Rich Man Kills Poor Man

[+ Lucky]

The hunky 20 year old son of Brazil's richest man was driving the father's $1.3 million car on a mountain road above Rio when he hit a 30 year old man on his bicycle. The older man was going to the store to get supplies to help celebrate his wife's birthday, but he never made it home. The young man left the scene, represented by his bodyguard, and went for medical help, for himself. he then returned to the scene, where he offered any help he could tot he family of the deceased man.

Younger man, Thor Batista, has a reputation as a rich playboy. Yet, so far, it is hard to know if he is to be faulted in the accident. Many Brazilians see the story as an example of extreme wealth meeting extreme poverty. More info here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/world/americas/fatal-car-crash-in-brazil-spotlights-class-division.html?hp

 

Thor is a handsome young man, but I do not post his picture here because there seems to be a question of which Googled pic is him. One pic is dated in March, 2012, showing him with long hair, another dated the same day with shorter and darker hair. The photo of Thor in the Times shows him with long blond hair, and there is a Google photo of a nude man who looks much like that. Thor reportedly is a bodybuilder.

 

So, while I find the story interesting, I don't know what to make of it. Daddy Thor has $30 billion dollars, so the story is either not going to die soon, or going to die very soon, leaving one favela family very wealthy. The Times article does note that 40 million Brazilians have moved into the middle class with the latest economic boom to hit the country, yet still is "one of the most unequal of nations.".

[robberbaron4u]

http://vdevintage.tumblr.com/post/5522647872. Ah, me, Thor. His natural hair-coloring is brunette but, heeding the adage that blondes have more fun, he is given to dying it blonde heed. On his sojourns in Miami, he is frequently seen at parties hosted by Malinka Max at Miami where he enjoys the rapt attentions of numerous model "wannabees" who swarm about him as flies to honey. By report, the tragedy has not impacted upon his social life as the lad has been partying heartily from the time of the "unfortunate incident". Apres moi le deluge. . .

[+ Lucky]

So the Google pix I saw are indeed him, both with dark hair and blond hair...and nude! He is definitely living the spoiled rich playboy lifestyle. I hope the accident was not due to irresponsibility on his part.

[+ nycman]

Come on people...he WRECKED a Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren ....oh, the humanity!

[bigvalboy]

he WRECKED a Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren ....

 

For that alone he should be jailed permanently...it's an outrage!! I don't think this crowd realizes the seriousness of that.

[robberbaron4u]

In this incident, I am reminded of that certain passage from Dicken's A Tale of Two Cities: a child has been crushed to death beneath the speeding coach of the Marquis de Evremont; Evremont, vexed at the delay, tosses a coin into the crowd which has gathered at the scene, payment in full for the child's life, and, with contempt, the father of the child tosses the coin back into the Marquis' carriage. The Marquis, with chagrin, orders his coachman to "drive on". Some pages on in reading, the begrieved father accesses the Marquis' chateau in the still of the night and murders him in his bed, a dagger through the heart of the hated aristocrat. Pinned to the Marquis' body by the murder weapon is a succinct note, "Drive him fast to the tomb".

[Luv2play]

Dickens' story was a cautionary tale. It bears repeating to the current generation.

[Steven_Draker]

Come on people...he WRECKED a Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren

 

Yeah, nycman, I feel sorry for the car too.

[Guest]

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The fact that the car hit the bicyclist doesn't necessarily mean the car driver was at fault. I don't know the facts in this case, but it is certainly conceivable that the cyclist was just being an a-hole on a windy mountain road...

[jjkrkwood]

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The fact that the car hit the bicyclist doesn't necessarily mean the car driver was at fault. I don't know the facts in this case, but it is certainly conceivable that the cyclist was just being an a-hole on a windy mountain road...

 

Uni, people often choose sides WITHOUT reading or knowing all the facts. They jump to conclusions and point fingers. I guess its human nature?. And often too, people dont LISTEN...

So, let the justice system prevail on this one....

[KMEM]

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The fact that the car hit the bicyclist doesn't necessarily mean the car driver was at fault. I don't know the facts in this case, but it is certainly conceivable that the cyclist was just being an a-hole on a windy mountain road...

 

Why did you not have the same "attitude" or "approach" about Zimmerman? Just curious.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[bigvalboy]

Why did you not have the same "attitude" or "approach" about Zimmerman? Just curious.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Personally KMEM, may I interject here? I think that in general we look at rich and poor very differently in this country. This very very wealthy kid driving a Mercedes SLR Mclaren (an outrageously expensive car) will probably largely get a pass. Keep in mind that we really do not know who was at fault here. In the Zimmerman case, I think that enough evidence is in that Zimmerman most likely is at fault here....I say cautiously, and not looking for a fight on this one...just my opinion.

[KMEM]

I don't disagree, bigvalboy, but what does viewing the rich and poor have to do with letting "justice prevail"? Seemingly, in the US, at least, the "media" and "others" have convicted and sentenced Zimmerman without a trial. IF he is guilty, I will be first in line to agree with whatever punishment is meted. In the meantime, shouldn't we all just be observers?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[bigvalboy]

I don't disagree, bigvalboy, but what does viewing the rich and poor have to do with letting "justice prevail"? Seemingly, in the US, at least, the "media" and "others" have convicted and sentenced Zimmerman without a trial. IF he is guilty, I will be first in line to agree with whatever punishment is meted. In the meantime, shouldn't we all just be observers?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Actually that is a good point. I think it is a natural reaction to decide who is right and wrong in any given situation. AND the public is often wrong. We shall await the trial in the Zimmerman case. As for the wealthy young man...we shall see what happens with him also.

[Guest]

Why did you not have the same "attitude" or "approach" about Zimmerman? Just curious.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

The case against Zimmerman is overwhelming. Firstly, it is clear from the 911 phone conversation that Zimmerman actively pursued Martin, after being advised not to, no less. Secondly, Zimmerman's account of a struggle is totally inconsistent with the lack of evidence of such on either person or on the ground. Thirdly, of course, are Martin's recorded pleas for help. I did read further on this bicycle versus mercedes case. The cyclist was apparently on a windy highway with a speed limit of 110 km/h (68.4 MPH), on the wrong side of the road, and had alcohol in his system (the car driver did not). When was the last time you, as a cyclist, behaved in such a foolhardy manner? Of course, since rich man struck poor man, I suspect his widow will receive a settlement, rather than the other way around. Of course, I don't suppose the late cyclist's estate could begin to pay for the damages his corpse did to the mercedes. I'm not sure I know enough at this time to know who was wrong in the Brazilian case. But I think that only an utter fool would believe Zimmerman acted in self-defense after Martin attacked him!!

[KMEM]

Thanks for your reply. In a jury trial, I think Zimmerman's attorney would be entitled to a peremptory challenge. I wonder if Zimmerman CAN get a fair trial.

 

I am not by any means persuaded of his innocence, but also, not his guilt either.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[operalover21]

The sad reality is that most poor people are killed by other poor people, just like most blacks are killed by other blacks and most whites are killed by other whites. And yet we make a big deal out of a case like this and as we do with the Trayvon Martin case. If you're black you are far more likely to be killed by one of your own than by a Hispanic guy patrolling a neighborhood or by a white cop for that matter.

 

But black on black violence is something no one seems to want to talk about. I guess because it doesn't fit in with whatever agenda they have.

 

This case here seems to me to be the same old, same old.

[operalover21]

The case against Zimmerman is overwhelming. Firstly, it is clear from the 911 phone conversation that Zimmerman actively pursued Martin, after being advised not to, no less. Secondly, Zimmerman's account of a struggle is totally inconsistent with the lack of evidence of such on either person or on the ground. Thirdly, of course, are Martin's recorded pleas for help. I did read further on this bicycle versus mercedes case. The cyclist was apparently on a windy highway with a speed limit of 110 km/h (68.4 MPH), on the wrong side of the road, and had alcohol in his system (the car driver did not). When was the last time you, as a cyclist, behaved in such a foolhardy manner? Of course, since rich man struck poor man, I suspect his widow will receive a settlement, rather than the other way around. Of course, I don't suppose the late cyclist's estate could begin to pay for the damages his corpse did to the mercedes. I'm not sure I know enough at this time to know who was wrong in the Brazilian case. But I think that only an utter fool would believe Zimmerman acted in self-defense after Martin attacked him!!

 

Of course it is if all of your information is obtained from the media. I have no idea if the case again Zimmerman is "overwhelming" or not but know one thing for sure: I certainly don't have all the information that the prosecutor has. And until I hear all of that I am not about to make a judgment.

 

Making a judgment based on what you hear on the internet or other media about a case like this is a case of supreme ignorance and silliness. Just like the doctored 911 tape that NBC prepared to make Zimmerman look like a racist. Now that we've heard the complete tape we now that he never pointed out the Trayvon Martin's race until he was prompted to do so by the 911 operator. That's not how it was presented by the media in the beginning. That's only one example of how we were told one thing and now we come to find out something else. There are quite a few others beginning with the attempt to make Trayvon Martin appear to be a saint and honor roll student and all the rest. We now know that that picture is much more complicated as well.

 

I have no idea what really happened that night and neither do you. The difference is that I'm willing to hear ALL the evidence and withhold judgment until I do. Like any thinking human being with a brain would do.

[operalover21]

The case against Zimmerman is overwhelming. Firstly, it is clear from the 911 phone conversation that Zimmerman actively pursued Martin, after being advised not to, no less. Secondly, Zimmerman's account of a struggle is totally inconsistent with the lack of evidence of such on either person or on the ground. Thirdly, of course, are Martin's recorded pleas for help. I did read further on this bicycle versus mercedes case. The cyclist was apparently on a windy highway with a speed limit of 110 km/h (68.4 MPH), on the wrong side of the road, and had alcohol in his system (the car driver did not). When was the last time you, as a cyclist, behaved in such a foolhardy manner? Of course, since rich man struck poor man, I suspect his widow will receive a settlement, rather than the other way around. Of course, I don't suppose the late cyclist's estate could begin to pay for the damages his corpse did to the mercedes. I'm not sure I know enough at this time to know who was wrong in the Brazilian case. But I think that only an utter fool would believe Zimmerman acted in self-defense after Martin attacked him!!

 

Furthermore, all 3 examples you give above as being so "overwhelming" are YOUR conclusions based on what YOU'VE heard. They are not based in any factual evidence. Have you seen any medical reports that back up your assertions about injuries? Do you know what happened after Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin any longer and the 911 call ended? Have you received evidence from voice tape experts that conclude whose voice is heard on the tape crying for help? And on and on ...

 

So the only person who is an "utter fool" -- to use your phrase -- is the person who makes a conclusion based on "evidence" he's collected from the media.

[ragazzolupo]

Whenever I see the Rev. Al Sharpton getting lathered up about injustice, I think of two words: B]Tawana Brawley[/b] While that case is still being argued in cyberspace, the legal findings are not.

 

From Wikipedia

 

"The accusations soon earned her notoriety, which was inflamed by Brawley's advisers (including the Reverend Al Sharpton and attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason), the statements of various public officials, and intense media attention. After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of an attack. The New York prosecutor whom Brawley had accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation."

 

"In 1998, Pagones was awarded $345,000 (he sought $395 million) through a lawsuit for defamation of character that he had brought against Sharpton, Maddox and Mason. The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one. The jury deadlocked on four of the 22 statements over which Pagones had sued, and it found eight statements to be non-defamatory. In a later interview, Pagones said the turmoil by the accusations of Brawley and her advisers had cost him his first marriage and much personal grief."

 

This suggests that in the Zimmerman case and in the Rio case, it is best to let the air out of the media tires and recognize the the Rev. Al has not always gotten it right in the past. I think we have to wait and see.

[jjkrkwood]

Whenever I see the Rev. Al Sharpton getting lathered up about injustice, I think of two words: B]Tawana Brawley[/b] While that case is still being argued in cyberspace, the legal findings are not.

 

From Wikipedia

 

"The accusations soon earned her notoriety, which was inflamed by Brawley's advisers (including the Reverend Al Sharpton and attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason), the statements of various public officials, and intense media attention. After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of an attack. The New York prosecutor whom Brawley had accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation."

 

"In 1998, Pagones was awarded $345,000 (he sought $395 million) through a lawsuit for defamation of character that he had brought against Sharpton, Maddox and Mason. The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one. The jury deadlocked on four of the 22 statements over which Pagones had sued, and it found eight statements to be non-defamatory. In a later interview, Pagones said the turmoil by the accusations of Brawley and her advisers had cost him his first marriage and much personal grief."

 

This suggests that in the Zimmerman case and in the Rio case, it is best to let the air out of the media tires and recognize the the Rev. Al has not always gotten it right in the past. I think we have to wait and see.

 

Jumping to conclusions and finger pointing Adds the element of "sensationalism" to these cases. It sells papers and magazines, and you cant deny the "economic" element attached..

There are people notable for "Pot stirring". Its their calling in life. You see them everywhere doing their deed. Its part of the culture.