need to vent about "mainstream" BB porn sites

[shadowcatzxxx]

I am really pissed that not just one, or two, but three of the porn sites stocked with the perfect men for my taste (oh ... if I only COULD taste them) have, over the last couple of years, gone all bareback, all the time.

 

That's a problem for me because I refuse to help subsidize that kind of behavior, which I find reckless - almost sociopathic - in its subtle message to viewers that BB is OK ... somehow ... if you get tested (how often?) and everybody you have sex with gets tested (how often? what techniques?) and never has sex with anyone who isn't tested (how enforced?)... or whatever rationalization(s) they use.

 

I'm not talking to the always-been-bareback sites like Tim's Tales ... whose guys almost never appeal to me anyway. I'm referring to Sean Cody, Corbin Fisher, and Bel Ami ... which among them, showcase some of the most beautiful men on the planet (again, to my tastes). Some of the recent newbies, from the trailers, are over-the-top, almost beyond belief gorgeous/sexy/hot.

 

I'm just praying that other sites with at least some men I find hot (Randy Blue, Cocky Boys, Men at Play) decide to stick with safe sex.

 

Sigh.

 

Does anyone else find themselves in this situation?

[corndog]

I agree completely.

 

I try not to judge individuals for choosing to bareback. (although, in reality, I do.)

 

But, for porn companies, I think it is reprehensible for two reasons:

 

1. It defines bareback sex as "normal" and "hot" for all those who watch it.

 

2. It risks the lives of the actors/models who participate. A valid argument can be made that these guys make their own choices and have their own free will. That is true, but that argument is a cop out. The balance of power undoubtedly remains with the porn producers, and whether it is for economic reasons or other, more complicated motivations, porn performers are ripe to be taken advantage of.

[smendez1942]

I agree completely.

 

I try not to judge individuals for choosing to bareback. (although, in reality, I do.)

 

But, for porn companies, I think it is reprehensible for two reasons:

 

1. It defines bareback sex as "normal" and "hot" for all those who watch it.

 

2. It risks the lives of the actors/models who participate. A valid argument can be made that these guys make their own choices and have their own free will. That is true, but that argument is a cop out. The balance of power undoubtedly remains with the porn producers, and whether it is for economic reasons or other, more complicated motivations, porn performers are ripe to be taken advantage of.

 

I agree with a lot of what you're saying and find barebacking and those who do it as sex workers to be questionable (at least)

 

Guys who do porn make their own decisions, whether they're complete idiots or not, so I don't buy into the 'big bad wolf' of porn producers coaxing these poor little lambs into going bareback. They do it stupidly for the money, of their own free will. There are many escorts here who have done bareback porn, the major reason why I'd never hire them. Not only is is dangerous to promote that kind of thing, but it's utterly void of common sense to attempt to justify it as so many do

[BallerBoy]

I disagree totally...

 

Those traditional bareback porn companies don't appeal to myself and many others. Sean Cody is one of the first sites I've seen that has masculine looking beautiful men having natural sex without condoms. I personally see nothing wrong with that. I practice safe sex always, but when viewing porn, I like to get tantalized with fantasy and visually candy. Sean Cody gives me what I need so I don't have the urge to try it in real life.....(now if they can only hire some beautiful Black men)

[corndog]

Guys who do porn make their own decisions, whether they're complete idiots or not, so I don't buy into the 'big bad wolf' of porn producers coaxing these poor little lambs into going bareback. They do it stupidly for the money, of their own free will.

I agree with you to a point. The guys who choose to do bareback porn are ultimately responsible for their decision. But, I also believe that some of the porn producers are vultures who are preying on guys who are down on their luck, or chemically predisposed to make bad decisions. The porn producers may not be pulling the trigger, but they are providing the pistol.

[+ Gar1eth]

A lot of these guys on Sean Cody and the other sites are young. It might be fairly easy to convince them to bareback-C'mon guy- see how all the others are doing it- they love it and they are healthy. That coupled with the youthful feeling of invincibility and lots of money- could convince many to bareback when if they were older and more experienced they wouldn't. Personally I consider it preying on these young guys in many cases. In many respects it's only a step up- and not a far one-from trolling for underage guys. I think it's a disgusting practice.

 

Gman

[shadowcatzxxx]

I agree withGar1 ...

part of the reason it upsets me is that I see these guys - stereotypically (almost ridiculously) good-looking, hung, and full of cum - doing things that could tragically reshape their lives. (Note the video in a different current thread here about bareback sex and seroconverting. Yes, the video is scripted, and its ending as stereotypically sad as the SC videos are stereotypically clueless. But it is real.

 

Just thinking of those gorgeous, sweet guys being encouraged to act irresponsibly, and then (one presumes) also having sex outside the studio, one presumes, for some of them, also with women ... and the scene begins to look pathological.

 

so ... free country, I guess. I just won't support it with my $$$.

[+ friendofsheila]

I agree withGar1 ...

 

so ... free country, I guess. I just won't support it with my $$$.

 

As they say on the porn comment blogs: "+1"

[+ friendofsheila]

I'm just praying that other sites with at least some men I find hot (Randy Blue, Cocky Boys, Men at Play) decide to stick with safe sex.

 

Sigh.

 

Does anyone else find themselves in this situation?

 

I like the looks of the men at the newer site DylanLucas so far (especially "Seth Bond"), and am considering a membership.

 

I notice so far they use condoms, which encourages me to try them out. I hope they stick to it.

[seeker630]

I like the looks of the men at the newer site DylanLucas so far (especially "Seth Bond"), and am considering a membership.

 

I notice so far they use condoms, which encourages me to try them out. I hope they stick to it.

 

As an aside - be aware that Dylan Lucas is currently only updating 1-2 times per month. Earlier this year, I though the site was dead but they did resume updates at the reduced frequency (although I'm not sure they haven't re-cycled some videos). Currently there are only 52 videos featuring 18 models.

[Michael Wayne]

and, of course, the more of it there is in porn the more requests we escorts get for it. Many clients see us as , "living and real porn stars." To me barebacking is now an epidemic that is out of control. All reason and all rational behavior is cast aside when guys are horny. It is sad. I can see a MAJOR lawsuit one day targeting these irresponsible porn companies.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

and, of course, the more of it there is in porn the more requests we escorts get for it. Many clients see us as , "living and real porn stars." To me barebacking is now an epidemic that is out of control. All reason and all rational behavior is cast aside when guys are horny. It is sad. I can see a MAJOR lawsuit one day targeting these irresponsible porn companies.

 

A lawsuit that will go nowhere. We are all adults who make our own decisions, and the idea that someone else can be sued as a result of our inability to accept personal responsibility is indicative of the actual problem here.

 

By the way, Tim Tales is mostly safe... with the occasional barebacking video.

[Jaker27]

Back when it was still around the straight side porn companies had a place called AIM. Every model had to get tested with a PCR test a month before shoot. Every single time no exceptions. The rare times someone was found to be positive the whole industry shut down. Maybe I'm thinking wrongly about it because i live in the SFV but that's just what I assume legit studios that BB all do.

[kevininsa]

I believe I recall reading somewhere that these sites are now using the "rapid HIV" testing of each performer before a shoot. I can't recall the source so please forgive me if my memory has failed me.

[nycguy]

Saying the bareback studios are irresponsible is like saying that liquor companies are irresponsible because there are alcoholics. And it's not as if the safe only studios are thriving. My "guesstimate" is that about 75% of the "safe only" escorts are willing to bareback in their professional lives and about 100% in their personal lives. There is no "safe" world out there where your escort comes wrapped with a purity banner around him.

[smendez1942]

Saying the bareback studios are irresponsible is like saying that liquor companies are irresponsible because there are alcoholics. And it's not as if the safe only studios are thriving. My "guesstimate" is that about 75% of the "safe only" escorts are willing to bareback in their professional lives and about 100% in their personal lives. There is no "safe" world out there where your escort comes wrapped with a purity banner around him.

 

+100. Great response.

 

Personal responsibility is still a very good thing. I feel that we often live in a society that places blame on anything other than where it belongs.

[+ Gar1eth]

Saying the bareback studios are irresponsible is like saying that liquor companies are irresponsible because there are alcoholics. And it's not as if the safe only studios are thriving. My "guesstimate" is that about 75% of the "safe only" escorts are willing to bareback in their professional lives and about 100% in their personal lives. There is no "safe" world out there where your escort comes wrapped with a purity banner around him.

 

I disagree strongly. Mainstream movies and stars have an incredible influence on the public. Anyone remember how many children were named Ferrah in the late '70's and early 80's. Anyone else remember the Dorothy Hammil haircut of the early '70's or the 'Jennifer' of the mid '90's. If movies can affect hairstyles and namings, they can affect a lot more. Many many gay men and boys watch these bareback films- watch enough it begins to set up expectations even if only subconsciously in both the actor and the viewing public. And once you bareback once and maybe get lucky with it- that just makes the delusion that it's a safe thing to do stronger. It's the same stick your head in the sand mentality when gay men of the '80's protested the closings of the baths in major cities when they could see themselves and their friends becoming ill with HIV. PROMOTING BAREBACK is promoting a total culture of hedonism with no thought to what's best for the the public health/society or individuals.

 

Gman

[+ deej]

Saying the bareback studios are irresponsible is like saying that liquor companies are irresponsible because there are alcoholics. And it's not as if the safe only studios are thriving. My "guesstimate" is that about 75% of the "safe only" escorts are willing to bareback in their professional lives and about 100% in their personal lives. There is no "safe" world out there where your escort comes wrapped with a purity banner around him.

 

Bullshit.

 

The liquor analogy doesn't hold or today's socially conscious liquor companies wouldn't include the phrase "Enjoy Responsibly" in their advertising. They KNOW they're on slippery ground. If liquor vendors weren't responsible in some way, there wouldn't be laws requiring bartenders to cut off customers who have obviously had too much.

 

Just own up to it, dude. Don't make excuses for it! It is what it is! Producers can sell more porn if they can get gullible young men to participate in behaviors proven to be highly risky. It's all about the money.

 

Don't justify it any other way. Anything short of this is weasel words.

 

PROMOTING BAREBACK is promoting a total culture of hedonism with no thought to what's best for the the public health/society or individuals.

 

Playing devil's advocate: pornography companies are not responsible for the public health, and (in the US, anyway) they have a first amendment right to produce "art" as they see fit. This is an immovable rock. The same rock keeps Fred Phelps and his merry band of hate mongers at Westboro Baptist "Church" on the march.

 

This is what it is too.

[marylander1940]

I am really pissed that not just one, or two, but three of the porn sites stocked with the perfect men for my taste (oh ... if I only COULD taste them) have, over the last couple of years, gone all bareback, all the time.

 

That's a problem for me because I refuse to help subsidize that kind of behavior, which I find reckless - almost sociopathic - in its subtle message to viewers that BB is OK ... somehow ... if you get tested (how often?) and everybody you have sex with gets tested (how often? what techniques?) and never has sex with anyone who isn't tested (how enforced?)... or whatever rationalization(s) they use.

 

I'm not talking to the always-been-bareback sites like Tim's Tales ... whose guys almost never appeal to me anyway. I'm referring to Sean Cody, Corbin Fisher, and Bel Ami ... which among them, showcase some of the most beautiful men on the planet (again, to my tastes). Some of the recent newbies, from the trailers, are over-the-top, almost beyond belief gorgeous/sexy/hot.

 

I'm just praying that other sites with at least some men I find hot (Randy Blue, Cocky Boys, Men at Play) decide to stick with safe sex.

 

Sigh.

 

Does anyone else find themselves in this situation?

 

Exactly!

 

"Who's more guilty, the pig for being a pig, or the guy who caresses the pig's shoulder"

 

Or as my granny used to say: "don't feed them, because they'll breed".

 

I was involved at a catfight about this issue a few months ago and all this "safe only" voices didn't come to my defense . If you have time, please take time to read about this subject, it's an interesting lecture.

 

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?92577-Peto-Coast&highlight=Peto+cost

[+ Gar1eth]

Bullshit.

 

The liquor analogy doesn't hold or today's socially conscious liquor companies wouldn't include the phrase "Enjoy Responsibly" in their advertising. They KNOW they're on slippery ground. If liquor vendors weren't responsible in some way, there wouldn't be laws requiring bartenders to cut off customers who have obviously had too much.

 

Just own up to it, dude. Don't make excuses for it! It is what it is! Producers can sell more porn if they can get gullible young men to participate in behaviors proven to be highly risky. It's all about the money.

 

Don't justify it any other way. Anything short of this is weasel words.

 

 

 

Playing devil's advocate: pornography companies are not responsible for the public health, and (in the US, anyway) they have a first amendment right to produce "art" as they see fit. This is an immovable rock. The same rock keeps Fred Phelps and his merry band of hate mongers at Westboro Baptist "Church" on the march.

 

This is what it is too.

 

I have to disagree about rights. Not that you are wrong in saying that their rights to do this are protected - they are. But having the right to do something - doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it. In fact it should make you think carefully in many cases of whether just because it's a right- is it the right/correct thing to do.

 

Businesses in the United States have the right to take their manufacturing overseas- causing increased hardship on the working class in America. However it was America that allowed them to profit to begin with - so while they have the right to do this- is it the 'right' think to do if it hurts working Americans.

 

There are more sides to a question than just the economic bottom line.

 

Gman

[seeker630]

I disagree strongly. Mainstream movies and stars have an incredible influence on the public. Anyone remember how many children were named Ferrah in the late '70's and early 80's. Anyone else remember the Dorothy Hammil haircut of the early '70's or the 'Jennifer' of the mid '90's. If movies can affect hairstyles and namings, they can affect a lot more. Many many gay men and boys watch these bareback films- watch enough it begins to set up expectations even if only subconsciously in both the actor and the viewing public. And once you bareback once and maybe get lucky with it- that just makes the delusion that it's a safe thing to do stronger. It's the same stick your head in the sand mentality when gay men of the '80's protested the closings of the baths in major cities when they could see themselves and their friends becoming ill with HIV. PROMOTING BAREBACK is promoting a total culture of hedonism with no thought to what's best for the the public health/society or individuals.

 

Gman

 

I confess to being torn here, but putting responsibility on the video producers is a slippery slope. What about claims that violent video games & movies promote real violence, and should be banned, or rap music that degrades women?

[+ deej]

But having the right to do something - doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it.

 

THAT, good friend, makes it a question of morals rather than a question of correctness. ("We" have some, "they" don't. High five. )

 

No argument from me!

[nycguy]

Bullshit.

 

Just own up to it, dude. Don't make excuses for it! It is what it is! Producers can sell more porn if they can get gullible young men to participate in behaviors proven to be highly risky. It's all about the money.

 

Don't justify it any other way. Anything short of this is weasel words.

 

 

"T.I.M. made me do it" are the weasel words, dude. Why don't you also blame the pharmaceutical companies for making drugs that brings viral loads down to undetectable and greatly reducing transmission, resulting in MANY feeling barebacking is not the risk it used to be. I am not advocating barebacking in any way, just saying, dude, that it is a much more complicated cause and effect than money driving T.I.M. and other studios.

[+ Gar1eth]

I disagree strongly. Mainstream movies and stars have an incredible influence on the public. Anyone remember how many children were named Ferrah in the late '70's and early 80's. Anyone else remember the Dorothy Hammil haircut of the early '70's or the 'Jennifer' of the mid '90's. If movies can affect hairstyles and namings, they can affect a lot more. Many many gay men and boys watch these bareback films- watch enough it begins to set up expectations even if only subconsciously in both the actor and the viewing public. And once you bareback once and maybe get lucky with it- that just makes the delusion that it's a safe thing to do stronger. It's the same stick your head in the sand mentality when gay men of the '80's protested the closings of the baths in major cities when they could see themselves and their friends becoming ill with HIV. PROMOTING BAREBACK is promoting a total culture of hedonism with no thought to what's best for the the public health/society or individuals.

 

Gman

 

I confess to being torn here, but putting responsibility on the video producers is a slippery slope. What about claims that violent video games & movies promote real violence, and should be banned, or rap music that degrades women?

 

Hollywood is very quick to claim credit for feel good movies or movies that make you tear up and cry. Is it very hard to believe then that if movies can have those kind of effects on us that violence looming large on the Big Screen could incite violent feelings in certain susceptible people and make them more likely to commit atrocities?

 

Gman

[seeker630]

Hollywood is very quick to claim credit for feel good movies or movies that make you tear up and cry. Is it very hard to believe then that if movies can have those kind of effects on us that violence looming large on the Big Screen could incite violent feelings in certain susceptible people and make them more likely to commit atrocities?

 

Gman

 

If we start banning depictions of any behavior that MIGHT influence SOME people in negative ways...well, I guess we can watch "Its a Wonderful Life" 24/7.

 

Some people believe ALL pornography leads to deviant behavior!