Escorts that could be described as 'Troubled'

[Tonyko]

We ALL have a touch of Florence Nightingale syndrome when it comes to these troubled guys, particularly if they're cute and hot etc. I went a step FURTHER I took one IN. When I was living in LA I was Bi (coastal all thru my 30's. I'd been seeing him as an off the books scort for several years. (by off the books I mean he didn't advertise at all he was a P Trainer and I got hin from a bud, he was really only a part time scort only saw a few ppl he mostly worked at a nice gym in Bev Hills) He was a super nice str8 guy with an amazing muscle bod close to my age, on the short side, lived w a nice GF I'd seen them out on Sunset Bl at brunch once etc all around nice guy. They split, and he asked if it was OK to keep some boxes in my garage until he found a new place. I had a 2car with only one car in it there was lots of room so I said sure. He'd always call first to ask if he could come and get something from his stuff it was never a prob. One sweltering day he stopped by for clothes or something on his way to work (he always worked) Said he was close to getting his own place no more roomies or GF's apts etc wanted his OWN space, which I totally got) I OFFERED him a shower, I had a guest rm with it's own bath. He gratefully accepted. (THAT was the start, but HE never asked for anything money/co sign a lease etc NOTHING it was ALL my offering) The next time he stopped by I made the fatal mistake of asking exactly WHERE he was living. (it's like watching that abused dogs commercial that kills you inside) It sounded gawd awful, he was on the COUCH in a ONE BR apt of some very elderly guy from the gym who was there for Pt Rehab etc ugh. So I said since he was so close to getting his own place having the dep $$ saved etc, why not stay in my guestroom? He was SO grateful he hugged me thanked me profusely asked sev times if I was "sure" he didn't wanna be a bother etc etc etc. He was THE healthiest guy I knew obvs no drugs didn't even drink so I had NO worries in taking him in.

WELL I got an education. It started when I was out of TP and looked under the guest bath sink. There I fould a black toiletry bag partially open with what looked like a pen wrapped in plastic, but it wss a SYRINGE. I was so innocent I thought is he diabetic??

I asked him that night and to his credit he confessed he shot steroids. He SUPER played it down and I knew LITTLE of ROIDS really, it wasn't like today. He almost made it sound no more harmless than vitimin shots, there were diff kinds but he didn't do the harmfull kind etc. And I bought it. HE was so nice and so healthy it couldn't be that bad etc I thought!

ROID RAGE. Never heard of it and certainly never saw someone in the throes of it. It was ONE WEEK later, I was sitting at my computer and he stormed in yelling incoherantly about Gatorade or something in the fridge and next thing I knew I was smacked in the back on the head so hard my face almost went into the screen.

We got into a physical FIGHT. (I attached his pic only so you can see the mass on this guy his ASS could break a 2X4) Luckily I have done MMA since my teens (still do, White collar Mma and the outcome was me with a badly cut lip but HIM with a bloody nose and swelling-eye.

He sat on the floor and CRIED and apologized over and over and I accepted it and the minute he was out of the room I did my online resesrch that I SHOULD have done the week before!

I said I would help him get off these roids etc and he said he wanted to etc etc but he needed help etc. I said I was there for him. That's what I "said". What I DID was the minute he left for work the next day I packed EVERYTHING in his room into his duffle bag and knapsack and pushed EVERY one of his boxes out of the garage onto the side of the top of the drieway with his other things and locked the couryard gate which was always open and left a note saying: you need to find another place to stay. I changed the lock to the one door he had a key to within 2 hrs of that.

I went out but kept doing drive bys until I saw "some" of his stuff had been taken. There was a note that said "I understand will take me few trips to get the rest" etc.

When It was down to TWO boxes I decided to go home. There was another note: It read;

THESE THINGS YOU CAN JUST TOSS, LIKE YOU DID ME, THANK YOU AND FUCK YOU. I THOUGHT YOU WERE MY FRIEND.

I feel like I dodged a big bullet and DEF made the right decision.

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[robberbaron4u]

Tell me about it! I had a long association with an escort who was a grab bag of personality disorders. When he first came to me, given that he was "red hot", I said to myself, "Somethin' is wrong here as no one has taken an exclusive on him." And, of course, my assessment was correct; any number of gentlemen of means had him, and, sensing his depravity, had summarily dispensed with him. Nonethless, he was a walkin' streak of sex, a whirlpool of sensuousness in which one could easily drown, indeed, he boy could and did deliver a pint of the sweet, heavy cream on demand, it afforded pleasure merely to contemplate him in his physical beauty, and, although it was an effort to tolerate him beyond the bedroom, I continued with him for some twenty years. Finally, his addiction to "kiddie porn" caught up with him in a national sting, and he was the guest of Uncle Sam in the Big House for three years. Upon the completion of his imprisonment, he turned up on my doorstep. I had him "detailed" to perfection and secured employment for him at Ft. Lauderdale; although I no longer saw him on a regular basis, he became my "seasonal" date at Palm Beach. The date finally came, however, when I took a close look at him and pronounced "Enough! I do not have a license to practice as a social work or psychologist" and sent him on his way. I have not seen him in some six years, and, in my honesty, I have not missed having his company.

[Rudynate]

 

'Roid rage is largely a myth. I certainly can believe that he had a rage problem but it was unlikely that it was caused by the steroids.

[Lookin]

Somethin' tells me an equally robust thread could be started on "Troubled Clients".

 

Good looks, in the case of escorts, or lots of money, in the case of clients, seems to me like a pretty sketchy basis for sharing living quarters. Even when you invite a long-term friend into your home, or agree to share his, there are plenty of rocky shoals to navigate.

 

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In my opinion, making such a commitment to someone out of desperation, his or yours, is a recipe for misfortune. Far better, I think, to invest in a nice little cabin in the woods with occasional visitation rights and a termite infestation that will bring it down within a year. http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

 

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[bigvalboy]

Somethin' tells me an equally robust thread could be started on "Troubled Clients".

 

Good looks, in the case of escorts, or lots of money, in the case of clients, seems to me like a pretty sketchy basis for sharing living quarters. Even when you invite a long-term friend into your home, or agree to share his, there are plenty of rocky shoals to navigate.

 

http://resource.news.mn/world/photo/2010/8/9ae3adea86c97525/08bd070df4f8de3cbig.jpg

 

In my opinion, making such a commitment to someone out of desperation, his or yours, is a recipe for misfortune. Far better, I think, to invest in a nice little cabin in the woods with occasional visitation rights and a termite infestation that will bring it down within a year. http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

 

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...and with all due respect, the client did lie, made promises he never intended to keep, and in a matter of speaking threw him out like yesterdays garbage. This is a human being were talking about. He might have felt justified, because of the altercation, perhaps even threatened, but I can't help but think if perhaps there wasn't another alternative. http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif

[Tonyko]

'Roid rage is largely a myth. I certainly can believe that he had a rage problem but it was unlikely that it was caused by the steroids.

Really??? IDK about that, for years pretty reliable scientific sources have said there IS a link tween anlblc roids and inappropiate agression etc. And on a REAL basic note ANYTHING that changes the body so much MUST affect the mind too I think. (Ive seen it in my own MOTHER lol when she was on steroids after surgery) I am NOT saying EVERY GUY who uses will rage, BUT I DO think if "seemingly" normal guys suddenly rage AND they also happen to use, the "use" is connected. The only guys who I know who claim it's ALL BS are guys who roid up themselves. THIS CBS thing is already old but I think accurate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/facts-and-myths-about-roid-rage/

[Rudynate]

Really??? IDK about that, for years pretty reliable scientific sources have said there IS a link tween anlblc roids and inappropiate agression etc. And on a REAL basic note ANYTHING that changes the body so much MUST affect the mind too I think. (Ive seen it in my own MOTHER lol when she was on steroids after surgery) I am NOT saying EVERY GUY who uses will rage, BUT I DO think if "seemingly" normal guys suddenly rage AND they also happen to use, the "use" is connected. The only guys who I know who claim it's ALL BS are guys who roid up themselves. THIS CBS thing is already old but I think accurate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/facts-and-myths-about-roid-rage/

 

 

Here's something a little more current:

 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2014/08/30/myth-roid-rage/#.Va1S1flVjrw

[down_to_business]

Many escorts I have met are troubled, but aren't we all in some form or another. Some troubled escorts are great guys. Some troubled escorts are real a**holes.

 

I find the better I get to know individual escorts the more troubled I learn they are. Sometimes it affects my ability to hire them in the future. Sometimes it brings us closer.

[Rudynate]

Many escorts I have met are troubled, but aren't we all in some form or another. Some troubled escorts are great guys. Some troubled escorts are real a**holes.

 

I find the better I get to know individual escorts the more troubled I learn they are. Sometimes it affects my ability to hire them in the future. Sometimes it brings us closer.

 

Sure, but there's troubled, meaning day-to-day quirks and neuroses and TROUBLED, meaning major dysfunction and downright looney. To be fair, I'm sure any experienced escort has his share of nutty client stories. I don't see anything wrong with a nutty escorts thread.

[Tonyko]

Here's something a little more current:

 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2014/08/30/myth-roid-rage/#.Va1S1flVjrw

I read that, and I've read others (several it turns out were on sites belonging to SELLERS and makers of Steroids, but there IS a diff re these studies re testing with levels that a man would take who has lowT, and the super high enhancing levels that abusers who want to grow mass would take, and sites claiming there is no such thing, rarely get too specific re HOW they tested. All I know is the MANY female to male TG's I know ALL said their agression levels have gone WAY up since their transitions and T therapy. The guys I know, besides getting those now telltale shoulder zits, all said they can't cum more than a thimble full since starting lol.

[Rudynate]

I read that, and I've read others (several it turns out were on sites belonging to SELLERS and makers of Steroids, but there IS a diff re these studies re testing with levels that a man would take who has lowT, and the super high enhancing levels that abusers who want to grow mass would take, and sites claiming there is no such thing, rarely get too specific re HOW they tested. All I know is the MANY female to male TG's I know ALL said their agression levels have gone WAY up since their transitions and T therapy. The guys I know, besides getting those now telltale shoulder zits, all said they can't cum more than a thimble full since starting lol.

 

 

Here's another one:

 

Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2010 Jun;57(1):117-23. doi: 10.1016/j.yrtph.2010.02.001. Epub 2010 Feb 12.

Adverse health effects of anabolic-androgenic steroids.

van Amsterdam J1, Opperhuizen A, Hartgens F.

Author information

 

Abstract

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are synthetic drugs derived from testosterone. Illegally, these drugs are regularly self-administered by body builders and power lifters to enhance their sportive performance. Adverse side effects of AAS include sexual dysfunction, alterations of the cardiovascular system, psyche and behavior, and liver toxicity. However, severe side effects appear only following prolonged use of AAS at high dose and their occurrence is limited. Occasionally, AAS abuse may be linked to certain social and psychological traits of the user, like low self-esteem, low self-confidence, suffered hostility, childhood conduct disorder, and tendency to high-risk behavior. The overwhelming stereotype about AAS is that these compounds cause aggressive behavior in males. However, the underlying personality traits of a specific subgroup of the AAS abusers, who show aggression and hostility, may be relevant, as well. Use of AAS in combination with alcohol largely increases the risk of violence and aggression. The dependence liability of AAS is very low, and withdrawal effects are relatively mild. Based on the scores for acute and chronic adverse health effects, the prevalence of use, social harm and criminality, AAS were ranked among 19 illicit drugs as a group of drugs with a relatively low harm.

 

© 2010 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

 

PMID:

 

20153798

 

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Tonyko]

Here's another one:

MEDLINE]

 

I am always intrigued by the strategic use of the word "may" lol. All I will say is that litany of negatives, AND the last sentence of this quote, seem bizarre in their dichotomy. At least were it MY health that was in question. My buds who take them all defend them in this same way. But hey we're big boys we make our own choices. Nuff said.

[Rudynate]

I am always intrigued by the strategic use of the word "may".

 

All inclusive statements are suspect, including this one.

[Tonyko]

All inclusive statements are suspect, including this one.

And that as well

[+ ArVaGuy]

Somethin' tells me an equally robust thread could be started on "Troubled Clients".

 

I would absolutely love to hear some "Troubled Clients" stories from the escorts on this board. All in the interest of fairness.

[Tonyko]

...and with all due respect, the client did lie, made promises he never intended to keep, and in a matter of speaking threw him out like yesterdays garbage. This is a human being were talking about. He might have felt justified, because of the altercation, perhaps even threatened, but I can't help but think if perhaps there wasn't another alternative. http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif

Yes, I made promises to get him quietly back in his room for the night and locked my bedroom door and got rid of him w/o any further BLOODSHED. And I still think I did the right thingo_O AND had the 2nd note been an apology (or anything other than an FU note) I prolly WOULD have folowed thru with any help needed. (from OUTSIDE my home :-)

[+ Gar1eth]

...and with all due respect, the client did lie, made promises he never intended to keep, and in a matter of speaking threw him out like yesterdays garbage. This is a human being were talking about. He might have felt justified, because of the altercation, perhaps even threatened, but I can't help but think if perhaps there wasn't another alternative. http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif

 

BVB-with all due respect Tonyko was attacked. If Tony hadn't been in excellent shape and had knowledge of MMA techniques, who knows what might have happened? And if he had allowed the guy back-what might he have done the next time? In abusive relationships often the second time, third, and continual times occur because the abusee takes the abuser's word as fact that it will never happen again. I think Tonyko had a right to do whatever he needed to protect himself.

 

Gman

[Lookin]

I would absolutely love to hear some "Troubled Clients" stories from the escorts on this board. All in the interest of fairness.

 

Me too, so long as they're not all featuring yours truly . . . . http://orig12.deviantart.net/e6d9/f/2012/042/9/8/throw_your_poop_by_mirz_alt-d4oh1ff.gif

[bigvalboy]

BVB-with all due respect Tonyko was attacked. ..... I think Tonyko had a right to do whatever he needed to protect himself.

 

Gman

 

I understand your point, but I still would have done things differently.

[Tonyko]

I understand your point, but I still would have done things differently.

And I accept that. We're all diff and we all react differently. (except how we'd react to Brad Pitt or Bradley Cooper) And PULEESE no one write how they don't not find them hot lol:eek: Then I wouldn't NEED any ROIDS to kick some ass here. :mad:

[bigvalboy]

And I accept that. We're all diff and we all react differently. (except how we'd react to Brad Pitt or Bradley Cooper) And PULEESE no one write how they don't not find them hot lol:eek: Then I wouldn't NEED any ROIDS to kick some ass here. :mad:

 

 

Nope...don't find Brad or Bradly hot at all...Uhhh not in the least. sorry.

 

http://nappyheadedblackgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/no.gif

 

;)

[Rudynate]

I would absolutely love to hear some "Troubled Clients" stories from the escorts on this board. All in the interest of fairness.

 

I'm reminded of what Roger Sterling said about clients in Mad Men, "This would be a great business if it weren't for the clients." I say it about my clients all the time.

[+ Gar1eth]

And I accept that. We're all diff and we all react differently. (except how we'd react to Brad Pitt or Bradley Cooper) And PULEESE no one write how they don't not find them hot lol:eek: Then I wouldn't NEED any ROIDS to kick some ass here. :mad:

 

 

While they aren't my very favorites, I like them. And I'd definitely show them some Texas hospitality if they dropped by.

 

Gman

[tyro]

Gman, you and that "Texas hospitality..."

T

[+ quoththeraven]

I'm reminded of what Roger Sterling said about clients in Mad Men, "This would be a great business if it weren't for the clients." I say it about my clients all the time.

 

Or something a DC-based lawyer well-known in my area of specialty once said: "The client is your worst enemy."

 

For the non-lawyers out there, he was referring to corporate/business clients who didn't understand the law, would never bother to try to understand the law, thought they'd handed off legal liability to the businesses they contracted with to administer employee benefits (not so; explaining that was always a fun part of the job), consulted the lawyers too late or at the last minute with ridiculous deadlines, had an unfortunate tendency to fuck things up and need expensive bailing out in terms of both liability and legal fees, and then complained about the fees.

 

Sorry, not terribly relevant to escorting, but I needed to vent.