WTF is so great about brian

[taylorky]

we just finished watching queer as folk.........i know i know it's a piece of shit show about a bunch of shallow alcoholic irrelevant fags.....but it's entertaining in a freak show kind of way. anyway can someone tell me what is so special about the lead freak...brian...we don't get it......the guy is a geek >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[VaHawk]

>i know

>it's a piece of shit show about a bunch of shallow alcoholic

>irrelevant fags

 

Come on taylorky, this is a very intolerant, very naive, very offensive statement. Just because some of the action in the show takes place in a gay club with dance boys and a backroom, doesn't mean the characters are alcoholic. These types of gay clubs do exist and always have and the fact that people go there does not make those people either alcoholic or irrelevant and your use of "fags" is in this context is one hell of a lot more offensive than the use of "str8 acting" in another thread, that you found totally offensive and derogatory.

 

It is also not just about "fags" as there is also an ongoing lesbian realtionship that is portrayed and a PFLAG mom as played by Sharon Gless. Does it represent the entire gay community? No, but it explicity states that at the beginning of every episode.

 

....but it's entertaining in a freak show kind

>of way. anyway can someone tell me what is so special about

>the lead freak...brian...we don't get it......the guy is a

>geek >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Once again your use of the term "freak" is offensive and inappropriate. You are only 20 years old and have, "just my guess" never been out in the big city gay scene or even, inferring from your previous posts, fully explored your own gay sexuality. Just my personal take on things, but when you post offensive "crap" like this after posting "good points" on other topics, it comes across loud and clear that you do have a lot of "growing up" to do. That is not meant to be a criticism or a put down, just an observation, that applies to all young people regardless of their sexual orientation.

 

As far as Brian goes, I also "don't get it" as I have never known any guy who was so horny that he could do it as often as that character does or was "so hot" that no matter what the occassion or the situation, every one just "has to get it on with him". A really, really overblown depiction of the so called "jaded, promiscuously sexual gay male stereotype).

[+ deej]

Taylor, Taylor, Taylor.....

 

For the rest of your life, you'll be asking "what's so special about...."

 

That's life. Some guys just know how to get whatever they want whenever they want it. (Your first job in a big corporate environment will convince you of it.) It's real life.

 

The show *tries* periodically to put a human face on the walking pricks of this world, but as you see it isn't easy.

 

Just take that show as the "Dynasty" of the 00's. That's really all it is. It's a soap opera that sometimes tries to show some reality.

 

Unfortunately, its critics attack the WRONG reality the show tries to expose. Critics skip over issues like HIV, gay bashing, and descrimination that the show actually covers well and focus on fucking like jackrabbits and all that's wrong with it.

 

I don't happen to think there's anything wrong with fucking like jackrabbits, but there IS an audience for that attitude and sadly it's what sells advertising.

[eastbayguy]

>we just finished watching queer as folk.........i know i know

>it's a piece of shit show about a bunch of shallow alcoholic

>irrelevant fags.....but it's entertaining in a freak show kind

>of way. anyway can someone tell me what is so special about

>the lead freak...brian...we don't get it......the guy is a

>geek >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Thank you for pointing this out. Not only is Brian a geek, he's a geek with a dysfunctional personality, irritating and annoying to boot. OK, so the guy's character can fuck anyone once, treat them like crap and still get bed partners. In the real world, I don't think it works that way for long for very many people. You can't be a heel indefiniately and not have someone call you on it. Word gets around.

 

Distressing to me is the number of young gay men who think Bryan is the bee's knees (old Kansas expression) and want to be just like their hero. Revolting.

 

So maybe the Brian character is doing exactly what the writers intended--stirring up a little controversy and getting people talking. That's OK. But, I have to agree that a little of Brian goes a long way with me.

 

--EBG

[BewareofNick]

i always thought Brian Kinney was based on FFF when he was that age. Granted that was a few decades ago, but still...

[Flower]

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] Actually I like the show a lot. I think it represents a real segment of the gay population. I could do without the drugs they seem to have injected to a bigger extent recently, but most of the characters give pretty good depictions of some of the people I know and like. Very few TV series or movies are very true to life, so why should a gay based series be any different? :+

 

As for Brian, I think he is hot, but I really like Emmett and that new Ethan is pretty damn cute too }(

 

I think it deals with a lot of real and important gay issues like HIV, adoption, having kids, discrimination, and close friendships and jealousies--I truly feel it's a segment at least, of what you'd find in many large cities with a gay area and gay clubs. Sex is a big part of the show, I think it's a big part of gay life--young and old.

 

Some of my gay friends say they hate the show as it portrays a bad stereotype of gay life, but they watch it, and I could rename a few of them from the cast.

[giovoni]

>I could do without the

>drugs they seem to have injected to a bigger extent recently,

 

I don't watch the show because I never have time on Sunday nights or Tuesday night when it's repeated because of school, work, avalanche hockey or whatever.. However, if you really are tired of the drugs that have become a bigger extent of the show then it must have a little bit of reality in it at least because there seems to be a bigger injection of drugs into gay culture in general lately and certainly in some of my friends. 'If I had a nickel' for everyone who talked to me wanting to PnP (party and play) or for friends of mine who are now swearing by how much fun "tina" is ...... etc

 

As for Brian.. from what he's described as, there is one of 'him' in every city or crowd... not the hottest or most charismatic but you always see him with a hottie on his arm and wonder what he's GOT to always have what he wants. I suppose its frustrating being anyone but THAT guy lol, (no I've never been that guy and don't expect to be)

 

BTW is there a character in the show who is overweight, very funny has a LOUD laugh that is absolutely contagious, and is called 'mama' by everyone else? if not when will there be??

 

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[+ Lucky]

Brian is just one obnoxious character in a whole cast of them. The show lost me when they added the baby.

[AaronScottDC]

I have never been a fan of Brian, either. I don't think he looks particularly hot, nor do I like his charater's attitude or demeanor. But, I do like Justin and I think his new boyfriend, the artist guy, is really hot!! I would love to be in a three way with the two of them! }( Maybe I will have to take a trip to Toronto to hang out on the set for a while. Has anyone up there ever seen some of the gay actors in the bars or clubs? They must go out sometime, right?

 

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[Flower]

> But, I do like Justin and I think his new

>boyfriend, the artist guy, is really hot!!

 

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] Justin is the artist and I think he is cute, but his new bf is the violinist, and I agree, the hotest of the group}(

[Guest Bitchboy]

Brian - definitely not hot, but then I never got Ben Afleck either. What really appals me most of all is the acting. I love a pretty butt and that keeps me semi-transfixed (yes, Justin's new boyfriend is the best "regular" ass on the show), but the "unreality" of it all and the sophmore level of acting gives my fast forward button a lot of wear and tear.

 

Poor Sharon Gless, I remember her WITHOUT the Lucy fright wig and WITH the great storylines of Cagney and Lacey. What some of us have to do to make a buck!

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

The QAF debate rages on

 

I kept up with the initial season, even bought it on DVD to rewatch what i had possibly missed, but the love affair ended there. In the coming seasons, which have subsequently shifted from the UK plotline, i've found the show to be completely two-dimensional in character development.

 

Honestly, the only characters i find worth watching anymore are the two lesbians, who IMO are the most well-rounded, dynamic characters on the show. The advent of an OnDemand cable system has allowed me to catch up with some of the recent shows though~ Am i the only one who truly detests Michael as just a whiny, tempermental brat? Emmit embodies the feminine side of gay men without all of that bitchy-backstabbing baggage~ something i've come to appreciate about his character. Brian is Brian, the stereotypical 'love me or go fuck yourself' rebel-without-a-cause. Justin just needs a haircut. Debbie is as lovable as ever from what i can see & it's nice they're expanding her plotline a little more into somewhat of a romantic relationship. Maybe it's me, maybe it's memories of old 'Cagney & Lacey' reruns... She's fun to watch.

 

Ted was a truly sad character to me in the beginning. From the look of things, he's now opening up into a relationship, but for awhile i just got depressed watching his relentless plight for companionship. I know it's a reality in the gay world, but it's still painful to watch. Vic seems to have vanished, so i'm just waiting for the season finale to bring him back in a hospital bed.

 

Unfortunately, this show rides on mainstream stereotypes at times & the plotlines are becoming horribly predictable. Is this to say we should can the show althgether? Of course not. Possibly just get some new writing blood in there so Showtime can keep the money-machine going. It would boggle your minds if you knew how much Showtime was making off of the series... advertising, personal appearances, product tie-ins. The phrase 'hand over fist' comes to mind. Not a bad thing, considering the advertising term DINK (Double Income, No Kids) has applied to the gay community for years.

 

What it comes down to is it's better to have this show than nothing at all. In my experiences with friends who watch regularly (gay & straight), they always seem to have a good time and keep coming back to the next episode. I suppose i can't have my cake and eat it too, so i'll just settle for what Showtime is dishing out

 

 

 

 

Warmest Regards,

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Guest Kenny021]

Well, I just can't resist putting in my 2 cents worth. THE SHOW IS ONE BIG PIECE OF SHIT. Completely unrealistic characters (except Justin and the new boyfriend....and I'm sure the writers will soon fuck that up too).I completely agree with the original poster and his comments. Fortunately I strongly suspect that the only audience this show gets is the gay audience. If any straight people watch this, I would hate to see their impression of gay people.

I can't quite decide which one of the characters is the most detestable: Michael who is so whiney that you just want to put him in his closet with the door closed FOREVER, Brian who I would like to see an answer to the original question of why he's such a stud? I can't possibly imagine this guy having one friend. The TWO LOVE BIRDS, Ted and Emmet who make me want to throw up whenever they carry one, Debbie: The P-flag mother who is so far out that she's a joke (the scene where she is taught to suck a cock WAS VERY FUNNY but I suspect was meant to be serious). The lesbians are not particularly interesting and ONLY JUSTIN and the new boyfriend have a semblance of sanity. The writing on this show defies comprehension.

And yet, I keep watching....only to see if it could possibly get worse. And you know what? Each week, it does.

[Rod Hagen]

I like Brian, I find him amusing. It's a challenge to create and maintain a character who's an asshole, but still, inexplicably, likeable (think Jack in "As Good As It Gets") and I think the writers have done just that in him. "We have something you don't." Brian's response: "Anal Warts?" he's a good smartass, and I always like a good smartass.

 

Initially I was amazed that the actor, supposedly straight, who plays Michael was so comfortable getting intimate with his first "Old Man" boyfriend. But now that he's repeated so often on Larry King, magazine interviews, etc., that he IS uncomfortable, extremely, during those shows, I've noticed that on this and last season, there's a lot fewer moments of him being genuinely affectionate. That annoys me.

 

The lesbians are fine with me. They give the writers an outlet for disposable issues-of-the-month.

 

I think that the Emmet is a strong character, femmy but self assured. His BF, and best friend, does a good-boring gay, for a straight actor that can't be easy, they tend to prefer to do it over the top.

 

And come one, no matter how much you hate the show, when's the last time you saw a gay man laying on a kitchen table, legs in the air, and vcovered with both of their sperm (without a DVD movie fed in)? That kind of FUCK YOU STRAIGHT PEOPLE, if you don't like the show switch, attitude has to count for something. It does in my book.

 

I tune in every Sunday, not because I like the show so much, but in the hopes that perhaps in this episode Justin will bend over to tie his shoe in the middle of the street and SUDDENLY a steamroller will crush him from foot to head (think Stephen King's "Maximum Overdrive", the controversial scene that was deleted in some countries...but not ours). And when his beatnik BF runs out to mourn, he's mawled by an escaped Bangel Tiger.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Bravo Rod... Great post

 

Although already in Season 3, i feel that QAF won't be around much longer or at least with the same characters. In several interviews Gale Harold (Brian) has said that he doesn't want to be typecast for the remainder of his acting career as a gay man. Personally, i think it would be a solid move for him and other actors on the show to find greener pasture when the time comes. If not, they sadly may end up in the same situation as the Cheers, Cosby, etc casts did.

 

I mean, really, who doesn't look at Bebe Newurth and think of Lillith? Well... except for those of us who see her as the quinessential Velma Kelly, but that's another story

 

 

 

Warmest Regards,

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[eastbayguy]

>Well, I just can't resist putting in my 2 cents worth. THE

>SHOW IS ONE BIG PIECE OF SHIT. Completely unrealistic

>characters (except Justin and the new boyfriend....and I'm

>sure the writers will soon fuck that up too).I completely

>agree with the original poster and his comments. Fortunately I

>strongly suspect that the only audience this show gets is the

>gay audience. If any straight people watch this, I would hate

>to see their impression of gay people.

 

A friend of mine is a wheel at Showtime, runs their research and audience reaction department. I asked him a bunch of questions a while back about QasF. From what he said, QasF on Showtime draws the biggest shares of its audience from 18-25 year old gay men and from straight women. The reactions they measure from straight women as to why they watch are all over the board. Reactions include watching a soap opera where women aren't the stupid characters to liking the boys bodies.

 

--EBG

[+ deej]

I'm glad you posted that, ebg. I'd read that a huge portion of their audience was str8 females but couldn't remember where.

 

Most of the complaints (drug use, promiscuity, etc.) smack of whistling past the graveyard. That IS part of gay life. I see a little of someone I know in every character on that show.

 

Complaints about acting are valid, but so are complaints about acting on BAYWATCH yet that show was a HUGE commercial success. With QAF we at least have a show that acknowledges some of the issues that gay men and women face, and exposes them to people who might not otherwise consider them.

[+ Axiom2001]

Flower-- I wholeheartedly applaud your take on the program, especially what you related in paragraphs 1-3.

 

I, too, look forward to watching the show weekly; I'm disturbed by Brian's character, yet I, too, find him sexy in a semi-rough way. His personality would need to be altered if this were "real" life, and if he and I were to meet, but by this being a television program-- I can only attempt to analyze him and feel sorry for those on whom he craps.

 

Yes, Justin's new beau is a "hottie"-- I especially liked the way he and Justin related last week. Lastly, Justin's character seemed to have come into full bloom; this was easily discernible in last week's show. He looks older and seems to have cum into his own since he and Brian apparently are no longer together. I like this independent streak!

 

Well, men-- you can either "luv it or leave it" as was the slogan in the 60s.... (You see-- I am dating myself slightly.) Just beware of week three-- year/season three of this particular show.

[taylorky]

hee hee your right on afleck....him i don't get either....but being the 3.0 hillbilly i am ...what do i know right.....anyway the only characters that seem sane and reasonable are justin and his b/f ian.emorey is pretty cool also......but i stand by my perception of the others as being freaks.i hope that's not being intolerent,well i know it's not.....because i would never attempt to impose my beliefs on other's or deny them the right to be who they are. but with that said ......people that suck and fuck all night long .... every night.... in a bar room. and then spend the non-barroom time ta

lking about last nights fucking and sucking................. well not real stable people.sooooooo if i offended anybody sorry,but we and people we hang with are more like justin and ian.taylorky@21:10-03/19/06

[woodlawn]

You've probably figured this out by now, but every time you post an opinion about something there is going to be at least one poster here who dumps on it and insists that your youth and naivete are responsible for your saying something so ridiculous. If you had never posted any information about your age the same people would be calling you a 'bitter old queen' or words to that effect.

 

I haven't watched the show for a long time. When I did, my take on it was that its characters are not unrepresentative of the people who make up what is called the 'gay scene.' It's a pity so many straights don't realize how mny gay men have nothing to do with that scene.

[VaHawk]

Okay, dude. I personally dislike the Brian character the most on the entire show, and I agree that I don't see what the big physical attraction is supposed to be. I think Justin is the hottest guy on the whole show (now that's surprising come from a Hawk, huh? )

 

As far as physical attraction of the older guys, I find Ted the most attractive.

 

My favorite character on the show is Sharon Gless's as I just love her in everything, and I think her acting is world's above the rest of the entire cast put together.

 

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[Spida]

I think we are all forgetting Brian is a charactor! It is a show! I personally love it! A total no-brainer with great bods, hot guys and some real stuff thrown in there every now and again.

 

Brian is supposed to be the "hottest of the hot" IMHO he really isn't but it is also a matter of attitude that I think they are trying to impress, I just watched the first season on DVD that is the only reason I remember this. But when Justin introducted or showed is friend the girl with the curly hair who Brian was. Her reaction was that one! He is so skinny, and Old! I think they are trying to show you an ATTITUDE I am the best and others will know it!

 

I personally don't get how Michael gets all the hot boyfriends! But I agree Justin and his friend are the hottest. But the flight attendant that Emmit screwed around with last week was HOT!

[guyinsf]

I guess that it is supposed to be Brian's "attitude" (and legend) that makes him irresistable. Quite honestly I don't think he's very hot, but I wouldn't kick him out of bed because of his looks. I can't imagine tolerating his attitude for more than a few minutes, though; when he isn't being obnoxious he's just plain boring. This is better than the British series, though. The Brian counterpart (don't remember the lead character's name) was downright ugly in my opinion, and his character was just plain irritating.

 

I agree that Michael is way too whiny and pathetic. He does get the hottest boyfriends, in my opinion. Ben is the hottest character on the show, in my opinion. Justin is okay, but I don't think his new boyfriend is appealing. Different strokes for different folks. (I obviously tend to prefer older, masculine, hunky guys over young, thin guys, especially when they have silly facial hair.)

 

In the end, of course, it is just a TV show. Like deej wrote, it seems like a gay "Dynasty" to me. The only reasons I watch it are because it is so bad it's funny and it's fun to see so much male flesh on TV (and not in a porn film).

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

>It's a pity so many straights don't realize

>how mny gay men have nothing to do with that scene.

 

 

I agree. And it astounds me everytime I hear a gay man say that the show is a "reflection of gay culture." My observation is it is a reflection of a gay SUBCULTURE! I've also noticed that those who claim it's a reflection of gay culture tend to live in this subculture. What I can't understand is why they ASSUME they are the majority! Just because they are the most vocal and the most "out there," it doesn't make them the majority.

 

I think the gay men who wrap themselves up in the "gay scene" really underestimate just how many gay men there are who don't go to gay bars, get fucked up on drugs every weekend, and look for sex anytime and anyplace they can get it.

 

As far as the show, I do find it entertaining in a freak show sort of way. I also think it's a little over the top. Yes, there are gay men (and lots of them) who match each of the characters on the show. But this show attempts to be entertaining by being shocking. And they achive this shock value by emphasizing all of the negative gay stereotypes. Let's face it, they have crammed a lot of negative gay stereotypes into a small number of characters.

 

Again, as a gay man I am able to recognize the show for what it is. But I too wince when I think of the message (either directly or indirectly) that it sends to a straight viewer who is totally ignorant about what it is to be gay.

[Guest Kenny021]

"The only reasons I watch

>it are because it is so bad it's funny and it's fun to see so

>much male flesh on TV (and not in a porn film)". Mu sentiments exactly....it's so bad that it's the funniest depiction of bad writing on tv.

 

If you want to see fully fleshed out gay characters who make QAF look ridiculous, go to SIX FEET UNDER. Absolutely marvelous writing and acting (not only of the gay characters) and the writers sure know how to depict "gay couple" interactions. Truly one of the best shows on TV.