Why so many lawyers?

[+ Lucky]

Woodie actually used a smiley face in his post? Another breakthrough in his therapy!

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

I too get asked for help a lot. Either with a problem they're having or for advice on getting a new PC. Luckily, most of the times the problems are easily fixed. But there have been some that weren't. But I've never really minded helping when I can.

[woodlawn]

>>Seems to me that a lot of

>>people enjoy bashing lawyers for helping guilty clients

>escape

>>the consequences of their crimes

 

>Yes, when there's an actual victim of the "crime".

 

We have this system in America in which deciding what is or is not a crime is left up to the legislature, instead of being left up to the people who commit the crimes. I know it seems odd, but it does happen to be a longstanding tradition in this and other democratic countries.

 

>I realized

>that the charge was legitimate.

 

So to avoid being "duplicitous" I assume you'll plead guilty.

 

>My "bashing" was specifically regarding certain posters who

>feel the need to point out that they are attorneys in every

>other post and in my reference to my now ex-boyfriend who

>loves to argue about the most inconsequential things and tries

>to apply his "lawyer logic" to whatever the issue is at hand.

 

Does pointing out that one is an attorney and arguing about inconsequential things make one "duplicitous"? You did use that word, right?

 

>I don't believe that being an attorney is any more "noble" a

>profession than being a prostitute.

 

 

I guess it depends on what one does with one's professional abilities. I know attorneys who have given up lucrative careers in private practice to do public service work that pays so poorly they can't afford to get their car fixed when it breaks down. I don't know of any prostitutes of whom that can be said.

 

 

>It sure is funny, especially the responses to this thread by

>people who are normally the ones "baiting the hook". Hilarious

>stuff, thanks for making my day!

 

If a paragraph from me makes your day, you must lead one hell of a dull life. Ever thought about doing something more exciting -- like becoming an accountant?

[VaHawk]

>My "bashing" was specifically regarding certain posters who

>feel the need to point out that they are attorneys in every

>other post

 

Hmmm, now who could you possibly be referring to?

>

>I don't believe that being an attorney is any more "noble" a

>profession than being a prostitute. We all serve a vital

>function in this world. Some people think that SIMPLY because

>passed the bar or because they got their medical degree they

>should automatically be given more respect or consideration. I

>think that's the ego looking for some sort of validation.

 

AMEN! I grew up in a lower middle class blue collar family and would not limit the chastisement to just doctors and lawyers but all white collars. Not everyone has the same starting point as far as educational opportunities or advantages goes and no matter what they decide to do in their lives they should not have to put up with superior attitudes from those in the mostly higher paid (of course escorts don't count paywise ) white collar professions. I would like to see how well the world would function without those in the service industries, sanitation industries, manufacturing industries retailing industries and others.

 

Kind of reminds of that old story about the arguement among the body parts about which was the most important. After listening to the arguements from the brain, heart, lungs, eyes, etc. the asshole just said "enough" and shut down to the ultimate dismay of all.

 

BTW: without escorts (prostitues as you say or whores as FFF says) this board wouldn't exist and then where would all these guys go to lord their superiority over others?

[woodlawn]

>>My "bashing" was specifically regarding certain posters who

>>feel the need to point out that they are attorneys in every

>>other post

>

>Hmmm, now who could you possibly be referring to?

 

Beats me. If you can find any post on this board in which I state that I'm an attorney, I'll give you fifty bucks. Don't forget to check the archives.

 

 

>BTW: without escorts (prostitues as you say or whores as FFF

>says) this board wouldn't exist and then where would all these

>guys go to lord their superiority over others?

 

I don't recall seeing any post by anyone claiming to be an attorney that states attorneys are superior to anyone else. Can you find one? Try it. But I can find several posts in just this one thread that imply the opposite. Deej once stated that when people criticize members of a given profession it shows they're envious. Well, okay.

[Guest jeffOH]

>>Yes, when there's an actual victim of the "crime".

>

>We have this system in America in which deciding what is or is

>not a crime is left up to the legislature, instead of being

>left up to the people who commit the crimes. I know it seems

>odd, but it does happen to be a longstanding tradition in this

>and other democratic countries.

 

Exactly who was the "victim" of my alleged "crime"? There are many laws in this country that I believe are wrong. There are also many ways to express that. I do my part by voting and breaking the laws I believe to be a violation of my right to privacy.

 

>>I realized

>>that the charge was legitimate.

>

>So to avoid being "duplicitous" I assume you'll plead guilty.

 

I'll plead "No Contest" because a "Not Guilty" plea can be used against me in the future. This is my right in this Mayor's Court. I believe that the police were overzealous in their enforcement of this ordinance. I didn't elect any of these people in Reynoldsburg's government. The Police called me up and lured me into their jurisdiction to violate their ordinance. A Plea of NO CONTEST is an acknowledgment that the facts as presented in the complaint are true.

 

>>My "bashing" was specifically regarding certain posters who

>>feel the need to point out that they are attorneys in every

>>other post and in my reference to my now ex-boyfriend who

>>loves to argue about the most inconsequential things and

>tries

>>to apply his "lawyer logic" to whatever the issue is at

>hand.

>

>Does pointing out that one is an attorney and arguing about

>inconsequential things make one "duplicitous"?

 

He's not an attorney, he's still in law school. His "duplicity" was related to our relationship. I believed this to be a quality that may come in handy once he is a practicing attorney. It certainly didn't benefit him in maintaining our relationship. This was not meant to say that ALL attorneys are "duplicitous". I have a few attorney friends who don't fall into that category. But, I do believe that the profession is appealing to those afflicted with megalomania.

 

>You did use

>that word, right?

 

Yes I did and in this context.

 

"My ex is a very intelligent, but duplicitous, arrogant know-it-all (great sex, though) who's in law school. He has absolutely no social skills and is very self-centered, so I'm sure he'll make an excellent attorney."

 

This as a flippant remark made about him (NOT about all attorneys), hoping that he may see it.

After all, he's an escort also that frequents this site.

 

>>I don't believe that being an attorney is any more "noble" a

>>profession than being a prostitute.

 

>I guess it depends on what one does with one's professional

>abilities. I know attorneys who have given up lucrative

>careers in private practice to do public service work that

>pays so poorly they can't afford to get their car fixed when

>it breaks down.

 

A person is NOT their profession. All human beings are capable of good deeds. You don't know the number of people I've helped who were in desperate need of financial assistance and/or emotional support.

 

>I don't know of any prostitutes of whom that

>can be said.

 

Too bad for you.

 

>>It sure is funny, especially the responses to this thread by

>>people who are normally the ones "baiting the hook".

>Hilarious

>>stuff, thanks for making my day!

 

 

>If a paragraph from me makes your day,

 

Sorry Bub, it's not ALL about you. Several others have responded to this thread.

 

>you must lead one hell

>of a dull life.

 

Nope, far from it.

 

>Ever thought about doing something more

>exciting -- like becoming an accountant?

 

Nope, I enjoy BOTH my escort work and being co-owner of a gym. I get my satisfaction and validation from a job well done and DON'T have to look for it on a hooker review site's message board.

 

Thanks again for your continued support of my opinion.}(

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[VaHawk]

>>Hmmm, now who could you possibly be referring to?

>

>Beats me. If you can find any post on this board in which I

>state that I'm an attorney, I'll give you fifty bucks. Don't

>forget to check the archives.

 

Chill dude, check the ego at the door. My reference wasn't to you.

>

>

>I don't recall seeing any post by anyone claiming to be an

>attorney that states attorneys are superior to anyone else.

>Can you find one? Try it. But I can find several posts in

>just this one thread that imply the opposite. Deej once

>stated that when people criticize members of a given

>profession it shows they're envious. Well, okay.

 

One doesn't have to explicity state their superiority in "words" as the tone of their words IMPLY and I don't mean INFER their superior

attitude. I don't see any posts in this thread that imply the opposite as you state. What is the point about deej anyway? Are you his authorized spokesperson now? The last time I looked, deej is just like everyone else here, entitled to express an opinion, that is just that, an opinion and not one of the ten commandments handed down from God to Moses. Or are you implying that the rest of us are envious of you or anyone else here? I doubt that, and speaking for myself, I know that is not a fact.

[DaninWA]

>Nope, I enjoy BOTH my escort work and being co-owner of a gym.

>I get my satisfaction and validation from a job well done and

>DON'T have to look for it on a hooker review site's message

>board.

 

Jeff,

 

Sorry for going off-topic here, but your comment above made me curious. Do you have a licensed massage therapist working at your gym? If not, perhaps you should consider getting licensed yourself. This would allow you to provide an additional, revenue-producing, service both inside and outside the gym. In addition, becoming a licensed massage therapist yourself would allow you to avoid hiring an employee, along with the attendant costs. It might, also, help you to avoid future legal problems.

 

Just a thought.

 

Dan

[taylorky]

>I don't believe that being an attorney is any more "noble" a

>profession than being a prostitute.

 

 

ROFLMFAO @ the above.......tell me the last time a "NOBEL" hooker provided thousands of hours of pro bono (free services) to people just because they needed help, and it was the right thing to do.or how many "NOBEL" hookers have secured the release of wrongfully convicted innocent folk's from prison ,how many "NOBEL" hookers have saved the home's and job's of people, i could go on and on but you get the idea.yes i'm biased, and no i'm not an attorney, but my folks practice that NOBLE profession . are they sucessful yes,should we apologize for success hard earned...........no of course not.am i proud of them of course....is there anything wrong with being a hooker,plumber,burger flipper on any other endeavor of course not.but there are few truly NOBEL professions ........and the law is one of them...taylor@23:05-03/28/03

[VaHawk]

Hey taylor, are you trying to say that the law is one of the categories awarded a NOBEL prize? If so, I did not know that. BTW let's not forget that to the Christian faith, one of the noblest figures in the Bible was Mary Magdalene, a prostitute, who caught the blood of Christ as he hung on the cross.

[taylorky]

>Hey taylor, are you trying to say that the law is one of the

>categories awarded a NOBEL prize? If so, I did not know that.

> BTW let's not forget that to the Christian faith, one of the

>noblest figures in the Bible was Mary Magdalene, a prostitute,

>who caught the blood of Christ as he hung on the cross.

 

 

LOL hey vahawk..............ummmmmmm are you sure your not an attorney;-) taylorky@23:27-03/28/03

[taylorky]

ok ok you got me ............lol i reread my post ewwwwww i hate when i do that ......NOBLE....taylor*blushing*@23:34-03/28/03

[Guest jeffOH]

>

>

>>I don't believe that being an attorney is any more "noble" a

>>profession than being a prostitute.

>

>

>ROFLMFAO @ the above.......tell me the last time a "NOBEL"

>hooker provided thousands of hours of pro bono (free services)

>to people just because they needed help, and it was the right

>thing to do.or how many "NOBEL" hookers have secured the

>release of wrongfully convicted innocent folk's from prison

>,how many "NOBEL" hookers have saved the home's and job's of

>people, i could go on and on but you get the idea.

 

Whoa! Dude, first of all it's NOBLE not "NOBEL". Excuse me while I laugh my ass off!

 

Second, as a 20 year-old gay boy living in KENTUCKY, exactly how many hookers, porn stars do you know? Please tell us how you know exactly what they do in their private lives? Upon what, if any, firsthand experience can YOU possibly base this opinion?

 

 

>but there are few truly NOBEL professions ........and the

>law is one of them...

 

The hilarity continues...

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[VaHawk]

No problem, dude. You're one of my favorite posters here. As you told me "keep givin' them hell".

[Guest jeffOH]

Dan

 

We have thought about offering license massage therapy at our gym, but we really don't have the space right now. We do work with a few massage/polarity therapists and practitioners to whom we refer our patrons.

 

Thanks for the suggestion!

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest jeffOH]

>AMEN! I grew up in a lower middle class blue collar family

>and would not limit the chastisement to just doctors and

>lawyers but all white collars.

 

And AMEN to that!

 

My father worked two jobs (gas station owner and steel worker) to support a family of seven until I was 16 years-old. I started working at my father's gas station when I was 12.

I cut 10 yards a week during summers from the age of 12-18. In my sophomore year of college my parents cut off all financial support(after I confirmed my homosexuality AND switched from Pre-Law to Clothing and Textiles)and I started working a 2nd job to pay for school and support myself. I've worked at an ice cream shop, shoe stores, department stores, a funeral home, a pharmacy, a bar and a telemarketing company.

 

I pay the same respect to Amanda, the 78 year-old black woman who runs the vacum and cleans the halls in my apartment building as I do my doctor or to the judge who's a client of mine. They're all doing their job, but they are NOT their job. What I truly respect is how they treat others. I respond to the human being, not their "station" in life. What an elitist way of thinking it is thinking otherwise.

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[+ deej]

Wasn't there another thread here recently that mentioned the benefits of "youth and exhuberance"? ;-)

[Guest jeffOH]

BTW there, Dude, just so I can milk this for a bit more humor, exactly which definition of NOBLE did you have in mind when characterizing this profession?

 

1) famous or renowned?

2) HAVING HIGH MORAL QUALITIES?

3) excellent?

4) grand, stately?

5) of high hereditary rank?

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[woodlawn]

>Exactly who was the "victim" of my alleged "crime"? There are

>many laws in this country that I believe are wrong. There are

>also many ways to express that. I do my part by voting and

>breaking the laws I believe to be a violation of my right to

>privacy.

 

I'm a little confused by your posts. First you say the charge against you is "legitimate" (see below). Then you say because there is no victim it isn't really a crime. Which is it?

 

You say you break whatever laws you believe violate your "right to privacy." Where does your "right to privacy" come from? Who conferred that "right" on you?

 

>>>I realized

>>>that the charge was legitimate.

 

>>So to avoid being "duplicitous" I assume you'll plead

>guilty.

 

>I'll plead "No Contest" because a "Not Guilty" plea can be

>used against me in the future. This is my right in this

>Mayor's Court.

 

That's the same mayor you referred to as an "idiot," right?

 

 

>I believe that the police were overzealous in

>their enforcement of this ordinance. I didn't elect any of

>these people in Reynoldsburg's government. The Police called

>me up and lured me into their jurisdiction to violate their

>ordinance. A Plea of NO CONTEST is an acknowledgment that the

>facts as presented in the complaint are true.

 

 

Again, I'm confused by what you're saying. If you're guilty as charged, isn't the honest thing to plead guilty? What is the significance of saying you didn't elect any of the people in this town? If you didn't vote for the legislators in a given jurisdiction does that give you license to ignore the laws they enact? Is that a policy you recommend to everyone, or are you the only one who gets to do that?

 

>>Does pointing out that one is an attorney and arguing about

>>inconsequential things make one "duplicitous"?

>

>He's not an attorney, he's still in law school. His

>"duplicity" was related to our relationship. I believed this

>to be a quality that may come in handy once he is a practicing

>attorney.

 

Since you disapprove of "duplicitous" behavior I assume that when you ask an attorney to help or advise you, you make it clear to them how you feel about attorneys. Anything else, of course, would be "duplicitous."

 

>You don't know the number of people I've helped

>who were in desperate need of financial assistance and/or

>emotional support.

 

I'm sure I would be very surprised to hear about that. Very, very surprised.

 

>I don't know of any prostitutes of whom that

>>can be said.

>

>Too bad for you.

 

 

Do you know of any?

 

>Nope, far from it.

 

I suppose there could be a certain excitement in doing a job in which one is constantly in danger of being arrested.

 

>Thanks again for your continued support of my opinion.

 

It's the least I can do. Your posts have certainly confirmed certain opinions that I have long held.

[woodlawn]

>>Exactly who was the "victim" of my alleged "crime"?

 

 

In the case of the statute under which you have been charged, wouldn't the victims be the people who don't want a sex business to be conducted in their community?

[Will]

I'd like to turn this question around, slightly, and ask, "Why so many professional men?" Another way to phrase it: "How many blue-collar men are regulars here?"

 

To be more specific to the question itself, however, I can imagine this: Lawyers are the only publicly powerful and financially empowered men who make their living by using words with scalpel-like precision. Surgeons, CEOs, and other Fat Cats do not need to be -- and generally are not -- as articulate as lawyers are. On boards like this one, written language is the only form of self-representation possible. It seems reasonable to suppose that lawyers, who are at home using words anyway and are rich enough to hire escorts regularly, would be prominent in these threads.

 

But I also have a second question, in addition to the one about non-professional contributors: How many of us are in what are usually called the "helping" professions? These are the (usually) highly educated but (usually) undercompensated people who are teachers, professors, psychologists, clergy, social workers, and the like. They, too, can be very articulate, of course; but it's my experience that their egos are less firmly shackled to their skills at verbal thrusting and parrying than lawyers' are. They also tend to run to compassion -- a mind-set that doesn't seem to bedevil attorneys very often. Compassionate people can easily become objects of contempt for men who prefer to deal more openly in the various economies of male empowerment. In that light, I've noticed that the most aggressive, even hostile, contributors here claim to be lawyers, and that the men on the receiving end tend to belong to the "helping" professions.

 

I'll bet you can guess which category I belong to!

[woodlawn]

>Chill dude, check the ego at the door. My reference wasn't to

>you.

 

I didn't ask you to respond to my post. When you choose to respond to it, I think I'm entitled to assume that what you say in your response is directed at me unless you clearly state otherwise.

 

 

>One doesn't have to explicity state their superiority in

>"words" as the tone of their words IMPLY and I don't mean

>INFER their superior

>attitude.

 

So which posts would be examples of what you are referring to here?

 

 

>I don't see any posts in this thread that imply the

>opposite as you state.

 

I do. See Bitchboy's post, for one. If that post does not denigrate lawyers as a group then what does it mean?

 

 

>What is the point about deej anyway?

>Are you his authorized spokesperson now?

 

 

I'm entitled to read any post on this board and to refer to the opinions expressed in it. What sort of "authorizaton" do I need to do that?

 

>Or are

>you implying that the rest of us are envious of you or anyone

>else here?

 

I'm not "implying" anything. I'm saying that if you agree with what he said then it is just as applicable in the context of this discussion as in the context in which he first expressed that opinion. Clear?

[Guest jeffOH]

>I'm a little confused by your posts.

 

No you're not.

 

>First you say the charge

>against you is "legitimate"

 

Yes, as their ordinance is written, the complaint is legitimate. Legal under the code, but overzealously enforced.

 

>Then you say because

>there is no victim it isn't really a crime.

 

There is no actual victim other than the city of Reynoldsburg, whose "morals" this ordinance was intended to protect.

 

>You say you break whatever laws you believe violate your

>"right to privacy." Where does your "right to privacy" come

>from?

 

First of all, God, second, The right to privacy is not mentioned in the constitution, the Supreme Court has said that several of the amendments create this right. One of the amendments is the Fourth Amendment, which stops the police and other government agents from searching us or our property without "probable cause" to believe that we have committed a crime. Other amendments protect our freedom to make CERTAIN DECISIONS ABOUT OUR LIVES AND BODIES WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM THE GOVERNMENT!

 

>IF you're guilty

>as charged, isn't the honest thing to plead guilty?

 

Try to follow here, I believe that in their enforcement of this ordinance, the police were overzealous. In order to enforce laws that

pertain to "adult entertainment" or prostitution the police usually have to invade your privacy. What would normally have been a situation involving 2 consenting adults in a private setting, who with the absence of money being involved, could do pretty much whatever to each other sexually, but somehow it becomes the government's business due to the exchange of money.

 

>Is that a policy you recommend to everyone,

>or are you the only one who gets to do that?

 

Yes, I do recommend this when your privacy is violated when pertains your own body. Adults should be able to ingest whatever they want in private and do whatever they want sexually with another consenting adult(even when money is exchanged). It's a form of civil disobedience.

 

 

I assume that

>when you ask an attorney to help or advise you, you make it

>clear to them how you feel about attorneys. Anything else, of

>course, would be "duplicitous."

 

I'm not going to play your little word game, bub. Talking to someone who parses words like you do is useless. You're so busy dissecting that you never see the whole picture.

 

You're free to read what you want into it, but I NEVER said all attorneys are "duplicitous". Please quote me word for word where I said I believe all, some or even a few attorneys are "duplicitous".

As I said before, my reference in the original context is referring to a characteristic of my ex that I thought might benefit him as an attorney.

 

>>You don't know the number of people I've helped

>>who were in desperate need of financial assistance and/or

>>emotional support.

>

>I'm sure I would be very surprised to hear about that. Very,

>very surprised.

 

Happy to surprise you. Perhaps you should get out more and interact with more of a variety of people (or any other human beings for that matter).

 

>>>I don't know of any prostitutes of whom that

can be said.

 

>>Too bad for you.

 

>Do you know of any?

 

Yes, I do. I have a friend who's worked as a stripper (now as an escort) who has bought several properties in blighted areas and fixed them up. He's provided low-cost housing to the poor. I've helped the homeless, alcoholics, drug addicts and the mentally ill get the help they need. I've another escort friend who volunteers at a hospice.

 

>I suppose there could be a certain excitement in doing a job

>in which one is constantly in danger of being arrested.

 

Sure, that's just part of the thrill though.

 

>>Thanks again for your continued support of my opinion.

 

>It's the least I can do. Your posts have certainly confirmed

>certain opinions that I have long held.

 

Not that you ever need anyone to confirm your opinions, but glad to have helped.

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[woodlawn]

>>I'm a little confused by your posts.

 

>No you're not.

 

To quote another escort who posts here frequently, you have no idea what I think or feel.

 

>There is no actual victim other than the city of Reynoldsburg,

>whose "morals" this ordinance was intended to protect.

 

Which means the people of that community, who want the right to control the operation of sex businesses in their community. Don't they count? Aren't they human beings? Don't they have any right to say what should go on in their community?

 

 

>First of all, God,

 

 

Which religion is it that says banning prostitution violates anyone's privacy?

 

>second, The right to privacy is not

>mentioned in the constitution, the Supreme Court has said that

>several of the amendments create this right. One of the

>amendments is the Fourth Amendment, which stops the police and

>other government agents from searching us or our property

>without "probable cause" to believe that we have committed a

>crime. Other amendments protect our freedom to make CERTAIN

>DECISIONS ABOUT OUR LIVES AND BODIES WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM

>THE GOVERNMENT!

 

 

And what does any of that have to do with laws against operating a sex business without a license?

 

>Try to follow here,

 

Didn't you just deny that I am confused?

 

 

I believe that in their enforcement of

>this ordinance, the police were overzealous. In order to

>enforce laws that

>pertain to "adult entertainment" or prostitution the police

>usually have to invade your privacy.

 

 

They do? But aren't almost all prostitution busts sting operations in which either the "john" or the "prostitute" is really a cop? That's what happened in your case, as you describe it. So whose privacy is being invaded?

 

 

>Yes, I do recommend this when your privacy is violated when

>pertains your own body. Adults should be able to ingest

>whatever they want in private and do whatever they want

>sexually with another consenting adult(even when money is

>exchanged). It's a form of civil disobedience.

 

 

That's clearer. Thanks.

 

>I'm not going to play your little word game, bub. Talking to

>someone who parses words like you do is useless. You're so

>busy dissecting that you never see the whole picture.

 

Other than the fact that you knowingly and deliberately broke the law and got busted, what part of the "picture" am I missing? When you accuse someone else of being "duplicitous" it makes me curious about your own standards of conduct. For example, when you said that you would ask Hooboy to disable your reviews here, what was the purpose of that? Not to conceal the truth about anything, surely?

 

>You're free to read what you want into it, but I NEVER said

>all attorneys are "duplicitous".

 

True. You just said that if someone is duplicitous he would make a good attorney. What am I "reading into" that?

 

>Happy to surprise you. Perhaps you should get out more and

>interact with more of a variety of people (or any other human

>beings for that matter).

 

If I want your advice, I'll be sure to let you know, never fear.

 

 

>Yes, I do. I have a friend who's worked as a stripper (now as

>an escort) who has bought several properties in blighted areas

>and fixed them up. He's provided low-cost housing to the poor.

 

He does this gratis, with no compensation for himself? That is wonderful.

 

>Sure, that's just part of the thrill though.

 

Interesting.

 

>Not that you ever need anyone to confirm your opinions, but

>glad to have helped.

 

I meet a lot of people who are involved in crime. The vast majority of them fit a particular mold. I have yet to see anything on this board to suggest that the opinions I've formed as a result of this experience are inaccurate. But I keep looking.

[Guest jeffOH]

>To quote another escort who posts here frequently, you have no

>idea what I think or feel.

 

Sorry to imply that you think or feel.

 

>>There is no actual victim other than the city of

>Reynoldsburg,

>>whose "morals" this ordinance was intended to protect.

>

>Which means the people of that community, who want the right

>to control the operation of sex businesses in their community.

> Don't they count? Aren't they human beings? Don't they have

>any right to say what should go on in their community?

 

It's their supposed "morality" that has been codified, not mine. Yes, but their "community" shouldn't extend to our bedrooms, wombs, or any other private setting in which 2 or more consenting adults are involved.

 

>>First of all, God,

 

>Which religion is it that says banning prostitution violates

>anyone's privacy?

 

I don't subscribe to any one religion. God talks to me, just as he does to Pat Robertson and that old man in the Vatican.

 

>>second, The right to privacy is not

>>mentioned in the constitution, the Supreme Court has said

>that

>>several of the amendments create this right. One of the

>>amendments is the Fourth Amendment, which stops the police

>and

>>other government agents from searching us or our property

>>without "probable cause" to believe that we have committed a

>>crime. Other amendments protect our freedom to make CERTAIN

>>DECISIONS ABOUT OUR LIVES AND BODIES WITHOUT INTERFERENCE

>FROM

>>THE GOVERNMENT!

 

>And what does any of that have to do with laws against

>operating a sex business without a license?

 

Plenty, these are "crimes" that normally occur out of sight of the community. The community would normally never know about them otherwise. In order to enforce most of these ordinances, ESPECIALLY when applied against individuals and not actual businesses located in

physical structures, an individual's privacy is violated.

 

 

>>Try to follow here,

>

>Didn't you just deny that I am confused?

 

Yet another invitation to enter the MAZE, no thanks!

 

>But aren't almost all prostitution busts sting

>operations in which either the "john" or the "prostitute" is

>really a cop? That's what happened in your case, as you

>describe it. So whose privacy is being invaded?

 

My privacy WAS violated. Otherwise this would have been yet another situation between consenting adults which should have been of no concern to anyone else in the world.

 

>>I'm not going to play your little word game, bub. Talking to

>>someone who parses words like you do is useless. You're so

>>busy dissecting that you never see the whole picture.

>

>Other than the fact that you knowingly and deliberately broke

>the law and got busted, what part of the "picture" am I

>missing?

 

You're so locked into a rigid framework of laws/words and into your own belief system that it limits your ability to see situations from a truly authentic perspective.

 

 

>When you accuse someone else of being "duplicitous"

>it makes me curious about your own standards of conduct. For

>example, when you said that you would ask Hooboy to disable

>your reviews here, what was the purpose of that?

 

You're making that up. I NEVER said I would ask Hooboy to disable my reviews. I was POLITELY responding to Flower's suggestion. I said I would "consider" it, I did and I'm NOT asking Hooboy to disable my reviews.

 

>True. You just said that if someone is duplicitous he would

>make a good attorney.

 

I did NOT say that if "someone" is "duplicitous" he would make a good attorney. Quote me word for word where I say this. I said this was a quality that my ex exhibited in our relationship and expressed my opinion that this may benefit HIM as an attorney.

 

>What am I "reading into" that?

 

Who knows?

 

 

>>Happy to surprise you. Perhaps you should get out more and

>>interact with more of a variety of people (or any other

>human

>>beings for that matter).

>

>If I want your advice, I'll be sure to let you know, never

>fear.

>

>

>>Yes, I do. I have a friend who's worked as a stripper (now

>as

>>an escort) who has bought several properties in blighted

>areas

>>and fixed them up. He's provided low-cost housing to the

>poor.

>

>He does this gratis, with no compensation for himself? That

>is wonderful.

 

He charges people less rent than he could get otherwise.

 

>>Sure, that's just part of the thrill though.

>

>Interesting.

 

Yes, it is, isn't it?

 

>I meet a lot of people who are involved in crime. The vast

>majority of them fit a particular mold.

>I have yet to see

>anything on this board to suggest that the opinions I've

>formed as a result of this experience are inaccurate.

 

That's not likely to ever happen.

 

>But I

>keep looking.

 

Good Luck!

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com