Agency Tryouts

[axebahia]

An escort recently told me that he had to "audition" with the owner of an agency for free before joining the staff of an agency in New York. Apparently, the owner wanted to see for himself that his boys could do all the things they said they could. How common is that? Is that appropriate?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Is the agency casting couch unethical? Hmmm. This issue might not be all that black and white. A pro argument...

 

Generally, the casting couch is deemed unethical, the prototypical example that of the young (non-porn) movie starlet or stud :9 . Clearly the act of having sex with someone empowered to hire has nothing to do with one's acting ability or suitability for the job/part.

 

In the escort agency case the job is sex and the ability to establish some level or personal affinity for an hour or an evening! So it can be argued effectively that the casting couch evaluation is relevant to job suitability. The escort is a representative of the agency and is hired to perform services in a satisfactory manner. Clearly not all candidates are well suited to this job. Without auditions, winnowing out the poor performers happens through disappointing client experiences with attendant complaints. This can result in loss of money, and clients and in bad press -- not a very effective way to establish quality control.

 

Auditions are common in many performance professions, acting, dancing, and pro sports to name three. What is troubling in this case is the potential conflict of interest by the authority figure to abuse the process if he has no intention of hiring but is just looking for a free blow job or piece of ass. The ethical approach would be to designate a nonempowered third party to conduct the auditions and make recommendations. Pressumably the empowered figure has no interest in providing the third party with free sex.

 

I expect that many of those empowered and inclined would be unwilling to delegate the audition task.

 

Not sure I'm totally comfortable with this argument but it is rational.

[Guest in yer face]

The agency first agency (many many years ago) I went to work for sent me on my first "call" that night. It turned out to be an "audition" although I dint know it at the time. I was paid my share and hired. Basically, they got an account of my performance without my knowing it, and I still got paid.

 

 

>Is the agency casting couch unethical? Hmmm. This issue

>might not be all that black and white. A pro argument...

>

>Generally, the casting couch is deemed unethical, the

>prototypical example that of the young (non-porn) movie

>starlet or stud :9 . Clearly the act of having sex with

>someone empowered to hire has nothing to do with one's acting

>ability or suitability for the job/part.

>

>In the escort agency case the job is sex and the ability to

>establish some level or personal affinity for an hour or an

>evening! So it can be argued effectively that the casting

>couch evaluation is relevant to job suitability. The escort

>is a representative of the agency and is hired to perform

>services in a satisfactory manner. Clearly not all candidates

>are well suited to this job. Without auditions, winnowing out

>the poor performers happens through disappointing client

>experiences with attendant complaints. This can result in

>loss of money, and clients and in bad press -- not a very

>effective way to establish quality control.

>

>Auditions are common in many performance professions, acting,

>dancing, and pro sports to name three. What is troubling in

>this case is the potential conflict of interest by the

>authority figure to abuse the process if he has no intention

>of hiring but is just looking for a free blow job or piece of

>ass. The ethical approach would be to designate a

>nonempowered third party to conduct the auditions and make

>recommendations. Pressumably the empowered figure has no

>interest in providing the third party with free sex.

>

>I expect that many of those empowered and inclined would be

>unwilling to delegate the audition task.

>

>Not sure I'm totally comfortable with this argument but it is

>rational.

>

>

[Guest man2man4u40]

>An escort recently told me that he had to "audition" with the

>owner of an agency for free before joining the staff of an

>agency in New York. Apparently, the owner wanted to see for

>himself that his boys could do all the things they said they

>could. How common is that? Is that appropriate?

 

It's my sense that this is a just way for the "owner of the agency" to get free samples.

 

Especially if this is supposed to be a new agency, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a total scam.

 

I'd get recommendations from other escorts out there before getting involved if you were unsure of an agency.

 

Jack in SF

415-303-0221

[email protected]

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/man2man4u40

[CT Dick]

>So it can be argued effectively that the casting

>couch evaluation is relevant to job suitability.

 

Agreed. So, the hiring agent pays the applicant for a session and finds out what he has to know.

 

Expecting a freebie is abuse of power. x(

 

Dick

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

If i wouldn't sleep with anyone at Bernie Telsey to snag a role in a Broadway national tour, i sure wouldn't nail an agency owner...

 

Unethical, yes. But i'm sure it happens quite a bit, as i've heard the same story from friends who have worked the agency bit. IMO, there's no way to justify 'sampling the goods' as it's just a cheap way to get a freebie & inflate a failing ago at the same time. If an owner has any question about the escort's abilities in bed, he'll find out soon enough when clients begin to either complain or compliment.

 

 

The 'casting couch' theory in escorting? Come on... isn't that a little redundant

 

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[axebahia]

>The agency first agency (many many years ago) I went to work

>for sent me on my first "call" that night. It turned out to be

>an "audition" although I dint know it at the time. I was paid

>my share and hired. Basically, they got an account of my

>performance without my knowing it, and I still got paid.

 

Interesting. On occasion in the past, the owner of the agency in question has called me afterwards for opinions on a new escort so I wondered whether he really does audition new ones. But this story creeps (sic creaps) out from various escorts so I am wondering if where there is smoke there is fire. (In a similar vein, I have heard escorts who were very close to past management, complain that they don't get as many recommendations from new management so maybe it is true after all.)

[Guest random]

The scenario that in yer face notes seems to be acceptable. After all he wanted to be part of an agency. He didn't know he was going on a audition and he was paid.

 

Any other way I find abusive and would not be a customer of that agency.

[AaronScottDC]

>The scenario that in yer face notes seems to be acceptable.

>After all he wanted to be part of an agency. He didn't know he

>was going on a audition and he was paid.

>

>Any other way I find abusive and would not be a customer of

>that agency.

>

>

Well, then, don't use the agencies in DC because about a year and a half ago when I was first getting started in the "biz", I "tried out" for two of the agencies here in town and had to audition for both for FREE. I found the experiences to be quite unprofessional in both circumstances and decided to go the route of the independent escort in part because of the sleazy, abusive way I was treated.

 

By the way, I was offered "positions" with both agencies and the owners tried many times after my initial meeting with them to get me to go on calls for their agency. But, I just couldn't seem to think of them in a warm, caring, professional kind of way after my initial experience during the "interview". I figured if they weren't able to conduct the interview process with any more decency than they treated me, then they certainly weren't going to treat the clients that used their business or the escorts who worked for them any better. So, I decided to disassociate myself with them all together.

 

In retrospect, I am extremely happy to be working on my own and I guess I should thank these slimy agency owners for sending me in this direction in the first place. Thanks guys!! }(

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[+ glutes]

I'm friends with a agency owner, and he works his 'interviews' in the following manner.

Boy is interviewed, positive ID is required, a display in the nude is then had in a private room w/ both owner and manager (no touching or performance). Then a decision is made.

As Benjamin pointed out, the best 'tryout' for the business is listening to the clients.

[Guest jeffOH]

When I first started escorting, I started with an agency for whom a friend of mine worked. I had an "interview" with the owner and he asked to see my cock hard. I told him my friend could confirm my cock size and sexual prowess.

 

There have been guys who've called me up wanting to know if I needed anyone to work with me. If they sound appealing, I'll invite them over to see if we're "compatible".;-) That's how I met my last boyfriend.

 

As far as an agency owner wanting to sample the goods, well, I suppose product knowledge is helpful in selling a product, but the applicant should be compensated somehow.

 

JEFF [email protected]

[axebahia]

>As far as an agency owner wanting to sample the goods, well, I

>suppose product knowledge is helpful in selling a product, but

>the applicant should be compensated somehow.

 

I think that I agree. In the past, I have thought that the agency in question has somewhat better quality control than its local competitors. For instance, in my experience, boys from one competitor who the agency claim to be versatile are more often reluctant to bottom upon arrival than the boys from the agency that supposedly has the auditions.

 

Are actors or models compensated for auditions though? Or for that matter, are many profesionals compensated under similar circumstances? I guess lawyers, doctors and accountants are sometimes paid an initial consultation fee that is sometimes lower than the actual billing rate.

[jack]

I've been an agency customer for six years. I prefer the owner "knows what he's selling". The owner's personal knowledge of his models helps, I think, in avoiding STD's, for example. An owner's first hand knowledge is very reasurring to me.

 

This is the opposite of some agencies who higher a model over the phone. Therefore, for escorting, the model should want to participate in his own promotion at the agency which is for the owner to know what he's talking about. If I were applying, I'd sure expect and would be disappointed in the ethics of an agency that didn't want to see me hard, and nude all over.

 

This is the basis for the success of an agency. :-)

[VaHawk]

>The owner's personal

>knowledge of his models helps, I think, in avoiding STD's, for

>example. An owner's first hand knowledge is very reasurring

>to me.

 

What a total "crock of bs!". Following this logic, you would only buy a new car if it was test driven for several hundred miles first, and you had a written guarantee that those who took if for a test drive thought it was a great deal!

 

Where the heck do 'you people' come from? This whole statement by you is one of the most insulting, patronizing things I have ever read on this board! Your point about std's is TOTALLY ASSININE!!!

And as far as I know, no one is "owned" by another individual, either employer, agent or client. What swamp did you ooze out of??

 

>If I were

>applying, I'd sure expect and would be disappointed in the

>ethics of an agency that didn't want to see me hard, and nude

>all over.

>

>This is the basis for the success of an agency. :-)

 

I can only assume you are a neighbor of Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble. Do you hire at all? Who gives a damn what the "agency head" thinks?? As a client, I will judge the performance of those I hire and will not take the word of someone out to make a buck off of extolling the virtues of and/or peddaling the flesh of others.

 

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[axebahia]

>If I were

>applying, I'd sure expect and would be disappointed in the

>ethics of an agency that didn't want to see me hard, and nude

>all over.

 

Just to be clear, the assertion went beyond just a nude show, it was a test run on all the practices the prospective escort indicated on his interview sheet that he could and would perform with clients. Does that alter your opinion in any material respect?

[axebahia]

>And as far as I know, no one is "owned" by another individual,

>either employer, agent or client. What swamp did you ooze out

>of??

 

That's pretty rich coming from you. Aen't you the guy who defended the Dixie flag escort on another thread?

[Luv2play]

I don't often use escort agencies but when I do, I ask the same sort of questions about the escort and his services as I do with an independent escort. I never know whether the person I am talking to is the owner or an employee of the agency and don't bother asking. But I do ask his name for future reference and take his answers seriously in making my decision, either on a particular escort or if the choice is between several.

 

When the person on the phone "knows" the escort well, I often assume from the quality of the answers that I am getting the benefit of "first hand" experience. I am paying for the best advice possible so I actually prefer this type of advice to the kind based on say-so or assurances by the escort.

 

Now that being said, I have never paused to consider whether the escort should have been subjected to a "road test" by the management of the agancy. A second issue raised here is, if so, whether the escort should have been compensated. In my view, the escort is being hired to provide certain "specialized" services and in other lines of work, auditions are often required where a certain level of performance is required. I don't have any personal hangups about paying for sex just as I like a free romp as well. So by extension, I don't have any problem with the management taking steps to assure the quality of their services. On the issue of compensation, I think this is something the agency and the prospective escort/employee should agree on, possibly by agreeing that if hired the escort would get to keep the whole fee on his first assignment. I realize that some may be offended by this stance, but that's the way I see it.}(

[CT Dick]

>Are actors or models compensated

>for auditions though?

 

Are actors expected to perform before a live audience? Do models have pictures published from their tryouts or do they actually walk in a show? Do waiters have to work an evening gratis to see if they can handle it? Does a babysitter give a free evening before becoming a regular? Does a new teacher sub free for a week before being hired?

 

If an agency really wants to check the guy out, there ARE customers who would love to pay full fare (or more) to audition a new escort and report back to the agency. I've done it and would love to do it on a regular basis. }(

 

Dick

[liubit]

A few years back, I had that kind of arrangement with an agency owner. He called me every time he was about to hire a new escort. I then tried out the boy and paid him the full fare. What the "rookie" didn't know, though, is that I gave a full account of our session to the owner, who reimbursed me the agncy's commission (one third of the fee). The boy still got his normal share, the owner got his report, I got a hidden discount and the tryout was at the agency's expense: everybody was happy. It actually amounted to having a freebie for every three rookies I "sampled"..:9 :9 :9

 

Oh boy, I miss those days! }(

[AaronScottDC]

>A few years back, I had that kind of arrangement with an

>agency owner. He called me every time he was about to hire a

>new escort. I then tried out the boy and paid him the full

>fare. What the "rookie" didn't know, though, is that I gave a

>full account of our session to the owner, who reimbursed me

>the agncy's commission (one third of the fee). The boy still

>got his normal share, the owner got his report, I got a hidden

>discount and the tryout was at the agency's expense: everybody

>was happy. It actually amounted to having a freebie for every

>three rookies I "sampled"..:9 :9 :9

>

>Oh boy, I miss those days! }(

 

 

Now this sounds like a great way of handling things. If my first two experiences with agencies had gone like this, I certainly wouldn't have had any problem working for them. Too bad the agencies in DC aren't run this well!

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[jack]

Vahawk, I trust we are all fortunate you are not in the parachute manufacturing business.

 

Having customers of a company "try out" its products is foolish. As a regualar customer of anything, I expect to have authenticated services performed. That's what I pay for.

 

In the escort business, I expect the most be done to assure a safe and compatible performance.

 

What that requries is somebody knowing what they are talking about.

 

Hence, I would expect an owner to see a new employee hard and nude. If an escort candidate, such as yourself, did not agree to that, then you would be expected to leave and apply elsewhere.

 

An escort agency is a business. Its success is based on being run business like. I do not expect to pay $350 to trying something out because of an owners short sighted and stupid business capabilities.

[Guest zoom]

i tend to agree. and any escort who is stupid enough to audition for free for an agency owner deserves what he gets, nothing. have some pride in yourself guys.

[VaHawk]

I never defended the Stars and Bars, only your attack on the guy's values and character and moral ethics, when you do not know him. You did this based only on a picture of a flag. You claim not to be anti-Semitic but it is a reasonable assumption based on the volume of your words, which far exceed the 10,000 words they say one picture speaks.

[mmk]

to put it very bluntly, maybe the owner of the agency was a mega troll, knew he was a mega troll and figured if the auditioning escort could have sex with him he can have sex with anybody.

[axebahia]

>to put it very bluntly, maybe the owner of the agency was a

>mega troll, knew he was a mega troll and figured if the

>auditioning escort could have sex with him he can have sex

>with anybody.

 

The escort did suggest that the agency owner was a mega troll, to use your words, but does justify the lack of compensation for the tryout?