Marc Dylan--New Thread

[rguer]

I don't object to Marc requiring weight proportional to height - I would as a client - but it still seems ambiguous to me. What is HWP, anyway? A BMI < 20? < 25? <30?

 

He might be missing a guy like in #5 here:

 

http://thebillfold.com/2012/10/how-my-danish-friend-paid-off-his-debt-by-becoming-a-gay-prostitute/

 

But that's what us near-elderly somewhat-out-of-shape guys always say. "If only he'd have sex with ME, he'd know how wrong he is!" Right.

 

Hang in there, Marc, it's your life to enjoy, not someone else's.

[Marc Dylan]

I don't object to Marc requiring weight proportional to height - I would as a client - but it still seems ambiguous to me. What is HWP, anyway? A BMI < 20? < 25? <30?

 

He might be missing a guy like in #5 here:

 

http://thebillfold.com/2012/10/how-my-danish-friend-paid-off-his-debt-by-becoming-a-gay-prostitute/

 

But that's what us near-elderly somewhat-out-of-shape guys always say. "If only he'd have sex with ME, he'd know how wrong he is!" Right.

 

Hang in there, Marc, it's your life to enjoy, not someone else's.

 

You are very right , which is why i prefer to have that conversation WITH TH CLIENT rather than put HWP only in my ad. First of all it may deter someone who thinks they are overweight because of only a few extra pounds , hey like i said its REASONABLY HWP not looking for everyone to be a fitness model. I do think someone who was loaded with muscle would probably not be concerned with fitting the standard of HWP. Most people know thats the most tactful way to phrase what could be an offensive statement, i dont think bodybuilders are worried their BMI is unappealing. Thanks for the nice reply BTW. wow BTW, BMI , HWP..... OMG its the post of ACRONYMS

[Frequentflier]

If you would like to see how I look feel free to skype , by the way I dont beg anyone for anything . If someone isnt interested I would simply move on never beg.

 

Funny bones are sold in Aisle 6 and the store takes credit cards....max one out

 

Nothing to see here...move along....

[Marc Dylan]

have a good evening.

[ErieBear]

I also want to leave you with some encouragement. Even if he isn't your cup of tea, Rod Hagen, an escort I never met, has an incredible ad running on rent boy. In is ad he states "...No man is too old, too young, too big, too small, too shy for my bed..." Gar1eth, the man who will make you feel accepted and good is out there. Rod Hagen (and other professional escorts like you), thank you for your beautiful words, and for offering the clients out there that have very little self confidence an opportunity for a moment of happiness in an otherwise cruel world.

 

I for one will vouch for Rod Hagan. Super nice guy and (even though I'm a bottom) he has an ass that's incredibly muscular and is just beautiful to look at (not to mention touch)! And I am NO where near HWP either.

[Walker1]

Well as a hairy, fat guy, I think it is ok. Much better warn me ahead than accept and then go through the motions or as in the other thread, take the money and run away!

 

It could be hurtful and I guess I am more leaning in the direction of seeing the ad upfront, so one does not have to contact, rather than contacting and finding out later. But I guess to each his own.

[+ Gar1eth]

.... Now Gar, you know I have always been supportive of you, and have always felt you are hardest on yourself, and I do hope that venting about Marc has made you feel better. Has it ???? Somehow I think that even IF the escort was VERY specific in his ad, a fixated client would still contact him and hope that the escort would accept his offer. Some introspection is definitely in order and would do ALL of us some good.

 

First off I want to again repeat that Marc has been nothing but kind in his texts to me. He sounds like a great guy. I want to protest about the label of ' Marc Bashing'. It was not a personal vendetta. But over the years that I've been using the Forum- the useful information seems to have gotten less and less. Not that it isn't still helpful in specific cases- but as a general trend- the helpfulness has decreased. It's why I have almost completely stopped looking at the Muscle Service Forum on Escorts because you almost never see useful information pop up. So many of the users over there are so in love with their favorite guys and so afraid of being shut out if they say something wrong, that the Forum there is the next best thing to useless.

 

I realize that there might not be a delicate way to state you only want to see HWP in an ad- but I wish I had had some pre-warning as I probably wouldn't have contacted him the same way I don't contact Rod Hagen, Branden Steele, or Juan Bruno's partner Thor. I would love to meet them, but they are all strict tops. If I had had some inkling I would have just passed Marc off as one of the many I can't meet- assuming I ever get a job again and can meet guys on a regular basis. Why you ask did I even call Marc if I'm in dire financial straits, well I have a little money- and I really needed a pick me up.

 

As to Marc's mention that guys in good shape hire too, obviously. But I would say there is a large contingent of non HWP people like me who hire from necessity. That doesn't mean I dislike hiring, I've met some very nice people because of hiring like Tyger from Portland, Raul Manzo from Chicago, Andrew Justice from Peoria, Romann currently of Chicago and many others. But the truth is for me- and I'll bet I'm not the only one out there- and I'll go even further and bet there are more than a just a few of us- the main reason I started hiring to begin with was that no one else was really interested.

 

I appreciate the vote of confidence JJ that I'm not as bad as I depict myself- and it's true I'm not hideous. If I were straight I think I'm a cute enough guy though chubby that some young or middle aged fairly attractive woman would love to take care of me- or at least might have if I still had my previous job. But the fact is I'm gay, and we-myself included - seem to be in general a lot more discriminating and picky regarding outward appearances. If we weren't, then my luck at meeting people at Clubs or on the apps wouldn't be so dismal. As it is almost no one is ever interested in meeting me. So it's not that I want to paint myself in a bad light appearance -wise, but it's brought home to me almost everytime I go online with the apps or go to a club. Some guys got it- like you JJ - if you are still finding the young ones the same way you were before my almost 12 month sabbatical from the board-but that is so not my experience as a middle aged gay male that you and I might as well live on different planets.

 

 

The last thing I want to say before I bid this thread I started adieu is maybe I was wrong to start it. I definitely thought long and hard before I did. Maybe I made the wrong choice. I am still not sure. I definitely have no vendetta against Marc- I'm disappointed that it looks like I might never be his type- because I'm at a low point in my life - and he would have been a nice diversion for an hour or two. On the other hand- I still think that this Forum ought to provide real information. It's a quandary for me. At least I'm willing to admit I might have been wrong to start this thread which is a lot more than many others would do.

 

And who knows- while I am definitely not HWP- maybe I might be within Marc's limits of tolerance. But I doubt it. I'll have to talk with him further. But I want to end this thread as I started it saying that Marc has been totally decent and upfront in his communication with me. So for those of you who are HWP, and if Marc floats your boat- I would definitely investigate seeing him as he seems to be-if you will pardon the expression- a straight shooter. And we know that's not always as common as we might wish it in the hiring game.

 

Exeunt!!!

 

Gman

[Okliehomo]

Gareth....

 

Has been "accepted and made to feel good".. Plenty, plenty, plenty... This ain't his first time at the rodeo. He's been in the saddle...um... plenty of times. He has been at this as long as I have... with much success. From what I read in the original post, he was not attacking Marc Dylan. He just expressed an opinion that he wished that his ad had read that he was only offering massage at this time and that he had a preference for HWP guys. And had the ad stated massage only, then Gareth wouldn't have contacted him in the first place and the whole HWP thing wouldn't even have come up... since Marc has made it pretty clear that it is only an issue when he is escorting.

 

Marc Dylan has every right to run his business as he chooses. His body, his time and he is the only one that has the right to set the price both on that time and his very hot body and oh so pretty ass. And we all can make business decisions based on that. Yea... free enterprise and hats off to capitalism!! And Marc's ass....

 

Gareth was not trying to ruin anyone's business. He related an experience, expressed his feelings about an interaction and how he thought, in his opinion, how he wished it had been handled differently. What's wrong with that? Ain't that the purpose of this gentleman's club, after all?

 

Marc Dylan behaved like a gentleman... and so did Gareth... but some of the rest of yous..

 

Geez..... if flames were thrown, it wasn't Gareth that lit the torch.

 

Okie

 

PS.... Rod Hagan... no travel ever? EVER?

[jjkrkwood]

I appreciate the vote of confidence JJ that I'm not as bad as I depict myself- and it's true I'm not hideous. If I were straight I think I'm a cute enough guy though chubby that some young or middle aged fairly attractive woman would love to take care of me- or at least might have if I still had my previous job. But the fact is I'm gay, and we-myself included - seem to be in general a lot more discriminating and picky regarding outward appearances. If we weren't, then my luck at meeting people at Clubs or on the apps wouldn't be so dismal. As it is almost no one is ever interested in meeting me. So it's not that I want to paint myself in a bad light appearance -wise, but it's brought home to me almost everytime I go online with the apps or go to a club. Some guys got it- like you JJ - if you are still finding the young ones the same way you were before my almost 12 month sabbatical from the board-but that is so not my experience as a middle aged gay male that you and I might as well live on different planets.

 

Gar, we ALL face rejection in our lives. Some of it may be more obvious than others, and even the most gorgeous guy will tell you there have been people that werent attracted to him. But the key is confidence, and always go after what you want, even if in some cases you are shot down. Noone wants to be with someone that doesnt value themsleves. Just because I mention being with a "young one", that doesnt mean there werent 25 other youngins before him that rejected me. But the thing to take away here is that althought you may hire escorts because of low confidence, that doesnt mean the escort doesnt have his own choices to make, and whether he was upfront about it in his ad or not, it shouldnt send you into a tailspin. You are purchasing an hour of his time, NOT his soul, or his heart, and in most cases when the encounter is over, its Over and he may not even remember you. Its no big deal. But its HIS choice to make.

[jawjateck]

Hey G-man.....I affirm your original post and thread; there's nothing wrong with it, nor your intent. This forum is still primarily about escorts, sharing information, and swapping ideas for the purpose of having a good time with a compatible provider. I understand what you're saying, and appreciate discussions like this; it ALWAYS helps clients to make informed hiring decisions. The extent to which some posters want to suppress honest exchange has resulted in a decline in the utility of this forum. If gushing praise of an escort were the only perspective allowed here, this forum would serve zero purpose. The contrarian point-of-view is essential. To have a true competitive marketplace, there must always be someone on the other side of the trade. The fact that you write very detailed posts and offer insight about yourself speaks highly of you; you try to be clear in what you mean and how you feel. You don't owe any justification for how you feel or the information you seek by using the forum. And by all means, sort through this garbage, and don't let it get to you or into you.

 

Keep posting and happy hunting!

[operalover21]

Has been "accepted and made to feel good".. Plenty, plenty, plenty... This ain't his first time at the rodeo. He's been in the saddle...um... plenty of times. He has been at this as long as I have... with much success. From what I read in the original post, he was not attacking Marc Dylan. He just expressed an opinion that he wished that his ad had read that he was only offering massage at this time and that he had a preference for HWP guys. And had the ad stated massage only, then Gareth wouldn't have contacted him in the first place and the whole HWP thing wouldn't even have come up... since Marc has made it pretty clear that it is only an issue when he is escorting.

 

Marc Dylan has every right to run his business as he chooses. His body, his time and he is the only one that has the right to set the price both on that time and his very hot body and oh so pretty ass. And we all can make business decisions based on that. Yea... free enterprise and hats off to capitalism!! And Marc's ass....

 

Gareth was not trying to ruin anyone's business. He related an experience, expressed his feelings about an interaction and how he thought, in his opinion, how he wished it had been handled differently. What's wrong with that? Ain't that the purpose of this gentleman's club, after all?

 

Marc Dylan behaved like a gentleman... and so did Gareth... but some of the rest of yous..

 

Geez..... if flames were thrown, it wasn't Gareth that lit the torch.

 

Okie

 

PS.... Rod Hagan... no travel ever? EVER?

 

Lighting the torch -- as has been pointed out -- was starting the thread in the first place when there had already been 2 thread about Marc Dylan started in the past 2 weeks. What was the point of that if not to ignite another flame war?

 

There does seem to be a "thread" subtletly running through all of these threads that is unspoken but palpably there and that is: "I have a right to hire anyone I choose and if he dare say no or not treat me in the kindest way (hint: the way I deserve to be treated) then I have the right to go online and publicly talk about it."

 

VERY SAD.

[tyro]

Well...

We do have the right to go online and publicly talk about it.

T

[jjkrkwood]

Well...

We do have the right to go online and publicly talk about it.

T

 

Sure we do, but we also need to "tweak" our perception!

[buckguy]

There have been multiple threads about Marc Dylan, because clients are curious about him given his meteroic rise in the porn biz and travel (which has made him more accessible to the rest of us; he's been experimenting, if you will, with various forms of pricing and customer preferences; and it's unlikely we'd see this with someone whose profile is more obscure. Not everyone is heappy with his business practices, but he's been able to join the conversation in a more constructive way than his "Greek chorus" of fans who seem to want to shut down the conversation rather than let it run its course, but ironically have poured gasoline on the flames. One thread had a snarky start, this one didn't. The Board does exist to exchange information and if someone is in demand but has a curious business model, we should know about it.

 

Escorts and clients face a fairly imperfect "market". The supply of clients and escorts varies by place. There is very limited transparency beyond photographs, ads and exchanges of info by internet or phone. Both parties get unhappy surprises and unscrupulous business practices from time to time. The exchange of info here mitigates some of that. The "Deli" is a place to discuss escorts (I beleive that's the title), so no one should be surprised if that's what people do.

[CHIberia]

I don't want to single out Marc Dylan on this at all, I think the poor guy has been sufficiently polarized at this point.

But I do think that being upfront in ads about hwp and any changes in services is very important. For most of us, being physically screened by an escort, no matter how politely approached, just isn't right. All this can be avoided by being upfront. Sure, some wary clients might be lost, but I think its better than the alternative, which is potentially insulting people that are already insecure, and end up creating bad word-of-mouth that does more damage anyways.

I'm personally young and in good shape. Since I have a little extra spending money, and because I'm too busy to play games, its fun to have a romp with an escort. But when they ask me for a pic or stats, I automatically cancel. Just rubs me the wrong way.

[unsub2O17]

Okay. I liked Marc's look, and I liked his original posting. I emailed him "exactly" who and what I was--age, height, weight, the whole deal. I told him what I thought would be a good encounter for us. AND I also said that I wouldn't melt if he said "no". He answered promptly, politely, and positively. He quoted me a rate that I thought was fair, and I'm looking forward to our time together in about a month. What else is there to say? We "pays our money and we takes our choice"!

[bigvalboy]

Okay. I liked Marc's look, and I liked his original posting. I emailed him "exactly" who and what I was--age, height, weight, the whole deal. I told him what I thought would be a good encounter for us. AND I also said that I wouldn't melt if he said "no". He answered promptly, politely, and positively. He quoted me a rate that I thought was fair, and I'm looking forward to our time together in about a month. What else is there to say? We "pays our money and we takes our choice"!

 

Well I completely agree here. I contacted him also, in part because of how I felt he conducted himself here on the forum.

I have already made arrangements to fly to in San Francisco to meet him. In his initial emails he has been nothing short of perfectly charming, funny, engaging, and it has been like chatting with an old friend, and so I am personally looking forward to meeting him. We are currently arguing over whether or not he will let me pay for his dinner. Sounds like a true 'Southern gentleman' to me, and for the record, he never once asked for my stats or as someone said "hwp"...I jokingly offered them to him and it all seemed to be a non-issue. I will of course write a review....Night all.

[Guy Fawkes]

I said: "Yawn!"

http://ireckonthat.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/yawn.jpg

[JT Brooklyn]

I said: "Yawn!"

http://ireckonthat.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/yawn.jpg

 

Amen!

[Okliehomo]

For God's sake, boys....

 

You all act like Gareth portrayed Marc Dylan as some kind of con artist or scammer. He didn't and he isn't. He related his experience and how he wished it had been handled differently. That's it. There was no personal attack.

 

And he has the right to share it without being vilified himself.

 

Or this gentleman's club is rather pointless, isn't it?

 

And maybe it really is anymore. Few escorts post here... because I think it really doesn't matter to them, business wise. Because it really isn't all the harsh words that drive them away.... because we fucking anoint them half the time whether they deserve it or not.... they are not here, because it's not translating into $$$$..

 

And who really cares if they post here anyway??

 

This site was about us being able to have a free and open discussion about them.

 

Was..... being the operative word.

 

And who knows, friends.. given the nature of this place these days, Marc Dylan will be Escort of the Year, and given his ass, he's got my vote (well, except for Thor).... It's not like he purposely stood up a client 3 times... No, then, he would only qualify for Newcomer of the Year..

 

Okie

[down_to_business]

Great thread and discussion. Thanks to almost everyone for their thoughts and opinions.

 

Marc- I think you handled yourself very well, appreciated your comments, agree with some of the things you said, but as a client I would never subject myself to your scruitiny for acceptance or rejection as a client. Thats just not for me or how I want to do business. Being asked for my stats or pics etc doesn't sit right with me either and I simply lose any and all interest in hiring anyone who it does matter to. I think you have every right to operate your business as you see fit and select whoever you want as clients to see based on whatever criteria you want to. After all "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone".

 

Okie- thanks for your comments-- well said.

 

Opera, while I am sure you don't care, I had to stop reading your posts- something I rarely do. You appear to be the new bully on this board.

 

Gar- great thread, good discussion, I learned a lot from it. Hang in there. You have nothing to apologize for- you did nothing wrong.

[adriano46]

I said: "Yawn!"

http://ireckonthat.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/yawn.jpg

 

Double AMEN, Daddy!

[wayout]

I do agree with dtb and okie for the most part. My only exception is to the comment by okie "And who really cares if they (escorts) post here anyway??". While I can see why some would share that sentiment, I actually get quite a bit out of many escorts posts and learn quite a bit. In some ways, I think I've become a better client and had better encounters because of things I've learned from escorts posts here on the board. I do wish more would post but perhaps you are correct that it isn't worth the potential downside (reactions they may get) or doesn't really generate much business (if that is a major objective of them posting here).

[operalover21]

You all act like Gareth portrayed Marc Dylan as some kind of con artist or scammer. He didn't and he isn't. He related his experience and how he wished it had been handled differently. That's it. There was no personal attack.

 

And he has the right to share it without being vilified himself.

 

Or this gentleman's club is rather pointless, isn't it?

 

And maybe it really is anymore. Few escorts post here... because I think it really doesn't matter to them, business wise. Because it really isn't all the harsh words that drive them away.... because we fucking anoint them half the time whether they deserve it or not.... they are not here, because it's not translating into $$$$..

 

And who really cares if they post here anyway??

 

This site was about us being able to have a free and open discussion about them.

 

Was..... being the operative word.

 

And who knows, friends.. given the nature of this place these days, Marc Dylan will be Escort of the Year, and given his ass, he's got my vote (well, except for Thor).... It's not like he purposely stood up a client 3 times... No, then, he would only qualify for Newcomer of the Year..

 

Okie

 

I agree one has the right to share it but ... it ends there. One certainly doesn't have the right to share someone without expecting that one could be vilified or at least challenged. That's what occurred. Free speech goes both ways, I'm afraid.

[+ Gar1eth]

A final note on what seems to be the final concern of this thread--of Escorts posting. I have to say I don't mind as long as it is not just a seladvertisement/ product placement to get their name out front, If they truly have something appropriate and it's not all about self aggrandizement then I'm all for them contributing. But as has been noted before--if an escort exhibits an awkward personalitly or states beliefs the rest of us Don't like--it can ruin the fantasy fur us and loose the escort business. For example if I found out an escort was voting for ROmney--he's have to look like a greek god for me to hire him--or at least wait until after the election.

 

Gmna