What is Middle Age? Do Clients Disclose Their Real Age?

[OneFinger]

In a recent response an escort begins by stating:

 

I remember this client very well! Had he been half way honest about his age, and build, and expectations, I would not have taken XXXX's appointment in the first place. I almost walked away when he opened the door. This man is pushing late 60's. I dont really consider that middle age.

 

So, can someone define middle age? I'm not sure if I'm middle age or just an old fart. :+ I certainly don't think of myself as middle aged and don't think I look my age. (At least I don't think I look as old as some of the obituary pictures of my peers.)

 

How honest should I be with escorts? Can I use the sliding scale like they do in the review section and allow myself a 10-year span?

 

Does the client's age really matter?

[Guest ncm2169]

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For what it's worth, I always tell escorts, as part of my regular introductory self-description, that I'm late 40's, that I look older (I always have), but that I think and act much younger (which it totally true).

 

As for whether a client's age should be an issue, I suppose the answer is, it depends on the escort, just as height/weight proportionality, or race, or other factors might be an issue with a particular escort.

 

We all know that many escorts truly are able to feel comfortable with virtually any client, which is admirable. I think it's also true that for many escorts, chemistry is a factor. In other words, I don't think all escorts are (or should be expected to be) sexual robots.

[giovoni]

As soon as someone dies.. take their age and divide by 2.. for them that's their middle age. :-P

 

If someone really wanted me to say what I thought middle age was.. from seeing clients and patients in my studies and from what people consider themselves, I would say that around 45-55 is when one would be able to say they are 'middle aged.' I'm sure everyone has a different idea.. if you go to the clubs in Denver and see the way 30-40 year olds and above are treated, then you'd think people in high school should be having mid life crisis.

 

It's a 50-50 bet that a client on my table or in my bed will ever disclose their age to me. I have no way of knowing if it's their real age or not but I have no reason to believe I've been lied to in that regard. It certainly doesn't make any difference to me what the age of someone I'm working on is though. Considering what board I'm on I'll make the disclaimer that I don't work on people less then 18 years old, cause you know.. I wouldnt' want to break the law or anything.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[VaHawk]

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Now, this is a good reply. This is exactly how I feel, but since you stated it better than I could have, I have nothing more to say. (Yeah, everybody cheer).

[Guest jeffOH]

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I just turned 40 and I consider myself to be "middle-aged". I'd define middle-aged as late 30's to early 50's. The only way a man in his late 60's could be considered "middle-aged" would be if the average life expectancy for men in the U.S. was 120.

 

I once had a client tell me he was in his late 60's. As it turned out he was 80. He did look to be in his 60's, but he was afraid that if he'd told me his real age from the get-go I wouldn't have seen him. He was very fit, had no problem getting an erection and loved sex. He was an inspiration to me. I hope I'm as energetic if I live that long.

 

JEFF

[email protected]

[VaHawk]

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Now if you're serious about living that long, I would strongly advise you against a trip to New Jersey.

[AaronScottDC]

>In a recent response an escort begins by stating:

>

>I remember this client very well! Had he been half way

>honest about his age, and build, and expectations, I would not

>have taken XXXX's appointment in the first place. I almost

>walked away when he opened the door. This man is pushing late

>60's. I dont really consider that middle age.

 

You know, OneFinger, the thing that I found really funny about this review/response (or very sad, depending on which way you look at it) is that the client that this particular escort is refering to is not at all what I would call old, ugly, mean, or any other bad term. If you look at the other escorts he has reviewed, my name is the list. I have met him a number of times and I thought he was a great guy. Clean, friendly, honest, smart and funny guy. And, he has quite a lovely dick, too!

 

I am not sure what kind of client this escort is looking for, but if he wants only what he determines to be "hot" guys hiring him, then good luck, dude. You are in the WRONG business!!

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[Guest jeffOH]

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>Now if you're serious about living that long, I would

>strongly advise you against a trip to New Jersey.

 

 

JEFF

[email protected]

[tipster]

Does the clients age really matter? IMO opinion it does. If your 40 or 45 maybe the exact age doesn't really matter but if your in your early 60s as I am, I believe I need to tell the escort.

 

To answer the question, I believe middle age is probably 45 - 55, (Jeff in Ohio you are not there yet)

 

I haven't been doing this very long, about 18 months, but from the very first contact with an escort I ever made, I've always been upfront about describing myself honestly. I give them my age, 6', 171, have all my hair and straight white teeth, all mine. Yes the face has wrinkles(not fixed yet)

 

I ask them to be honest with themselves and with me about seeing me. I haven't been refused yet but I should have been by a couple of them, because it was very obvious to me that they could not really get into to seeing an older guy.

 

The biggest mistake I think I've made so far is engaging someone barely of age to be escorting. He said he had no problem being with someone my age but I discovered he was not there only for the money (DUH), he NEEDED the money, NOW. So I have moved up to the 25-30 year olds and having better success.

 

For my age, I'm put together reasonably well( of course that's my opinion) but still you can only dress it up and cover it up so much, sixties are still sixties.

 

I've been told by some, what I consider to be VERY SMART young escorts, that they have been with clients that for all practicle purposes were on there last leg at 40, but on the other hand had been with guys my age, while they weren't hot(not going to invite them home)but knew their way around the bedroom pretty well.

 

So there you have it, middle age IMO is 45-55, but for purposes of sex you can be a dud at 40 and some can still be hitting on most cylinders at 60 and I have had some great times and some not so great. But that's life.

[SFViking]

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>If someone really wanted me to say what I thought middle age

>was.. from seeing clients and patients in my studies and from

>what people consider themselves, I would say that around 45-55

>is when one would be able to say they are 'middle aged.' I'm

 

Oh, dear. At age 55, I thought I had another five years left before I had to start calling myself 'old.' Guess I might as well get it over with and start thinking that way now.

 

Old SF Viking (Ye Olde SF Viking? Olde Viking? hmmmm, not quite sure what sounds right.)

 

ps, I think I'm fairly truthful in describing myself to escorts. I don't see what it would gain me to lie.

[giovoni]

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It doesn't matter what your age is.. you never HAVE to start calling yourself 'old' unless your parents were really silly and actualy gave you the name "old".

 

I really don't like it when clients chose to only base their descriptions of themselves on their age. What I much prefer is what they like to do in their spare time, if they would describe themselves as mostly happy, bitter, outgoing, shy, top, bottom, oral, always horny, always wanting to cuddle, interested in conversation, interested in just walking in and starting to make out, democrat, republican, nazi, redundant, etc... Those sorts of things are MUCH MUCH more valuable in figureing out if I'm going to be able to connect with a client then just what their age is. As has been pointed out already, people at any age can be in very good or very poor shape, and to someone who has been able to look past those things and find sexiness in the kinds of qualities that can be gleened from the list above age usually doesn't add much.

 

If you WANT to call yourself old.. well that usually just means that you're probably (not always) more wise. Wisdom can be VERY sexy too.

 

Gio in Denver

http://www.angelfire.com/co3/massagebygio

[giovoni]

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>I really don't like it when clients chose to only base their

>descriptions of themselves on their age.

 

damn my typing.. "choose" !!! .. I'm sure there are other typos too... but oh well

[Samai139]

I have no idea what "Middle Aged" means and don't want to know. Old Age?? Same thing. When I was a teen-ager I was awkward, gangly and inexperienced about EVERYTHING; when I was a twenty-something, I thought I KNEW everything and showed it; in my thirties I was beginning to realise I was ignorant about a LOT of things and became a little more humble; my forties were full of ecstacy and agony and years I shall never forget; the years over 50 have been "healthy" years when I gave up the bad habits of smoking and some others and adjusted to major occupational and cultural changes.

Why the summary? Most Americans are so obsessed with the "age" factor that they miss the pleasures of having social and sexual relationships with people (read escorts or partners or whatever) who are older or even OLD.

DO I tell escorts how old I am? Sure, what's the point of lying? If an escort has a "problem" with men of a "certain age" I want to know.

Have I always been so sanquine about my aging? Hell no. I distinctly remember the year I turned 30----I thought life was over, because those were the days of "don't trust anyone over 30." Those who are old enough to remember those days will know exactly what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, many who felt life had to rushed through, were right; they didn't survive into the late 1980's.

[+ Lucky]

As this subject has been on my mind lately, I have decided that "old" begins at 65! So middle age must be 45-64, young is 25-44, and anything less you are just a child!

[Donnie]

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>As soon as someone dies.. take their age and divide by 2..

>for them that's their middle age. :-P

 

What do you do in the case of Franco Desantis, who looks like the living dead?

[+ Lucky]

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Or Donnie, who is brain dead?

[Paul Revere]

I thought the Middele Ages were like the 1500's.

 

What is the preoccupation with a number? Be active and enjoy life, regardless of chronological age.

[+ Axiom2001]

Although I enjoyed reading the salient comments about "middle age" from the other respondents and can concur strongly with the remarks--, but for myself, I'll accept Lucky's assessment.

 

During the 2 years that I've sought the services of escorts-- I have not had a problem with my age; only one escort has asked my age, and after I told him, he could not believe what I had cited; I'm over 50 and under 65. I'll keep u all guessing! If one divides 2 into my age, well it is mid range agewise in terms of longevity. One half of 100 is 50; and half of 80 is 40 (mid range), so let us do our math to calculate middle age as one respondent alluded.

So Jeff, since you're 40 and are apparently anticipating to live to be 80+, you've deduced and accepted this middle age thing quiet well.

[+ Charlie]

As I told people on my 60th birthday, "Yesterday I was middle-aged, and today I'm a senior citizen." I have always thought "40-59" when I hear "middle-aged." Of course, I don't LOOK old (at least, that's what escorts always tell me, and they certainly wouldn't lie). In fact, at 20 I could pass for 35, and at 50 I could still pass for 35. Strangely enough, I can't remember an escort ever asking my age in advance, but if one did, I would tell him my exact age, not my subjective one.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

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I don't think figuring out 'MiddleAge' is rocket science. Your life is divided into four periods with regard to sexuality ... adolesence < 20, followed by: younger adult, middle age and 'senior years' . Let's say that the average max lifetime is late seventies or 80ish, then 'on anverage' the ranges fall out as

 

younger adult -- 20's and 30's

middle age -- 40s and 50's

seniors -- 60s and 70s

80 and beyond -- cheating the devil -- go for it :+

 

Of course this is all based on 'averages' and no one is average. So if this doesn't fit you don't worry -- you are only as old as you feel and try to appear (not always a positive correlation) :+ (Nothing makes someone look older than an older gentleman wearing a nice new head of thick richly colored hair, especially over his ears and down his neck. Then again, if it is slightly skewed I reagard it as 'pop art in motion'. :+ )

 

Of course, all of this is just my opinion and not worth the price of admission to this forum.

 

As for giving my age to escorts?I give it all the time as I do my wt and ht. I figure that, although it does not guarantee good chemistry, it helps to weed out potential bad chemistry -- which is not my thing. :+ Why would anyone obscure that info when you are looking for a hot interactive time which presumably means someone up for your type.

[axebahia]

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>Your life is divided into four periods with regard to

>sexuality ... adolesence < 20, followed by: younger adult,

>middle age and 'senior years' . Let's say that the average

>max lifetime is late seventies or 80ish, then 'on anverage'

>the ranges fall out as

>

>younger adult -- 20's and 30's

>middle age -- 40s and 50's

>seniors -- 60s and 70s

>80 and beyond -- cheating the devil -- go for it :+

 

I don't think this is right. I think middle age is between adulthood and death. If adulthood begins at 20 or so, and death at 75 or so, then middle-aged does not hit until late 40s and 50s. If there is some fat, balding angry unfulfilled guy out there in their late 30s or early 40s, they may seem middle-aged, but they aren't. They just are prematurely aged.

[OneFinger]

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WOW, what great responses. Aaron Scott, I didn't notice you were reviewed by the same client. I appreciated (and trust) your assessment of the client. Thanks for providing that insight.

 

Just for fun I asked people at work today to define "middle age". Most mirrored the guidelines provided by Tampa Yankee (who I agree with). But, when I commented to my co-workers, "So you're middle-aged?" Most responded with comments that although they fit the age range, they didn't consider themselves to be "middle aged". ;-)

 

So, I guess it's time for me to finally start thinking of myself as middle aged. (But, that doesn't mean I have to act middle aged.) Don't have that much time left before I'm "old". :+

[Will]

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I'm not sure I have anything useful to add to this perenially interesting but ultimately pointless question. However, I'm traveling alone in Europe and feeling the need for a "conversation," however one-sided it may be.

 

I've thought a lot about this; and while I don't think it matters a whole lot, I've come to the following rules-of-thumb (and I don't think I can be more explicit than that):

 

1. "Middle Age" begins as soon after 40 as a person begins to experience that elemental shift in self-awareness that is usually called a "crisis" because the results are some pretty significant changes in values, career directions, leisure-time activities, and other ultimate concerns. I've never known someone who underwent that seismic shift before 40; but I have known too many men who kept putting it off, so that they were still immature at 50.

 

2. ¨"Middle Age" ends when Social Security or one's employer -- or one's portfolio -- determines that it's time to retire. This could be as early as 62 or as late as 70. Once one has retired from the life's course known as a career, one moves into another category of being. Not because he's old, or feeble, or failing, but because he no longer devotes most of his time and energy to working for a living. (People who live on independent incomes are a different matter.)

 

3. Everybody who's contributed to this thread so far agrees that terms like "middle-aged" don't really amount to much when it comes to sex. But because most of us are out gay men, we experience the consequences of visual aging acutely, and it's no wonder that we get preoccupied with it.

 

4. Finally, I never, ever, lie about my age to an escort. First, if it's a problem for him I want to know it before I take my clothes off. Second, if it's a problem for him, he's too trivial to earn my money. Third, I want escorts to be totally honest with me about their ages, so why would I lie about mine?

 

And thassit from me.

[axebahia]

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>1. "Middle Age" begins as soon after 40 as a person begins to

>experience that elemental shift in self-awareness that is

>usually called a "crisis" because the results are some pretty

>significant changes in values, career directions, leisure-time

>activities, and other ultimate concerns. I've never known

>someone who underwent that seismic shift before 40; but I have

>known too many men who kept putting it off, so that they were

>still immature at 50.

 

I don't buy the 40 position. In the Dot.com boom and bust, I am sure that some of the Reality Bites kids who went from losers to dot.com CEOs back to losers are barely pushing 30 and are beginning their "crisis". I think that middle-age begins after 45, and probably 50. In the New Economy, where people are living longer and with increased labor/socil mobility, I am not sure 40 cuts it.

[VaHawk]

Middle age has nothing to do with physical age, and everything to do with mental age, imo. I have met guys who are ready to call it quits at 30 and guys who are ready to party forever at 70.

 

IMO, middle age is just a transpiration of time and experience, not a passing of physical years. It is the passage of time when you wake up from a wet dream, with cum dripping from the bedsheets, to the time when you don't wake up at all to see the grey matter from your brain dripping off the headboard!

 

Middle age, in any connotation totally sucks! As the music says, "only the good die young", but unfortunately the rest of us have to live way too long, long enough to curse the fates and say Why Not Me? "The lunatic is on the run".