When Do Escorts Become a Piece of Meat For You?

[Michael Wayne]

STEVE- right on! Fewer than 30 % of my clients are gay. I love my gay clients but 65% of my clients are married men. To them I am not a piece of meat usually but, instead, a treaured friend and confidant (who just happens to be hot and have a big cock-lol) MOST gay clients do not see me as a piece of meat but as a potential boyfriend. Many develop feelings and it becomes awkward. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[jjkrkwood]

STEVE- right on! Fewer than 30 % of my clients are gay. I love my gay clients but 65% of my clients are married men. To them I am not a piece of meat usually but, instead, a treaured friend and confidant (who just happens to be hot and have a big cock-lol) MOST gay clients do not see me as a piece of meat but as a potential boyfriend. Many develop feelings and it becomes awkward. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

 

We're not TOO humble, are we Mikey ????

[uwsman2]

When with escorts as when with anybody, apply the golden rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I want my escorts to treat me like a person, not like a piece of meat, and I treat them as people, not pieces of meat. In fact, sex with a piece of meat would be boring. I don't enjoy it unless the other guy is enjoying it - or at least acting as if he is. So even though I'm the client, my contribution to the success of the encounter is to give pleasure for pleasure.

[SteveEscort]

When with escorts as when with anybody, apply the golden rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I want my escorts to treat me like a person, not like a piece of meat, and I treat them as people, not pieces of meat. In fact, sex with a piece of meat would be boring. I don't enjoy it unless the other guy is enjoying it - or at least acting as if he is. So even though I'm the client, my contribution to the success of the encounter is to give pleasure for pleasure.

 

Bravo

[whipped guy]

It's all about respect... and ideally a "two-way-street" mutual respect.

 

Heck, over the years I have had a few ho-hum experiences with escorts who have been tauted as the best thing since sliced bread. Consequently, even when a hookup has been less than stellar (and heck it is not always possible for diverse personalities to "click" perfectly during a first time meeting) I always thank the escort... as long as he has been sincere in his efforts... and do so in a way that makes him feel good about himself. Everyone has at least one redeeming feature so I will focus on that. Plus, I want the escort to be made to feel that he at least performed his job in a manner that would be worthy of receiving at least a bit of praise... and especially when it is obvious that he is trying hard and is indeed the genuine article. While I would never ever consider myself to be friends in the traditional sense with any escort... I have been treated as if I were a friend by a few... and their kindness has been deeply appreciated.

 

Incredibly, not all clients... and even those who are deeply satisfied... often think of thanking any service provider for services rendered in a professional manner... and that goes for all professions. However, I know that it makes me feel good when someone thanks me for my efforts in my field of work... so I always make it a point to do the same... and not just when dealing with the world of the working guy.

[+ Charlie]

Just to clarify my earlier post, although I might consider someone as a piece of meat, that doesn't mean I would treat him disrespectfully. I was taught to respect and be thankful for my food, especially for a piece of grade A meat.

[seeker630]

Just to clarify my earlier post, although I might consider someone as a piece of meat, that doesn't mean I would treat him disrespectfully. I was taught to respect and be thankful for my food, especially for a piece of grade A meat.

 

Sadly, I was also taught not to play with my food.

[Michael Wayne]

as Mac Davis sang so many years ago, "Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when your perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror cause I get better lookin each day. to know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man........" Why don't they write songs like that anymore? To answer the post about me earlier in this thread I truly believe HUMILITY is probably not a trait any good escort (or movie star or model) would ever have. We are paid BECA

USE we are hot. to deny that is to lie. Now, with me, I Do not have an attitude or arrogance but no, I am not humble. sorry!

[jjkrkwood]

as Mac Davis sang so many years ago, "Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when your perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror cause I get better lookin each day. to know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man........" Why don't they write songs like that anymore? To answer the post about me earlier in this thread I truly believe HUMILITY is probably not a trait any good escort (or movie star or model) would ever have. We are paid BECA

USE we are hot. to deny that is to lie. Now, with me, I Do not have an attitude or arrogance but no, I am not humble. sorry!

 

Let it be known that Attitude can also make a person VERY ugly. People that are truly HOT dont need to keep reminding us of it. It really gets a bit TIRED Mikey..., and seriously, I am not sure who sold you your mirror, but i would ask for a Refund. In an earlier PM, you asked why I had a problem with you becuase you felt I made an inappropriate comment regarding you. At that time, I had no problem, as I replied, but NOW, I do.... I am not exactly sure if you are pulling our legs with your constant braggodocious comments, and just becuase you have a few clients who want to pay your for sex, doesnt mean they are indeed warranted. All it means is that you appeal to a small sector of the human population. It does NOT mean you are exceptional in any way. I suppose self praise and confidence for an escort is a good thing, but come on Dude, you have taken it to a whole, new OBNOXIOUS level.... And FYI, Its OK to make comments here WITHOUT always bringing your own physical attributes into the comment. The sujbect matter is NOT about you, so try to EDIT..(PLEASE, Mikey supporters, NO hate mail)

[gcursor]

on a quick side-note

 

on a quick side note, JJ.. you do certainly have a style all your own. Unvarnished and no regrets. You definitely do know how to make people respond on the forums. people thrive on it

 

anyway i wanted to say you're definitely filling a niche.

gcursor

 

Let it be known that Attitude can also make a person VERY ugly. People that are truly HOT dont need to keep reminding us of it. It really gets a bit TIRED Mikey..., and seriously, I am not sure who sold you your mirror, but i would ask for a Refund. In an earlier PM, you asked why I had a problem with you becuase you felt I made an inappropriate comment regarding you. At that time, I had no problem, as I replied, but NOW, I do.... I am not exactly sure if you are pulling our legs with your constant braggodocious comments, and just becuase you have a few clients who want to pay your for sex, doesnt mean they are indeed warranted. All it means is that you appeal to a small sector of the human population. It does NOT mean you are exceptional in any way. I suppose self praise and confidence for an escort is a good thing, but come on Dude, you have taken it to a whole, new OBNOXIOUS level.... (PLEASE, Mikey supporters, NO hate mail)

[jjkrkwood]

on a quick side note, JJ.. you do certainly have a style all your own. Unvarnished and no regrets. You definitely do know how to make people respond on the forums. people thrive on it

 

anyway i wanted to say you're definitely filling a niche.

gcursor

 

GC, please be careful of what you say about me here. Any interpretation of support for me will put you on the endangered species list with the "Haters". They are a fierce bunch. I wouldnt want anything BAD to happen to you. But I think your comment was quite nice, and for that, I thank you.

[Phil_musc]

Whipped Guy, a small point for your consideration: while it's nice of you to thank the escort for a good time, in our culture the person who is monetarily benefited is the person who should be doing the thanking. You are the person who is enabling him to buy groceries, have a roof over his head, have some creature comforts; he has enabled you to get off. Even if you are the most unattractive person in the universe you have enabled him to make a living. That trumps anything he has done for you. Now I know I'm going to hear about how this escort has helped someone find themselves as an individual, made them feel good about themselves, helped them to learn a new sex technique, etc. All well and good, but making money and a living is the main thing ultimately. I am constantly amazed when the cashier at the grocery store gives me my change and acts insulted if I don't thank her/him. For what - giving me my change instead of pocketing it? My store patronage allows him/her to have a job which enables him/her to buy food, have a roof over her/his head, buy some creature comforts, etc. Do you see a pattern here? The person who is making the living is benefitting from you and your patronage. You are the one to whom thanks are due. It's nice if you want to thank them, but a better response from you might be, "You're welcome."

 

If anyone is still reading at this point: Mikey, I think you are right - humility is not a quality that a good escort/model/movie star possesses. That does not make him arrogant. It just means that he is aware of a particular truth about himself. Self awareness is neutral, arrogance is not. I've read enough of your posts and I don't see arrogance as a part of your make-up.

[Kippy]

The minute I hand them the cash...

 

Peace,

 

Kipp

[jjkrkwood]

The minute I hand them the cash...

 

Peace,

 

Kipp

 

Love a quick and honest answer.....

[leigh.bess.toad]

Whipped Guy, a small point for your consideration: while it's nice of you to thank the escort for a good time, in our culture the person who is monetarily benefited is the person who should be doing the thanking. You are the person who is enabling him to buy groceries, have a roof over his head, have some creature comforts; he has enabled you to get off. Even if you are the most unattractive person in the universe you have enabled him to make a living. That trumps anything he has done for you. Now I know I'm going to hear about how this escort has helped someone find themselves as an individual, made them feel good about themselves, helped them to learn a new sex technique, etc. All well and good, but making money and a living is the main thing ultimately. I am constantly amazed when the cashier at the grocery store gives me my change and acts insulted if I don't thank her/him. For what - giving me my change instead of pocketing it? My store patronage allows him/her to have a job which enables him/her to buy food, have a roof over her/his head, buy some creature comforts, etc. Do you see a pattern here? The person who is making the living is benefitting from you and your patronage. You are the one to whom thanks are due. It's nice if you want to thank them, but a better response from you might be, "You're welcome."

 

I don't really agree with you on this Phil. Is what you are saying you shouldn't say thank you to the doctor who saved your life, the lawyer who got you off of a criminal charge, a plumber who comes to your house at 2 AM because of a broken water pipe, the fireman who saved your house from burning to the ground completely, or to a member of the military simply because they served? Hey, you were their customer so they should thank you? Really?

[mansniffing]

It is certainly an interesting thread and the responses certainly help to expand one's mind.

[zeyfur]

Let it be known that Attitude can also make a person VERY ugly. People that are truly HOT dont need to keep reminding us of it. It really gets a bit TIRED Mikey..., and seriously, I am not sure who sold you your mirror, but i would ask for a Refund. In an earlier PM, you asked why I had a problem with you becuase you felt I made an inappropriate comment regarding you. At that time, I had no problem, as I replied, but NOW, I do.... I am not exactly sure if you are pulling our legs with your constant braggodocious comments, and just becuase you have a few clients who want to pay your for sex, doesnt mean they are indeed warranted. All it means is that you appeal to a small

 

 

sector of the human population. It does NOT mean you are exceptional in any way. I suppose self praise and confidence

 

 

for an escort is a good thing, but come on Dude, you have taken it to a whole, new OBNOXIOUS level.... And FYI, Its OK

to make comments here WITHOUT always bringing your own physical attributes into the comment. The sujbect matter is

NOT about you, so try to EDIT..(PLEASE, Mikey supporters, NO hate mail)

 

Jj. The problem I have with mikey is that he is very sly and unprofessional. He is constantly starting posts about other escorts which he claims are attempts at discussion but are actually attempts at putting other escorts down. You will recall he started a thread about another escorts negative review asking for peoples opinion despite that fact that the escort had already replied to the review. He always manages to make everything about himself. Glad daddy locked that particular thread.

[whipped guy]

It's all about respect... and ideally a "two-way-street" mutual respect.

 

Whipped Guy, a small point for your consideration: while it's nice of you to thank the escort for a good time, in our culture the person who is monetarily benefited is the person who should be doing the thanking.

 

I don't really agree with you on this Phil. Is what you are saying you shouldn't say thank you to the doctor who saved your life, the lawyer who got you off of a criminal charge, a plumber who comes to your house at 2 AM because of a broken water pipe, the fireman who saved your house from burning to the ground completely, or to a member of the military simply because they served? Hey, you were their customer so they should thank you? Really?

 

The first sentence in my posting as referenced above more or less says it all. Plus my final paragraph was:

 

Incredibly, not all clients... and even those who are deeply satisfied... often think of thanking any service provider for services rendered in a professional manner... and that goes for all professions. However, I know that it makes me feel good when someone thanks me for my efforts in my field of work... so I always make it a point to do the same... and not just when dealing with the world of the working guy.

 

... and I think that more than says it all...

 

Just my two cents...

[RockHard]

I like my meat pink.

 

I haven't yet read any of the replies. When I have time.

 

the game seems to change when you're no longer in the game

 

What game? And if there is a game, who decides when you leave the table? Seems to me, you decide.

 

I never thought of cruising as much of a game. Either I have time to hook-up or I don't. As I've gotten older, I'm much less shy. I no longer waste time wondering. If I want something and someone signals back, I act. Life gets shorter when you're older.

 

now that some are not any longer getting laid on their own and are now paying for what their youth once brought to them

 

I don't yet fall into this category, although at 50, I may still be considered young (if you're 80, perhaps). I don't look the same as I did when I was 23 but I like my older, stylish-fit-dad look.

 

When you like (love) yourself, you will appear sexy to others, no matter what your age. I get propositions for free sex all the time. I rarely leave the gym without an offer for a blowjob. Had a mild 3-way just yesterday in the sauna, one guy licking my pits while another guy sucked me off. Both guys were early 30's. I didn't cum but the action was a fun turn-on. Maybe it's NYC but guys of every age love cock here. And I see quite a few older fatties engaging as well.

 

Youth is wasted on the young. Sure, their skin is smooth and their ass cheeks haven't fallen yet but, for me, sexy requires more life experience, more wisdom. I prefer a different kind of energy that (too) young guys don't seem to possess.

 

How have YOU changed because of your older age as to how you relate to younger gay men and how you expect them to relate to you?

 

I love working with smart, talented younger guys. But the fun usually ends when the work ends. As I get older, I have less patience for personal bullshit, and youth tend to carry a lot of insecurity/bullshit with them. I've learned to smell bullshit a mile away. So rather than endure, I move on.

 

Young gay men rarely get me hard. I surround myself with smart ones but that's always a business decision, nothing personal. When you work with the most handsome men in modeling and show business, pretty faces take on a new meaning. Personality trumps looks. The older I get, the more I appreciate and get turned on by the less perfect guys. (Just no fatties.)

 

I like sex with men in their 30's and 40's. I have the most fun with this age group. Older than 40, one has to be careful and choose wisely. I will never get turned on by a gay man's face that has evidence of cosmetic surgery. IMO, surgery queens are gross and ugly. A real turn-off. Jaded, mean queens are a turn-off, too, especially the not-so-closeted alcoholics.

 

how do you believe that younger men...20 or 30 years your junior should relate to you when everything is...predicated upon...your own sexual gratification?

 

All an escort has to do, no matter what age, is make me believe he enjoys bringing pleasure to another man. There will always be money for men who don't have to act. And for those who are the best actors.

 

But, then again, I'm not a demanding client, not in the sense of over-worked sexual fantasy. When it comes to sex, intense vanilla works fine with me. I don't need toys, a leather wardrobe, and sex furniture to have a worthwhile time. A great body odor and a sensual touch is enough stimulation to send me to the moon. Sweet breath helps, too.

[bigvalboy]

What are you doing here?, thought we all agreed you were going to therapy with all the other FATTIES.

[jjkrkwood]

What are you doing here?, thought we all agreed you were going to therapy with all the other FATTIES.

 

If he does, I bet he'll be the BIGGEST LOSER....(of weight).........

[Phil_musc]

"I don't really agree with you on this Phil. Is what you are saying you shouldn't say thank you to the doctor who saved your life, the lawyer who got you off of a criminal charge, a plumber who comes to your house at 2 AM because of a broken water pipe, the fireman who saved your house from burning to the ground completely, or to a member of the military simply because they served? Hey, you were their customer so they should thank you? Really?"

 

What I am saying, Lee, is that in our culture the person receiving the money is the one who should be thanking the payer. Now you can muddy the waters with your emotionally-laden scenarios that you list above, but somehow the services that I get from a doctor who saved my life, or the lawyer who got me off a criminal charge, plumber who came to my house at 2 am (well - if he was cute and I had met him in a bar, oh but that's another matter), or the fireman who kept my house from burning to the ground you seem to be equating with what I may be getting from an escort. Yes, I know the good ones go way beyond the call of duty and give much more than hot, sweaty experiences. But I'm not equating this with saving my life, saving my house, saving my ass from going to jail, etc. Sorry - they are not equivalent. I would thank them (probably as a matter of course because of who I am), but I still say the one holding the cash at the end is the one who should be thanking. If I am thanking it is because I am being emotional about it and feeling grateful - but that might actually be a self-esteem issue. Perhaps it is a two-way street - in America we all seem to need to feel good about ourselves but this makes for blurred and blended thinking with lines being erased or obfuscated. Believe it or not, I have been thanked by doctors and dentists (and not because they might have enjoyed themselves with me). Fortunately I haven't had to use a lawyer to get me off a criminal charge, so I'll have to get back to you on that one; but in civil legal proceedings it is fairly routine, I believe, for an attorney to thank a client. But then again, that's another profession with a public image problem. The military is another point entirely to me - guys who got drafted to fight in Viet Nam or enlisted to fight in WWII - I just don't think is a parallel situation at all. A little like the earlier poster who analogized having a baby with smoking - both matters of choice and both having possible health repercussion. That one really pushed the aburdity envelope, I thought.

 

Rockhard, I thoroughly enjoyed your last post and found a lot there that resonated with me also. Thanks.

 

Enough - time to go back to semi-retirement.

[whipped guy]

What I am saying, Lee, is that in our culture the person receiving the money is the one who should be thanking the payer. Now you can muddy the waters with your emotionally-laden scenarios that you list above...

I will admit that Lee's examples might have been a bit over the top... but simply based upon common courtesy... while I would never think of tipping my dentist for example... I always do thank him...

[Phil_musc]

That's nice of you, but I stand by my position - follow the money - the person left holding the cash at the end of the transaction is the beneficiary and as such should be thanking the person purchasing the service. After all, you could go elsewhere with your business and this is also the case in the scenario above. Why are you thanking your dentist? Is your mouth and/or breath so terrible that a even a professional would be challenged to stomach cleaning your teeth? It's a job - you can raise the emotional aspect of it, but that is clouding the etiquette of the business.

[Steven_Draker]

in our culture the person receiving the money is the one who should be thanking the payer

 

Same goes for 'our' culture too. Makes perfect sense to me.