"Self termination"

[robberbaron4u]

I assume "self termination" to be a new, socially acceptable "word" for "suicide". Gentlemen, take care in the treats you hand out as "favors" to the boys! Imprudence such generosity can prove a deadly thing in an emtionally challenged "hire".

[seeker630]

I assume "self termination" to be a new, socially acceptable "word" for "suicide". Gentlemen, take care in the treats you hand out as "favors" to the boys! Imprudence such generosity can prove a deadly thing in an emtionally challenged "hire".

 

What do 'treats' (whatver they are) and 'generosity' have to do with suicide? Does this perhaps relate to some specific incident?

[Toulouse]

I assume "self termination" to be a new, socially acceptable "word" for "suicide". Gentlemen, take care in the treats you hand out as "favors" to the boys! Imprudence such generosity can prove a deadly thing in an emtionally challenged "hire".

 

Huh?

[+ Travis69]

Just a guess, but it sounds like a client or someone gave an escort some "party favors" (drugs) and the escort could not control himself with them and either killed himself or came close. Just a guess.

[bigvalboy]

Just a guess, but it sounds like a client or someone gave an escort some "party favors" (drugs) and the escort could not control himself with them and either killed himself or came close. Just a guess.

 

Yes Travis that is what I read into that post, though it is very unclear what exactly robber is getting at. I have heard recently of a hire that went horribly bad when the client introduced drugs into the scene. That is a recipe for disaster!! The information came to me by way of a private message, and cannot be repeated, but you can imagine the outcome when "Tina" comes to the party.

[+ FreshFluff]

Robber, is this a reference to the Corbin Fisher guy's death?

[JT Brooklyn]

I assume "self termination" to be a new, socially acceptable "word" for "suicide". Gentlemen, take care in the treats you hand out as "favors" to the boys! Imprudence such generosity can prove a deadly thing in an emtionally challenged "hire".

 

To begin with I seriously doubt anyone on Daddys is into whatever you are implying..BUT for the sake of chit-chat IF that's your MO I'm sure most Working Guys are busy when you Contact them! Your Channeling of the Late Great "Clifton Webb" gets spookier by the day !

[+ Shoreboy]

I am totally confused but I am assuming like the others that it has to do with a client giving the escort drugs

[robberbaron4u]

From a recently published report: "Tormented bisexual Matthew 'Sean' Bremer couldn't reconcile what he did with women off camera and what he did privately for paid companionship with wealthy gay men to finance his appetite for the things his modeling and painting business couldn't provide. . .investigator believes the fatal dosage may well have been given to Bremer by one of his male clients with good intentions. . ." In my experience, any number of these young men suffer from behavorial or personality disorders complicated by substance abuse of some type and care should be exercised in tossing "treats" to them. In my lifetime, I have known two or three escorts who washed out to sea on a tide of cocaine furnished by appreciative clients.

[jjkrkwood]

From a recently published report: "Tormented bisexual Matthew 'Sean' Bremer couldn't reconcile what he did with women off camera and what he did privately for paid companionship with wealthy gay men to finance his appetite for the things his modeling and painting business couldn't provide. . .investigator believes the fatal dosage may well have been given to Bremer by one of his male clients with good intentions. . ." In my experience, any number of these young men suffer from behavorial or personality disorders complicated by substance abuse of some type and care should be exercised in tossing "treats" to them. In my lifetime, I have known two or three escorts who washed out to sea on a tide of cocaine furnished by appreciative clients.

 

If they are USERS, and dont get it from their clients, they will get it Somewhere else. I dont think you are really able to prevent destructive behavior from a person Hell bent on doing harm to themselves. Yes, you dont need to be an accessory to the deed, and your providing treats may just be a gesture of generosity and "sharing"... You can never know how these things will turn out. Best to live by the credo "DONT DO DRUGS"....

[seeker630]

From a recently published report: "Tormented bisexual Matthew 'Sean' Bremer couldn't reconcile what he did with women off camera and what he did privately for paid companionship with wealthy gay men to finance his appetite for the things his modeling and painting business couldn't provide. . .investigator believes the fatal dosage may well have been given to Bremer by one of his male clients with good intentions. . ." In my experience, any number of these young men suffer from behavorial or personality disorders complicated by substance abuse of some type and care should be exercised in tossing "treats" to them. In my lifetime, I have known two or three escorts who washed out to sea on a tide of cocaine furnished by appreciative clients.

 

Robber, can you give us a link or identify the publication you quote. Thanks.

[+ azdr0710]

jesus, clients who provide serious drugs to escorts have got to be among the sleaziest people on Earth....horribly sad....an indication of low self-esteem, selfishness, and a need for validation in the client.....bad, bad, bad

[bigvalboy]

Robber, can you give us a link or identify the publication you quote. Thanks.

 

Anyone doing drugs on any level, certainly does not nor will not stop simply because a client fails to provide the necessary product...I am assuming it was "Tina" in some form or another. It is in every club and almost on any street corner in any city in the US....Standing in the middle of a "VERY POPULAR" bar in WEHO the other night, I sadly had a gorgeous young man pull from his suit coat a small bag and offered me some.....damn near stopped my night cold. I was so sad after seeing that. He was absolutely gorgeous. I am at a loss as to how we find a way to fix all of this.

[seeker630]

Anyone doing drugs on any level, certainly does not nor will not stop simply because a client fails to provide the necessary product...I am assuming it was "Tina" in some form or another. It is in every club and almost on any street corner in any city in the US....Standing in the middle of a "VERY POPULAR" bar in WEHO the other night, I sadly had a gorgeous young man pull from his suit coat a small bag and offered me some.....damn near stopped my night cold. I was so sad after seeing that. He was absolutely gorgeous. I am at a loss as to how we find a way to fix all of this.

 

Thus far, all I have seen is what appears to me to be rumor & conjecture regarding the cause of Matthew Bremer's death. Yesterday I read that the toxicology report hasn't yet come back. I would be more comfortable with this discussion about Bremer specifically if I could find any definitive information about it.

[+ deej]

I would be more comfortable with this discussion about Bremer specifically if I could find any definitive information about it.

 

Me too. It appears that some value unsubstantiated gossip over posting privileges.

[bigvalboy]

Thus far, all I have seen is what appears to me to be rumor & conjecture regarding the cause of Matthew Bremer's death. Yesterday I read that the toxicology report hasn't yet come back. I would be more comfortable with this discussion about Bremer specifically if I could find any definitive information about it.

 

While I agree with you and Deej on speculation and conjecture, my comment was not in reference to Mr. Bremer in anyway shape or form. I do not know who he is or any circumstance regarding his passing. I have not even taken the time to try and find out. My comment was solely in response to what robber had said in regards to clients handing out "favors" whatever that was suppose to mean, I had to guess as to what he was talking about. I have personal and disturbing experience with regards to drugs and I was only trying to bring to light the downfalls of substance abuse...

[JT Brooklyn]

Me too. It appears that some value unsubstantiated gossip over posting privileges.

 

Indubidably!

[robberbaron4u]

Abstracted from an article published at http://www.kruezeratnight.com. Sadly, it goes to the representation I have from one of Bremer's mature "affectionate friends" that he died by his own hand in despondency over his "lifetstyle". By rumour, the lad was in an on-going state of psychosis aggravated by controlled substance abuse at the time of his death.

[seeker630]

Abstracted from an article published at http://www.kruezeratnight.com. Sadly, it goes to the representation I have from one of Bremer's mature "affectionate friends" that he died by his own hand in despondency over his "lifetstyle". By rumour, the lad was in an on-going state of psychosis aggravated by controlled substance abuse at the time of his death.

 

As you say - it's all rumor. A gossip columnist whose source is his own investigator (your edited version omitted the word my, so it read as though it was someone official).

 

I'll wait for some official 'cause of death', but I hope it wasn't suicide.

[robberbaron4u]

I beg pardon; it was not my intent to imply an "official" status to the abstract. We shall see how the thing goes. . .

[bcohen7719]

Regretfully there are no recent research studies relating to substance abuse and/or personality disorders in modern male sex work populations. Older studies relate to street hustlers; scarce newer studies veer towards spread of HIV in developing countries. To the best of my knowledge there are no funded research projects relating to contemporary male sex worker psychopathy of sociopathy or personality disorders. This is not a popular topic on this forum.

 

It is too bad. There are plenty of funded research projects related to female sex workers.

[robberbaron4u]

My godson's therapist recommended Malignant Self-Love: Narcissism Revisited by Dr. Samuel Vaknin as a "must read". The boy, who is now a 40+ year old man, was diagnosed with narcisstic personality disorder in his adolescence. Although he considers himself "straight eight", he has been servicing the gay population as a "rentboy" from the time he was 18. In my experience with him, he is given to flights of grandeur followed by deep depression and presentation of uncontrolled rage. "Sonny" (2002), the Nicholas Cage film, is, purportedly, based on the life of "Walter P.", a legendary New Orleans male prostitute, and portrays a rentboy in a tail-spin of psychosis arising from his lifestyle.

[bcohen7719]

I've just ordered a copy of what appears to be a most intriguing book. The description

and reviews on "Amazon" were unusually stellar.

 

Many thanks for suggesting this resource.

 

BC

[bcohen7719]

For those who don't have time to a read full-length book

at this point in time, the link below may be useful. This

provides excerpts and summaries from the intriguing

"Malignant Self Love."

 

BC

 

http://samvak.tripod.com/

[bcohen7719]

...and below, something from that website.

 

BC

 

SURVIVING THE NARCISSIST

 

Question:

 

Is there a point in waiting for the Narcissist to heal? Can it ever be better?

 

Answer:

 

Rescue Fantasies

 

"It is true that he is a chauvinistic narcissist with repulsive behaviors. But all he needs is a little love and he will be straightened out. I will rescue him from his misery and misfortune. I will give him the love that he lacked as a kid. Then his narcissism will vanish and we will live happily ever after".

 

Loving a Narcissist

 

I believe in the possibility of loving narcissists if one accepts them unconditionally, in a disillusioned and expectation-free manner. Narcissists are narcissists. This is what they are. Take them or leave them. Some of them are lovable. Most of them are highly charming and intelligent. The source of the misery of the victims of the narcissist is their disappointment, their disillusionment, their abrupt and tearing and tearful realization that they fell in love with an ideal of their own invention, a phantasm, an illusion, a fata morgana. This "waking up" is traumatic. The narcissist is forever the same. It is the victim who changes. It is true that narcissists present a facade in order to generate sources of narcissistic supply. But this facade is easy to penetrate because it is inconsistent. The cracks are evident from day one but often ignored. And what about all those who KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY commit their wings to the burning narcissistic candle?

 

This is the catch-22. To react emotionally to a narcissist is like talking atheism to an Afghan fundamentalist. Narcissists have emotions, very strong ones, so terrifyingly strong and negative that they hide them, repress, block and transmute them. They employ a myriad of defense mechanisms: projective identification, splitting, projection, intellectualization, rationalization. Any effort to emotionally relate to a narcissist is doomed to failure, alienation and rage. Any attempt to "understand" (in retrospect or prospectively) narcissistic behavior patterns, reactions, his inner world in emotional terms - is equally hopeless. Narcissists should be regarded as "stychia", a force of nature, or an accident. There is always the bitter question: "Why me, why should this happen to me?" But this question is so universally asked that in its very universality lies the answer. The world is "meaningless" and "goal-less".

 

There is no master-plot or mega-plan to deprive anyone of happiness. Being born to narcissistic parents, for instance, is not the result of a conspiracy. It is a tragic event, for sure. But it cannot be dealt with emotionally without professional help or haphazardly. Stay away from narcissists, or face them aided by your own self-discovery through therapy.

 

It can be done. As opposed to narcissists, the prognosis for the victims of narcissists is fairly bright.

 

Narcissists have no interest in emotional or even intellectual stimulation by significant others. Such stimulation is perceived as a threat.

 

Significant others in the narcissist's life have very clear roles: accumulation and dispensation of past primary narcissistic supply in order to regulate current NS. Nothing less but definitely nothing more. Proximity and intimacy breed contempt for reasons that I elucidate in my work. A process of devaluation is in full operation throughout the life of the relationship.

 

A passive witness to the Narcissist's past grandiosity, a dispenser of accumulated NS, a punching bag for his rages, a co-dependent, a possession (though not prized but taken for granted) and nothing much more. This is the ungrateful, FULL TIME, draining job of being the Narcissist's significant others.

 

But humans are not instruments. To regard them as such is to devalue them, to reduce them, to restrict them, to prevent them from realizing their potential. Inevitably, Narcissists lose interest in their instruments, these truncated versions of full-fledged humans, once they cease to serve them in their pursuit of glory and fame.