Please dont hire us

[RockHard]

Oh well, here we go again...

 

The customer may always be right, but the customer is frequently a jackass.

 

From my experience, the vast majority of customers are kind, generous, appreciative, and eager to return and open their wallet for more. If your customers don't, then I would question why not?

 

I would characterize very few customers as "jackass." When one shows up, a true professional needs to know how to properly handle the animal.

 

"Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were inquiring about a professional's service. A discounted massage would be dangerous for us both, because I'm state-regulated and perform to a very high standard. I'm afraid I couldn't put my full talents and abilities into a low-priced massage."

 

I'd be very careful not to sound condescending or to shoot for humor. Condescension (or a bad joke) is a great way to say "fuck you" to a customer, and works if you never want to see that customer again.

 

People ask for discounts all the time. If you ask sometimes you get. Sometimes you don't. If someone asks, a simple I don't do discounts is more than enough. A simple no is really sufficient.

 

The basic premise here is correct, although I would never recommend using the phrase "I don't do (anything)."

 

If you don't want to negotiate your rate, and you don't want to put the words "Fees are not negotiable" in your ad, the smartest way to handle a first time customer asking for a discount is:

 

"Thank you for your interest and your inquiry. Reduced rates are considered for repeat customers who book more than one hour. For all other customers my hourly rate is a non-negotiable fee. Would you like to book an hour, or do you want to think about it further?"

 

I would never ask an escort for a discount. If I cannot afford to hire someone I do not.

 

The vast majority of customers take this approach. In the service business, you simply can't expect every customer to behave like the last customer.

 

I consider hiring an escort or a masseur a luxury.

 

One man's haircut (mine) costs $300, while another man pays $17. I think the term "luxury" is defined by your income and the cost of living in the city where you live. Luxury to me is a 2nd car with garage space in Manhattan or two summer homes, one in East Hampton and one on Fire Island.

 

Some loser (customer) texted him (Ace) asking for another picture, which he sent. And then another more explicit one. And on and on. It included texts which such things as "I don't have the money to hire you but I'll pay you $50 for an explicit pic", "I don't have anyone. I have no friends. Be my friend", "you're an idiot for not sending me the picture. You just blew $50". They quickly became abusive, derogatory, then apologetic and begging -- back and forth. On and on and on and on this went, over 2 days at least.

 

Who are they? I got the impression you were describing one "loser." Or are you venting your frustration caused by all escort-purchasing losers on behalf of Ace?

 

How you guys deal with losers like this is something I can never understand.

 

For many men, sex and intimacy is an awkward issue. There are many gay men, especially older, closeted men, who have not had a healthy outlet for sexual development. Some gay guys turn into wierdos. If, as an escort, you are only interested in a quick fuck with "normal" men, then playing the nurturing nurse/boyfriend will not be part of your job description. But to fool yourself to think that everyone who contacts you will be of sound and healthy mind, well, that would make you very naive.

 

If you don't have the patience to deal with all types of customers, then you should GET OUT OF THE SERVICE BUSINESS.

 

I wouldn't call up a random auto repair man and ask to do work on my car for a lower quote either.

 

If the auto repair guy came recommended and I knew the insurance company had a payment cap, I would certainly ask the repair guy if he wanted first dibs on the job.

 

when a price is determined and made clear....there should be no debate.

 

I'm not in favor of fee debates but I also don't live in a black-and-white world. Let's face it, shopping for an escort is not like shopping for a diamond at Cartier. Auto dealers make deals on new cars every day for first-time customers. There is no standard in the service industry, and there never will be.

 

"ask me or rates vary," in the ad for rates is a TOTAL TURNOFF to most real clients

 

I disagree. If anything, the "ask me/rates vary" can indicate a man willing to negotiate. Not every freelance worker is afraid to discuss money and self-worth. Some independent contractors do better financially when they customize their fees to each client's needs. It may take more work, but some escorts are willing to work harder to make more money.

 

Been in business a long time so this policy has priven very effective over the years

 

One escort's "policy" may not "prove" to be the best policy for all. I'm no fan of the one-size-fits-all model. Healthy competition requires more than one policy. May the best men win.

[leigh.bess.toad]

From my experience, the vast majority of customers are kind, generous, appreciative, and eager to return and open their wallet for more. If your customers don't, then I would question why not?

 

I would characterize very few customers as "jackass." When one shows up, a true professional needs to know how to properly handle the animal.

 

Yes, the jackass is in the minority. But a significant enough minority to be a PITA to those of us who aren't. Although it was amusing to watch the jerks last night. 8-10 twenty-somethings and they couldn't figure out a bill that couldn't have been more $150 total. Don't any of them have a cell phone with a calculator app? No, instead they took it out on the wait staff and management. And dragged those of us around them into it.

 

Who are they? I got the impression you were describing one "loser." Or are you venting your frustration caused by all escort-purchasing losers on behalf of Ace?

 

I stand corrected. It should have read "He", not "They". Although I know this happens many more times. The fact that Ace was able to quite accurately predict what the next few emails/texts would say and when they would come, and how many more would come, showed me he's been to that rodeo more than a few times. As I'm sure a lot of the guys have.

 

But the one I loved most was when he said "I'm lonely and don't have anyone". Any wonder?

[gallahadesquire]

Suppose, instead, the barber contacts you and tells you he'll give you a haircut for $5. You take him up on it, and it's one of the best haicuts you've ever gotten. Would you be so eager to pay another barber $17 for a haircut that you may or may not be satisfied with, when you know you can get a great haircut for $5?

 

I'd been in hospital for six weeks and needed a haircut. I've been going to the same fellow for 18 years. He charges $7. And I always give him ten ( hee always offers me the change). So be gives me a haircut ten miles from his shoop, and only tAkes the usual $10 - refused the additional $10 I offered. The discount is the perogative of the person giving the service, not the right of the client.

[bootdad]

AHHHHHH ... FEE for professional services rendered ... hmmmmmmm ???

 

This is an extremely complex issue with no simple answers !!! And I am most certainly not being facetious !

Why do some people always bill out or charge at a higher rate than others ... more often than not never a 'simple' answer !

I have moved in the circles of designers, professional photographers, models, agencies, creative types for most of professional life and the range / diversity of fees has always astonished me. One day I am working with a photographer than commands $ 5K a day and the following week I am working with someone (in many cases) equally talented and just as capable who has trouble maintaining his $ 1K day rate. This applies the creative directors, stylists, graphic and interior designer, models ... it's a very long list !!!

 

What I do know and have experienced extensively over the past couple of years ... we are very much living in a new economy, everyone expects more for less - what you use to bill/charge/get does not in anyway ensure that you will receive that today. I find that in this new economic reality everyone negotiates and everyone expects a better price. SO - should it be any surprise that escorts are experiencing the same reality. I am not at all surprised - in many arenas the new kid, the guy breaking into the profession is often low man on the pay scale - they may NOT have applied to escorting a decade or 2 ago but I suspect even that is changing ?

 

Experience has taught me 'CASH IS KING and money talks ... I find that one of the problems in dealing with cash is that people even negotiate with more gusto simply because they know a great chunk of it goes unreported so because they are handing over cash their expectations are higher when it comes to perceived value ??? I will be interested in your thoughts on this and I think we scratched the surface in my previous post back a week or so in ... Where is the CASH ???

[instudiocity]

I'm not in favor of fee debates but I also don't live in a black-and-white world. Let's face it, shopping for an escort is not like shopping for a diamond at Cartier. Auto dealers make deals on new cars every day for first-time customers. There is no standard in the service industry, and there never will be.

 

I disagree. If anything, the "ask me/rates vary" can indicate a man willing to negotiate. Not every freelance worker is afraid to discuss money and self-worth. Some independent contractors do better financially when they customize their fees to each client's needs. It may take more work, but some escorts are willing to work harder to make more money.

I agree RH. If I was in this business, I'd sure as hell charge more for an out-call in Beverly Hills than for North Hollywood. And I'd charge more from an a la carte menu of services, too!

[instudiocity]

Experience has taught me 'CASH IS KING and money talks ... I find that one of the problems in dealing with cash is that people even negotiate with more gusto simply because they know a great chunk of it goes unreported so because they are handing over cash their expectations are higher when it comes to perceived value ??? I will be interested in your thoughts on this and I think we scratched the surface in my previous post back a week or so in ... Where is the CASH ???

Ain't dat de trufe. In an economy where my home value is down 40% and my income down 50%, I'm one hell of a lot more sensitive to the 15%+ Social Security Taxes and the 28% Federal and 9% State income taxes I have to pay. If I can get 50% of my fees in cash and can omit that from my income, I'm making more money.

 

Plus listening to ALL politicians, I don't hear any of them wanting me to keep more of my money, they want to spend the money they confiscate from me THREE times!

[jjkrkwood]

I'd been in hospital for six weeks and needed a haircut. I've been going to the same fellow for 18 years. He charges $7. And I always give him ten ( hee always offers me the change). So be gives me a haircut ten miles from his shoop, and only tAkes the usual $10 - refused the additional $10 I offered. The discount is the perogative of the person giving the service, not the right of the client.

 

Next time opt for that $300 that Rockhard gets. Come to think of it, I think Donald Trump gets those $300 cuts too. ;-)

[RockHard]

Some people never change.

 

I often skip the escorts (who offer "ask me" rates) because I don't like to discuss money.

 

Corporations love employees who don't like to discuss money. That's one fear I would pay someone to help me get over.

 

But the one (jackass, loser comment) I loved most was when he said "I'm lonely and don't have anyone". Any wonder?

 

Is it any wonder why some escorts constantly complain about their idiot customers and their inability to sustain worthwhile financial success in this business?

 

One man's haircut (mine) costs $300

 

Around 57th Street and Madison Avenue in Manhattan, $150 automatically goes to the salon owner. The real estate reality here is: a good portion of the service fee MUST go towards rent. The remaining $150 goes to the artist, who has to pay for his own assistant. So, maybe, my haircutter is grossing $120 for my haircut, before taxes and health insurance. I'm in the salon for about an hour.

 

An orgasm lasts 6 seconds. If I'm horny, I can fuck someone and be done and re-dressed in 20 minutes. An hour appointment with a hot escort who smells sexy can easily cost $300, every penny of which he gets to keep, often without leaving his home.

 

My fabulous haircut lasts me two months. It's easy for me to figure out what determines a great value.

 

Please dont hire us

 

Attitude is everything in the service industry. A good one can prove useful in every other aspect of life, too. If you have a penchant for an arrogant attitude, you will NEVER be a success in this business.

 

I think I did the correct thing.

 

Good luck with that thinking.

[mansniffing]

Tropicana Orange Juice has redesigned its packaging with a new plastic bottle that appears to be a full one-half gallon (64 ounces) but in reality is only 59 ounces. That's six ounces less with no reduction in price. This reminds me of Lincoln's "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." . . . Of course this has nothing to do with the "Don't Hire Us" thread but to get my two cents in I'll give you a bit of history. Before the Internet, clients here in New York would shop for escorts along a strip of Third Avenue and the East Fifties while others, both clients and escorts chose to hang out in East Side bars along the same strip. As with Rentboy there were many flavors to choose from. Prices varied, negotiations took place and when a fee was agreed on deals were sealed on both the street and in the bars. With that time frame a great part of the evening was spent cruising and haggling over prices and scenarios to take place. With the greater part of the evening spent on the hunt and then the consummation there was no time for multiple bookings. Scenarios varied from street or bar pickups to booking through a male madam or word of mouth from the satisfied client network. Then, as now, prices varied. There is a lot to be said about being "close up and personal" while cruising the street and the bars. Presently, if you'll excuse the expression, clients are buying a "pig in a poke." The Internet now enables multiple one-hour bookings and "extra charges" for what was once part of the "business" of servicing the client. Fake orgasms are not uncommon. And for what was once foreplay there are extra charges . . . for escorts who don't kiss . . . or reciprocate . . . or cum . . . the standard reply is "that's extra." One friend told me he paid $100 extra for deep throat kissing from an "alleged straight escort" who was a pro at it. Another told me that when he asked about an orgasm from a Rentboy he hired at $250 he was told that was $400. As for "limitations" . . . that's code for negotiating for more money. In all my experiences with hired escorts over the Internet I can honestly say that I have not had the thrill of the adrenaline highs I had from an "up close and personal" meeting beforehand. I'd be delighted if there were an equivalent of the female bordellos in Nevada where the clients have the advantage of socializing with the ladies and hiring the one that really gets their motor humming. To each his own though . . . as for me . . . I've given up on paying for play. In all my encounters there was only one escort I met who genuinely enjoyed pleasing his clients. His name was Reece and he retired some years ago. There was a five-flight walk-up to his apartment . . . and I'm a man who wouldn't have walked up that many flights for Adonis himself. . . . but for Reece I climbed those five flights many times.

[jjkrkwood]

So Rockhards $300 haircut is really the same old $17 haircut but he is paying for the real estate and shop owners overhead ? I suggest he walks a few blocks West and actually get the haircut he is paying for. But then again, he wouldnt be able to brag about getting a $300 haircut.

[JoeyBryant]

One man's haircut (mine) costs $300, while another man pays $17. I think the term "luxury" is defined by your income and the cost of living in the city where you live.

 

Well, I get a haircut once a week. So if I was paying $300x4 I'd be paying $1,200 a month for a haircut that grows out in 5 days.

 

An hour appointment with a hot escort who smells sexy can easily cost $300, every penny of which he gets to keep, often without leaving his home.

 

Well there's also rent (like you mentioned), utilities, other things as well. Advertising costs...who can forget that?

[mansniffing]

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An hour appointment with a hot escort who smells sexy can easily cost $300, every penny of which he gets to keep, often without leaving his home.

 

Joey Bryant wrote:

"Well there's also rent (like you mentioned), utilities, other things as well. Advertising costs...who can forget that?"

 

Come on Joey. You're missing RockHard's point. There's rent, utilities, food and clothing to pay for no matter how you make your living and when you have a job that's on the books there's a salary that usually includes withholding Federal, State and City taxes. As far as advertising . . . well that's the cost of doing business isn't it? In an "on the books business" advertising is a deductible expense. And for those with a day job moonlighting as an escort is a very nice off the books income. And let's be real here. Viagra and its cousins make multiple daily booking a breeze.

 

[jjkrkwood]

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An hour appointment with a hot escort who smells sexy can easily cost $300, every penny of which he gets to keep, often without leaving his home.

 

Joey Bryant wrote:

"Well there's also rent (like you mentioned), utilities, other things as well. Advertising costs...who can forget that?"

 

Come on Joey. You're missing RockHard's point. There's rent, utilities, food and clothing to pay for no matter how you make your living and when you have a job that's on the books there's a salary that usually includes withholding Federal, State and City taxes. As far as advertising . . . well that's the cost of doing business isn't it? In an "on the books business" advertising is a deductible expense. And for those with a day job moonlighting as an escort is a very nice off the books income. And let's be real here. Viagra and its cousins make multiple daily booking a breeze.

 

But these days Viagra is going for $40 a pill, $37 if you have insurance. And it lasts 4-6 hrs, so you would need 4 a day. That adds up... ;-)

[MiamiLooker]

So Rockhards $300 haircut is really the same old $17 haircut but he is paying for the real estate and shop owners overhead ? I suggest he walks a few blocks West and actually get the haircut he is paying for. But then again, he wouldnt be able to brag about getting a $300 haircut.

 

Why pay $300 or even $17 for a haircut? He could go to central Massachusetts and get a $7 haircut from gallahadesquire's highly recommended barber. As with the world of escorting, price doesn't determine quality.

[josephga]

I don't have enough hair to justify paying any amount for a hair cut. 2 years ago I bought clippers and started doing my own. hard to screw up a 3 guard all over

[mansniffing]

Where in the world are you buying your Viagra from? That's a gross exaggeration JK. Paying $40 four times a day for Viagra sounds totally insane. BTW: Cialis is longer lasting. I did say V and its cousins. The whole point of the thread was triggered by the $300 fee charged and pocketed by some escorts as mentioned by RockHard. A man earning $300 an hour isn't going to quibble about the price of Erectile Enhancing drugs. BTW: Are you a client or an escort? That would help me to understand where your point of view is coming from.

[gcursor]

I'm with PK on this one. I think people should pay whatever is agreed upon. I also think it's best not to engage in casual chat about finances, money or anything else remotely like that with the escort. I went through this some time back with somebody where I made the mistake of discussing my status as idle conversation. I will NEVER make that mistake ever ever ever ever ever again. Matter of fact, my list of things NOT to talk about with escorts now numbers around 725 items to make sure that the encounter can be as smooth and drama-free as possible.

 

I'm actually thinking that the next escort I see I will hire and we'll stay in separate hotels in separate cities (I'll still pay the airfare) and we'll text each other a few times during the night. I'm pretty sure that's still safe to do.

 

gcursor

 

People ask for discounts all the time. If you ask sometimes you get. Sometimes you don't. If someone asks, a simple I don't do discounts is more than enough. A simple no is really sufficient. As for being concerned about his finances, except for how much he is going to pay you, his financial situation should not be your concern.

i recently had a discussion with an escort who I have seen several times. I had been going through a tough economic patch and had shared that. He said that he felt bad charging me when I was having a hard time financially. (This was in an e mail discussion regarding a different issue and did not revolve around a particular hire.) I stated that while I was sharing information with him that i was having a bit of financial difficulty, i was quite capable of deciding how I would spend my limited funds. In the future, I will refrain from all casual conversations about finances with escorts.

[+ Axiom2001]

I would never ask an escort for a discount. If I cannot afford to hire someone I do not. I have had an escort give me a free session and he now charges me less than he used to (I have been seeing this person since 2006) but that was him making the gesture, not me asking.

 

There are times that I would like to hire but if I do not have the cash then I do not.

 

The above comments are DITTOED! -

[jjkrkwood]

Where in the world are you buying your Viagra from? That's a gross exaggeration JK. Paying $40 four times a day for Viagra sounds totally insane. BTW: Cialis is longer lasting. I did say V and its cousins. The whole point of the thread was triggered by the $300 fee charged and pocketed by some escorts as mentioned by RockHard. A man earning $300 an hour isn't going to quibble about the price of Erectile Enhancing drugs. BTW: Are you a client or an escort? That would help me to understand where your point of view is coming from.

 

I am a client, and quoting the prices that my Pharmacy (Duane Reade, Rite-Aid, large national chains) charged me upon filling my prescriptions. I posted about this previously, and asked the site members for alternatives. And you really never know what escorts will quibble over. Spending $150 a day to maintain a boner might be a quibblesome issue for some ?

[jjkrkwood]

I don't have enough hair to justify paying any amount for a hair cut. 2 years ago I bought clippers and started doing my own. hard to screw up a 3 guard all over

 

LOL, me too.....

[jjkrkwood]

Why pay $300 or even $17 for a haircut? He could go to central Massachusetts and get a $7 haircut from gallahadesquire's highly recommended barber. As with the world of escorting, price doesn't determine quality.

 

YES ML, but to some it sybolizes "prestige"... and bragging rights.

[RockHard]

Sniff, lick and a great cut.

 

clients here in New York would shop for escorts along a strip of Third Avenue and the East Fifties

 

My best friend introduced me to Cowboys & Cowgirls and Rounds. I was very young, and several customers at each bar thought I was there to escort.

 

Prices varied, negotiations took place and when a fee was agreed on deals were sealed on both the street and in the bars.

 

It's true, and on 53rd Street, most of us felt safe. Arrests and robberies did occur, but I never witnessed one.

 

With that time frame a great part of the evening was spent cruising and haggling over prices and scenarios to take place.

 

The process of hiring an escort was as fun as it could be. I don't recall ever haggling over price but I have fond memories of taking a guy to the men's room and watching him drop his pants to show me the goods, front and back. Some of those pre-purchase bathroom stall scenes, especially the sniffing of armpit and tongue action, can still get me hard. Very fond memories, indeed. NYC has changed a lot. At least with the internet, you stand a better chance of a freshly showered man showing up at your door.

 

Well, I get a haircut once a week.

 

If I wore my hair that way, I would seek out a very good barber. You can still get a great barber cut here for under $25. I never recommend that anyone should live a life he can't afford.

 

Bragging and stating reality facts are two different things. Smart, sensitive men know the difference. Trolls will just behave like trolls. I don't love spending $300 on a haircut, but I do love the man, the artist, the drop-dead gorgeous guy who has been cutting my hair for almost 30 years. I met this gifted man on a movie set, and back then he worked at Suga and charged $90. As he matured, so did his talent and his price. When I fall in love with someone and his talent, I tend to remain loyal. That's just the way I am.

[jjkrkwood]

Trolls may be trolls, but they aint Stupid. Good to see there are still people that embody the slogan "A sucker is born every day"...

 

After 30 years of loyal patronage, I'd be damned if I didnt receive a disocunt, instead of a soaking.... LOL.

 

Slice it, dice it, skewer it, whatever, its still ALL about being able to say "I spend $300 on my haircut" which the poster did say in his aloof sort of way, and its just Obnoxious.

[+ azdr0710]

sorry for off-topic (sort of).....once got one of the best cuts ever at this great old local place in Salt Lake City

 

http://cityhomecollective.com/blog/dollar-barber-shop/

[jjkrkwood]

sorry for off-topic (sort of).....once got one of the best cuts ever at this great old local place in Salt Lake City

 

http://cityhomecollective.com/blog/dollar-barber-shop/

 

Do they cut REAL hair on LIVE people ? ;-) ;-)0