that because of their denial of themselves are more capable of these violent acts than your already out and proud gay/bi man. Because of this potential for violence due to self-loathing, these guys are a risk to the image you should want to present. I am not saying that a truly gay/bi man is not capable of the same degree of violence, but when you are knowingly bring someone in denial of themselves into the fold, you create an almost 100% risk to creating a mentally unsafe environment for your truly gay actors. Remember my incident with Double R? These "gay-for-pay" guys bring their uneasy vibe from their self-denial with them, and since producers and directors aren't the ones topping or (even more uneasy) being a bottom with these guys, you don't know of what us actors have to mentally put ourselves through to deal with these guys. What would be even worse though would be if you didn't care.

 

At this point, I do not totally fault the porn studios for hiring these guys. There is a fascination with them as to how they call themselves straight yet fuck men. But now that I have presented this reality to myself, and passed it on to you, I hope this fascination is over for you as it is now over for me. With that being said, should this "gay-for-pay" trend continue, I will begin to hold studios responsible. These are obviously unstable people, more unstable than most, and allowing them into the fold of gay porn to deal with the demands of it will only increase their instability."

 

http://www.tresx-rayvision.com/2008/02/denied-self-becomes-violent-self.html?zx=68d64daaef0562fe

 

It's an interesting theory but there are some weak spots in his argument. I'm not sure there is a 'trend' that 'that every gay porn actor that makes the headlines because of some act of violence is a "gay-for-pay" actor.' Philip Aubrey & his partner made headlines because of domestic violence.

 

I also balk at the statement 'when you are knowingly bring someone in denial of themselves into the fold, you create an almost 100% risk to creating a mentally unsafe environment for your truly gay actors.' What percent of porn actors are involved in violence? We only hear about isolated instances. And there are straight & bi-sexual actors in relationships with women, who seem comfortable with with their work & situation.

[corndog]

I don't think the author is trying to claim that there is a 100% correlation between gay-for-pay and violent behavior, just somewhat of a pattern.

 

When looking a the original crime, it seems entirely possible that the two of them had a hookup, perhaps a really hot and pleasant one, even for the perp. At the end, as he was dealing with the fact he had a really good time, perhaps he needed to be paid so that he could convince himself that he did it "just for the money," and not face the fact that he was really into men. Without that rationalization, his repressed sexuality was brought to the surface, and he became unhinged.

 

This, of course, is just a wild guess about what might have happened. We don't know.

[actor61]

Having made my living in musical theatre for 40 years, the fact that this guy took the name Joshua Logan absolutely fascinates me. Joshua Logan directed "South Pacific" both on Broadway and on film. He directed Monroe in "Bus Stop". Maybe he didn't kill the guy because he was stiffed. Maybe he killed him because he was a theatre queen and when the client played the soundtrack from Logan's dreadful movie version of "Camelot", he finally snapped completely.

[BaronArtz]

Well, at least the didn't cut the victim's cock off, like that nutcase Portugese 'model' did to one of his Johns in New York a few years back ...

 

I would take a wild guess and say that the reason many of these unstable guys 'snap' and go violent on their Johns is that they are pressured to get in some scenes that are waaaaaay too kinky for them, they can't handle it, suddenly they realize what they are about to do and SNAP.

[EZEtoGRU]

I would say that, for the most part, I do not buy the theory from the author that was quoted. His theory assumes the majority of "gay-for-pay" guys are secretly gay. I do not think that is the case. Therefore, for me, his theory falls apart. I spend lots of time with "gay-for-pay" guys in most cities. Just was in Montreal again last week. Met lots of the dancers girlfriends on ladies night. I also meet the dancer's girlfriends in Miami.

 

Most of the guys I choose to come into contact with are G4P and truly are str8. Sure there will be a percentage of the supposed G4P guys that are privately gay or bi, but most really are str8 in my experience. Having said this, I think that there probably is some small correlation between G4P guys and a higher percentage of violence versus gay men. I think it has more to do with putting themselves in a situation where they have gay sex or extensive intimate gay contact rather than self-loathing due to being secretly attracted to men. Just my opinion of course.

[Rod Hagen]

Makes me wonder how many felons I've hired...

 

Really? A few escorts out of thousands have committed felonies, therefore there's reason to suggest that other's you've hired may be as well?

 

Gee, that Egyptian doctor out in the valley killed his patient, makes me wonder how many felony doctors have hired me.

 

Gee, a banker in Irvine defrauded a family, wonder how many felony bankers I've used.

 

There's absolutely no reason to presume that escorts are malicious criminals at any higher rate than any other professional group. Speculating otherwise simply reveals a bias against our profession.

[k9lover]

Really? A few escorts out of thousands have committed felonies, therefore there's reason to suggest that other's you've hired may be as well?

 

Gee, that Egyptian doctor out in the valley killed his patient, makes me wonder how many felony doctors have hired me.

 

Gee, a banker in Irvine defrauded a family, wonder how many felony bankers I've used.

 

There's absolutely no reason to presume that escorts are malicious criminals at any higher rate than any other professional group. Speculating otherwise simply reveals a bias against our profession.

 

I agree with you, there are rotten apples in all professions, personally all the escorts I've met made my life better and gave me great advice whenever I asked them.

99% of escorts are wonderful people.

[Guest]

Really? A few escorts out of thousands have committed felonies, therefore there's reason to suggest that other's you've hired may be as well?

 

Well, maybe the story hits close to home, but I came close to hiring an escort that I soon later learned was arrested and later convicted of murdering one of his clients (the escort/murderer being Harlow Cuadra)

http://www.mambaonline.com/images/headlines/cuadra_harlow_march09.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tcdoYdJymNk/Sbvg28eaLdI/AAAAAAAAAQk/jY6010vGp8c/S254/harlowfront.jpg

 

But I have been reading a lot about escorts murdering their clients lately. Who can forget the escort/murderer Renato Seabra, who also chopped off and wore his victim's genitals? (Also hits a bit close to home, because I stayed at the same hotel where the murder took place--not on the same day, though).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ci2g9JtrQR4/To40ohYslcI/AAAAAAAACMo/T89uB_QEQJI/s400/Renato%2BSeabra.jpg http://media.komonews.com/images/110201_renato_seabra.jpg

 

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/cas.jpg

 

Sure, most escorts are nice people. But felons can have a tough time finding a good-paying job. The job might be tempting for a certain type of felon. It won't stop me from hiring. But when one is naked in the shower in the same room as a beefed-up 28 year-old, there is that worry in the back of one's mind...

[+ purplekow]

I always leave a little note with my itinery and any guests who may be attending should things go wrong. i have on a few occasions made a quick phone call (to my answering machine) while in the presence of an escort in which I simply say "i am here, I will meet you in ....(length of appointment)" These were with new hires and after a particularly rough encounter in Las Vegas where things got a bit dicey. Similarly, in my home, if there is a knock at my door and i do not know the person, I hold my phone to my ear and say "Hold on a minute there is a (brief description of person) at my dooe and then I hold my phone while I discover what has brought a stranger to my door. A bit of paranoia but every time I here of a push in robbery I think, paranoia or small price for some extra insurance.

[Rod Hagen]

People in all professions commit vicious crimes; you could just as easily post a roster of guilty plumbers. Like the press, you're fixating on the juicier escort crimes, perhaps for the reason you stated (showers-(Hitchock associations?)) or, more likely, you suspect escorts of wrong doing more than you do others.

[Phil_musc]

Really? A few escorts out of thousands have committed felonies, therefore there's reason to suggest that other's you've hired may be as well?

 

Gee, that Egyptian doctor out in the valley killed his patient, makes me wonder how many felony doctors have hired me.

 

Gee, a banker in Irvine defrauded a family, wonder how many felony bankers I've used.

 

There's absolutely no reason to presume that escorts are malicious criminals at any higher rate than any other professional group. Speculating otherwise simply reveals a bias against our profession.

 

So are you advocating for a new emerging raised consciousness about speaking politically incorrect when it comes to escorts?

 

[+ purplekow]

People in all professions commit vicious crimes; you could just as easily post a roster of guilty plumbers. Like the press, you're fixating on the juicier escort crimes, perhaps for the reason you stated (showers-(Hitchock associations?)) or, more likely, you suspect escorts of wrong doing more than you do others.

Plumbers and escorts are not really alike. One group comes to your home, charges extravagant prices and usually fails to do the job completely and then there are escorts.

if ir matters, i do not leave my wallet lying around when a plumber comes into my house, nor do I leave it on the patio table when the landscapers are about nor do i leave it anywhere it can be found when my freeloading brother in law passes through. One can avoid bigger problems by anticipating what the problems may be and doing things to prevent them.

[Rod Hagen]

Plumbers and escorts are not really alike. One group comes to your home, charges extravagant prices and usually fails to do the job completely and then there are escorts.

That was funny :-)

[bostonman]

Plumbers and escorts are not really alike. One group comes to your home, charges extravagant prices and usually fails to do the job completely and then there are escorts.

 

A favorite lyric from "That's Him" - from the musical One Touch Of Venus, music by Kurt Weill, lyrics by Ogden Nash (originally sung by a young Mary Martin in the role of Venus, after she's bedded the mortal she's fallen in love with):

 

 

"He is as simple as a swim in summer,

Not arty, not actor-y.

He's like a plumber when you need a plumber -

He's satisfactory."