Fly-In/Touring Ethical Question

[ErieBear]

Based on the fly-in and touring questions that have recently been posted, this question has arisen in my mind.

 

If you hire an escort to come in and you fly him to your home city (let's say a mid-size city like Pittsburgh or Cleveland), and he decides to stay on for an extra 3-4 days in order to accommodate other clients, who should pay the travel costs?

 

Normally, if it was just a fly-in, it would be the client. However, as he's also seeing a bunch of other clients, why should the primary client pay for the travel for everyone else?

 

What do you all think?

[bigvalboy]

Well you will get many opinions here, but my initial thought is that if you decide to fly an escort in, that should be on your dime, and what he does after that is his business. If I flew someone into FTL and then a few days later I saw that he was escorting in town, my feelings would be 'good for him' I hope that he has a successful trip. I don't begrudge escorts for trying to make money or take advantage of a business opportunity.

 

Now there are many 'what if' scenarios, but based purely on what you are saying Erie I think that you should pay travel costs, since it was your idea for him to come to you. If he is able to make additional income, I don't think the parameters of your original offer should change, and even if you tried, I would think it would be extremely awkward trying to renegotiate the money end of things. That's probably not what you wanted to hear, but I think that is the most fair for everyone.

[seeker630]

Well you will get many opinions here, but my initial thought is that if you decide to fly an escort in, that should be on your dime, and what he does after that is his business. If I flew someone into FTL and then a few days later I saw that he was escorting in town, my feelings would be 'good for him' I hope that he has a successful trip. I don't begrudge escorts for trying to make money or take advantage of a business opportunity.

 

Now there are many 'what if' scenarios, but based purely on what you are saying Erie I think that you should pay travel costs, since it was your idea for him to come to you. If he is able to make additional income, I don't think the parameters of your original offer should change, and even if you tried, I would think it would be extremely awkward trying to renegotiate the money end of things. That's probably not what you wanted to hear, but I think that is the most fair for everyone.

 

My thoughts too! When I traveled on business, if it was to an interesting city, I often stayed a few days extra (using vacation days and paying for all the expenses). it didn't cost the company anything extra.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Based on the fly-in and touring questions that have recently been posted, this question has arisen in my mind.

 

If you hire an escort to come in and you fly him to your home city (let's say a mid-size city like Pittsburgh or Cleveland), and he decides to stay on for an extra 3-4 days in order to accommodate other clients, who should pay the travel costs?

 

Normally, if it was just a fly-in, it would be the client. However, as he's also seeing a bunch of other clients, why should the primary client pay for the travel for everyone else?

 

What do you all think?

 

You pay the travel to get him to and from you. When he decides to leave is up to him. If it's the day after you see each or a month later, it shouldn't make any difference. In fact, if he stays a couple of days afterwards, why not try to set a second appointment up so you don't have to pay travel costs? You can do a shorter period of time then instead of an overnight, which is usually the requirement for a session requiring significant travel.

[Juan Vancouver]

Personally I don't think there is much room for discussion about this subject. I live quite far from most large cities. When I am flown in to visit a client I will often try to book something before or after the session. Sometimes I work, sometimes it is just R&R. I am not interested in flying across the country back and forth in one day for an overnight just to appease my client's sense of fairness.

 

I am so over the days of flying from Vancouver to Cairo in one instalment to meet a client upon landing. Believe me, nobody wants a tired and jetlagged hooker. One always tried to do the best out of it but it's not very efficient.

 

However I have to say that I always let my client know about my plans and I do ask whether he has anything to say about them. Nobody has ever complained and everyone understands.

 

If you want me to fly to me you will cover the whole expense of my airfare. What I do before and after I meet you is entirely unrelated to you. While I am with you I will be focused, relaxed, rested, fresh and ready to go. And to me that is all that matters.

[Businessguy]

Another Option

 

I asked a well-known escort to join me in another city for an overnight while I was there on business. I was prepared to pay for his travel. The escort offered to pay his own travel if I was OK with him arriving a couple of days early and possibly staying a few days longer so he could see other clients. He explained that he had wanted to travel to this city but had not yet had the opportunity. He said he would advertise his travel plans and that at the moment, he did not have anyone else specific he was going to see. I thought this was a great deal for me that he was willing to take the risk of the travel expense. He was a very popular guy (since retired) so I'm sure he had no trouble filling out his schedule. It also reduced the risk for me that he would not show because before I departed, I could tell from postings that he was already there.

Maybe this is an option for other working guys when they get a travel offer. Of course it depends on the location and specific client. But it worked for him and he told me he was happy with the results. I had a fabulous time so all worked out well for everyone.

[Guest countryboywny]

I agree with everyone, if you're bringing a guy in for an appointment then you are responsible for his airfare, hotel, meals etc. If he decides to change his itinerary, then the associated costs of doing that is on him.

[Epigonos]

To the best of my recollection I have only flown one escort to visit me and even then we met in a third city. Being retired, I as a rule prefer to fly to the escort and spend some time site seeing before and or after we meet. However, even if this were not the case as far as I’m concerned this is a nonissue. Let’s suppose that I do fly an escort to visit me for a certain period of time. What he does before or after he meets me is really none of my business. I don’t see that my purchasing his ticket to visit me gives me any say over what he does with HIS time before or after our get together.

[+ AceBanner]

Sometimes, it is in your best interest to let him stay over some. Most of the time, airfare is significantly cheaper if the return happens after a Saturday night stay. For instance, you could save several hundred dollars on a ticket if you wanted to see a guy during a weekday, but he wanted to fly home on a Sunday. Each party is rewarded then.

(Note: Southwest does not follow this pricing pattern, but the legacy airlines do)

[down_to_business]

I agree with the responses to a point. If I invite the escort to come see me, I expect to purchase his airline ticket in advance at my cost. What he does before and after our visit is his own business. However, if he decides he wants to stay extra days after we agreed upon his itinerary and I purchased his ticket in advance non-changeable and non-refundable as is my policy- I would NOT agree to change his ticket at my expense (usually upwards of $200 a change) just so he can stay later and see other clients (or for any other reason of his choosing). I would not have any objection to his extending his stay at his own expense, nor would I find it necessary for him to tell me of his plans after our agreed upon time was over. If he simply asked me to purchase his return ticket (for example) 3 days after our appointment was over at the time of our original agreement, then I absolutely would have no problem purchasing the ticket with the dates he requested and without any demands for an explanation of what he was going to do.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

I have traveled to other cities and flown in an escort to meet me there, paying for his travel expenses. I have subsequently seen the guy I'm meeting advertise as traveling to those cities, sometimes with extra days on either side of our appointment. As long as our time together is not impacted by his other plans, I have no problems with him taking advantage of the opportunity.

[Decatur Guy]

I've never paid for a fly-in. But like the others, I'd have no problem if he saw other clients before or after my appointment as long as it didn't impact mine.

 

But if I have enough money to fly in an escort and put him up in a hotel, then I'm going to fly to his city, put my country ass up in a hotel and enjoy a vacation!

 

The most I've done in this regard is promise a multihour appointment to a touring escort so he knew he had enough business to cover the trip out.

[seeker630]

I've never paid for a fly-in. But like the others, I'd have no problem if he saw other clients before or after my appointment as long as it didn't impact mine.

 

But if I have enough money to fly in an escort and put him up in a hotel, then I'm going to fly to his city, put my country ass up in a hotel and enjoy a vacation!

 

The most I've done in this regard is promise a multihour appointment to a touring escort so he knew he had enough business to cover the trip out.

 

I like the way you think!

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

But if I have enough money to fly in an escort and put him up in a hotel, then I'm going to fly to his city, put my country ass up in a hotel and enjoy a vacation!

 

Agreed that this is the way to go. When I've brought someone to me, it is because of a special event here at home that I wanted to attend that I knew the particular escort would also enjoy and with an escort I was comfortable having in my home for a couple of days.