The Captain has turned on the seatbelt sign...

[orbital sander]

Well Aviation is that tight Captain. I mentioned to T. Michie Hill that I knew a dashing pilot of PUBLIC CHARTER aircraft out of MEM that flew around with a Min Pin, and by golly, he knows you! Wonder if he has ever met BN...?

 

It is so miraculous that you can somehow work your favorite escorts into any thread...do you have a BN / Noah D. tattoo??

[+ glutes]

Another Kooky Kaptain! Aviation is that tight...

 

 

It is far too early to know if any physical incapacitation was any part of this accident. Each and every pilot must have a medical review on a regular basis and, by law, meaning the Federal Air Regulations, are required to remove themselves from flight status if they are ill.

 

Every day we go out and "play" in traffic, never giving much if any thought to going 75 MPH a very few feet from another car, the driver of which might be talking on a cell phone, putting on make-up or combing hair. The US manages to kill 30,000+ in this manner every year. Still, the onlookers at a race are entitled to a higher standard but accidents will happen unless we cancel each and every event.

 

I take it personally when other pilots are killed, even though I did not know this particular one. I am sure I know someone who did know him. Aviation is that tight.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Wonder why this Captain didn't "remove himself from flight status"...

 

A JetBlue pilot Monday raced inside a JetBlue airliner screaming obscenities and shouting about threats from al-Qaida and bombs aboard the aircraft, forcing an emergency landing in Amarillo, passengers told LubbockOnline.com.

 

A half-dozen to 10 passengers jumped atop the pilot and pinned him to the floor, passengers said. Flight 191 landed at Rick Husband Amarillo International Airport at 10:11 a.m., JetBlue said in a statement.

 

The aircraft was carrying people bound from New York to Las Vegas, Nev., for a security convention, passengers said. JetBlue and Transportation Security Administration officials described the pilot as having a medical condition. He was transported to Northwest Texas Hospital, officials said. He has not been identified.

 

The crew kicked the pilot out of the cockpit, and he turned unruly, attempting to use the intercom system, which had been disabled, said Josh Redick, 41, of New York. A passenger who works in the security business choked the pilot and took him down, passenger Gabriel Schonzeit said.

 

http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/03/27/jetblue-pilot-incident-leads-to-unscheduled-texas-stop/

[+ glutes]

The more I read about this JetFU Captain, I would rather have Slim Pickens flyin' me...

 

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[Guest Kyle_K]

The more I read about this JetFU Captain, I would rather have Slim Pickens flyin' me...

 

Taunting KMEM into a fight, simply because he IS an actual pilot with different political views from yourself, reminds me of why it never gets better for any of our youth.

 

This Jet-blue episode has nothing to do with anyone, except for the unfortunate and seemingly unbalanced pilot who put a hundred plus people into fear and terror because of his state of mind. KMEM might fall into that category for you, but he was probably as far away from that event as you probably were.

 

It just seems juvenile to me to blame everything which might happen within the aviation industry or TSA on KMEM. He may differ in his views about events in the news but he probably has never had more the 3 or 4 people under his flight control at any one given time to begin with. Not that 3 or 4 people are not important souls on board...but given the vast scope of deaths and downed aircraft in this continuing conversation - it seems, sadly, minimal.

 

Disagree with the man for his views, but good God don't place every commercial aviation event that happens on his door-step because of him.

[+ glutes]

Taunting KMEM into a fight, simply because he IS an actual pilot with different political views from yourself, reminds me of why it never gets better for any of our youth.

 

This Jet-blue episode has nothing to do with anyone, except for the unfortunate and seemingly unbalanced pilot who put a hundred plus people into fear and terror because of his state of mind. KMEM might fall into that category for you, but he was probably as far away from that event as you probably were.

 

It just seems juvenile to me to blame everything which might happen within the aviation industry or TSA on KMEM. He may differ in his views about events in the news but he probably has never had more the 3 or 4 people under his flight control at any one given time to begin with. Not that 3 or 4 people are not important souls on board...but given the vast scope of deaths and downed aircraft in this continuing conversation - it seems, sadly, minimal.

 

Disagree with the man for his views, but good God don't place every commercial aviation event that happens on his door-step because of him.

 

""The more I read about this JetFU Captain, I would rather have Slim Pickens flyin' me...""

 

And where in my quote do I mention KMEM? Sarcastic cracks on JetFU being JetBlue, and Slim Pickens being a being a better pilot than todays on Flight 191... Lighten up Bro, you are a 35 post Apprentice!

[jimboivyo]

""The more I read about this JetFU Captain, I would rather have Slim Pickens flyin' me...""

 

And where in my quote do I mention KMEM? Sarcastic cracks on JetFU being JetBlue, and Slim Pickens being a being a better pilot than todays on Flight 191... Lighten up Bro, you are a 35 post Apprentice!

 

you mentioned KMEM when you included his previous text in your response. you know exactly what you're starting here, so why not keep quiet for once and let the adults do the talking.

 

and stop with the 'bro.' you're not 18.

[+ glutes]

The more I read about this JetFU Captain, I would rather have Slim Pickens flyin' me...

 

Above is the exact quote Kyle_K used. No reference to KMEM.

 

Now why don't you let the adults who don't have a fleet of Cessna Citation X's at their disposal comment here...

[KMEM]

We won't know for quite some time what "caused" this pilot to have this incident (if ever). But I consider it an excellent example of why we do not need the TSA or the federal government so "involved" in our lives. The other crew members and passengers took care of the situation.

 

When folks take responsibility for their own actions and try to help those around them, inevitibly good things do happen. If a passenger had a heart attack on a flight, I would like to think a variation of the same thing would happen. Other passengers would try to help as well as the crew. The flight would be diverted to a nearby city with a medical facility that likely could treat the passenger.

 

The difference here is the "sick" person was a crew member. US pilots are subject to intensive mental and physical background checks but, like all human enterprises, no system is perfect and never will be.

 

The reason I wrote, "if ever" is because stories such as this tend to "disappear" from the news media fairly quickly or are relegated to page 97. After all, no one was injured and no property damage occurred, therefore it will cease to be "news" soon.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[jgoo]

US pilots are subject to intensive mental and physical background checks but, like all human enterprises, no system is perfect and never will be.

 

 

I wonder and perhaps KMEM can let us know if the screening and checks for mental condition of pilots is a one off check or are they done at regular intervals (and if so how frequently). As a frequent flier, my curiosity is peeked on this subject.

[jjkrkwood]

As any logical person knows, you can have NO history of mental disorder BUT can suddenly SNAP for whatever reason.

 

I have not studied this news story in depth, but it appears there was no previous indication of any disturbance with the pilot. Its just one of those things...

[bigvalboy]

so why not keep quiet for once and let the adults do the talking.

 

This is a public forum and everyone has a right to post here. Certainly no one has the right to tell anyone to 'Be Quiet', or has the right to tell some one to 'Shut the "F" up..... regardless how you feel about that person, giving exception of course to those members who use multiple screen names with multiple personalities. A disorder like that is always the exception rather than the rule...

[rguer]

I wonder and perhaps KMEM can let us know if the screening and checks for mental condition of pilots is a one off check or are they done at regular intervals (and if so how frequently). As a frequent flier, my curiosity is peeked on this subject.

 

http://flightphysical.com/part67/Class1/67subb_67107.htm

 

There are screenings and requirements, but I don't know how thorough the investigation is. Probably not very, given the stories I've heard about the number of pilots on antidepressants back in the days when they weren't allowed. But anything obvious would probably be reported.

[KMEM]

The pilot's AME, Aviation Medical Examiner aka FAA doctor, will be observant for any signs of "problems" either mental or physical. The Federal Air Regulations state a pilot MUST report any medications, treatments, etc. which might affect his ability to fly safely. The FAA has access to all of your medical history. Remember those little forms you sign when you visit any doc that allow insurance companies, other doctors, etc. to view your medical history. A pilot does that and more as part of his medical approval. That includes a review and search of his national driver's record. The FAA really frowns on abusing alcohol among pilots.

 

Crew members, wives, husbands, boy or girl friends and others know lives are at stake and don't usually just ignore any overt symptoms exhibited by a pilot.

 

A captain must undergo such an examination every 6 months and the FO aka co-pilot must every 12 months.

 

So, if a pilot is "trying" to avoid being "caught" with a mental problem, he must NEVER seek any kind of treatment and also be able to conceal his "problem(s)" from almost everyone who comes into contact with him or her. Generally, if he is that clever, he might not be THAT sick. Just my opinion.

 

Obviously, something that "suddenly" occurs will avoid all that screening and is certainly possible. But, how rare is that? If a driver in oncoming traffic suddenly veers into your lane a few feet from your car, what are the chances of preventing or avoiding the resulting accident? Just about zero.

 

Pilots are NOT given multiple chances similar to what the courts and the public seem to give alcoholics. One mis-step by a pilot at the very least puts him under an intense microscope and scrutiny the rest of his career if it does not end it right then. Compare that to drunks who have killed many folks, been arrested for DUI many multiple times and still are out and about.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[jgoo]

Very interesting system in place. On one hand, it seems to discourage any pilot from voluntarily seeking help or treatment for a problem. But on the other hand, without specific details on pilots that do seek help or are somehow detected, we can only assume that it seems to work for the most part.

 

I wonder if any other professions of any type have the same standards/rules for monitoring as is in place for pilots. Perhaps air traffic controllers.

[rguer]

You are correct, the system discourages treatment. The FAA has recently eased, but not removed, the ban on antidepressants. Before that, there is anecdotal evidence that some pilots sought treatment outside regular channels - not their regular doctor, paid cash, etc - so neither their insurance company nor the FAA would ever know about it. Not ideal in terms of treatment, but they didn't lose their jobs.

 

A number of transportation jobs have medical requirements.

[jgoo]

The latest from CNN:

 

The JetBlue captain whose midair meltdown led to an emergency landing has been charged with interfering with a flight crew. According to an affidavit, Clayton Osbon on Tuesday left the cockpit of Flight 191 from New York to Las Vegas after behaving oddly. The co-pilot locked him out of the cockpit, and crew and passengers subdued Osbon in the cabin. The Airbus A320 was diverted to Amarillo, Texas. Osbon, 49, has been suspended pending an investigation and is receiving medical treatment, the airline said on Wednesday.

[MiamiLooker]

This is a public forum and everyone has a right to post here. Certainly no one has the right to tell anyone to 'Be Quiet', or has the right to tell some one to 'Shut the "F" up..... regardless how you feel about that person, giving exception of course to those members who use multiple screen names with multiple personalities. A disorder like that is always the exception rather than the rule...

 

It’s really not that uncommon for posters to tell others to shut up; usually, it’s by pleading or demanding for threads to be closed.

[bigvalboy]

It’s really not that uncommon for posters to tell others to shut up; usually, it’s by pleading or demanding for threads to be closed.

 

Actually I disagree with you to a certain degree. While it is a fine line, there is a difference I believe. Asking for a thread that has gotten nasty to be closed is different than just telling a fellow member to shut the "F" up or to tell someone to stop talking simply because you do not like the member or his or her opinion. In the end, respect for each other and their thoughts and contributions to this forum is what should rule the day. Many of us forget that this forum is privately owned and operated by Daddy. We are here by permission only. Just because we access this site from our own personal computers, does not give someone the right to tell other members to 'Shut up".....regardless of how many screen names a person hides behind. Just because it is done, doen't make it the right thing to do...

[+ glutes]

maybe he can join the Kony2012 video maker...

 

We won't know for quite some time what "caused" this pilot to have this incident (if ever).

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Here are some indicators:

 

Bill Curley, a friend of Osbon's for nearly 30 years, said Osbon was a Christian who had become "increasingly" religious but wasn't fanatical.

 

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/03/27/national/a111537D49.DTL#ixzz1qTZlJEXU

 

Osbon started rambling about religion. He scolded air traffic controllers to quiet down, then turned off the radios altogether, and dimmed the monitors in the cockpit. He said aloud that “things just don’t matter” and encouraged his co-pilot that they take a leap of faith.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/documents-jetblue-captain-grew-increasingly-erratic-told-co-pilot-to-take-a-leap-of-faith/2012/03/28/gIQAPY5VhS_story.html

 

"The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows his handiwork..."

- Psalm 19:1

 

And I called this out 5 years ago:

** http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?64195-religion-is-a-neurological-disorder **

[leigh.bess.toad]

And of course, now the story has taken a "gay" turn.

 

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Carson Daly took to his radio show today to sound off on the JetBlue Airways pilot charged with interfering with a flight crew after sprinting through the cabin of a Las Vegas-bound flight screaming about terrorists and 9/11 -- but his comments may ruffle a few feathers among the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.

 

Noting that passengers wrestled Captain Clayton Osbon to the ground prior to an emergency landing, Daly said, "On this particular flight, most of the people were on their way to some sort of security conference in Las Vegas...so it was a bunch of dudes, and well-trained dudes."

 

As TMZ is reporting, Daly then suggested that gays would not brave enough to handle such a dangerous situation: "If that were me...with my luck, it would be like, 'This is the flight going to the [gay] pride parade in San Francisco.'" He then added, "Uh, we're headed down to Vegas for the floral convention."

 

As a number of bloggers have pointed out, the media personality seems to have forgotten about Mark Bingham, the openly gay man who reportedly joined several passengers in storming the cockpit of United Airlines Flight 93 after it was hijacked during the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

Daly has since tweeted an apology.

 

"This morning on my radio show I attempted to make fun of myself & offended others by mistake. I sincerely apologize."

 

Well I guess if it's a sincere apology it must be okay.

 

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[seeker630]

Actually I disagree with you to a certain degree. While it is a fine line, there is a difference I believe. Asking for a thread that has gotten nasty to be closed is different than just telling a fellow member to shut the "F" up or to tell someone to stop talking simply because you do not like the member or his or her opinion. In the end, respect for each other and their thoughts and contributions to this forum is what should rule the day. Many of us forget that this forum is privately owned and operated by Daddy. We are here by permission only. Just because we access this site from our own personal computers, does not give someone the right to tell other members to 'Shut up".....regardless of how many screen names a person hides behind. Just because it is done, doen't make it the right thing to do...

 

I agree! There is a difference between a personal remark directed at one person and a plea to the moderators or the membership in general.

[KMEM]

The "system" does not discourage a pilot from voluntarily seeking help but it is careful to not let things go beyond "redemption", so to speak. Yes, a pilot can be helped but he will not fly while the help is occurring and he has to be "cured" before he might fly again.

 

You are correct to "assume" that it works for the most part. Just observe the fact that airliners and other aircraft are not falling from the skies willy nilly.

[MiamiLooker]

I agree! There is a difference between a personal remark directed at one person and a plea to the moderators or the membership in general.

 

There may be a difference, but the expected results of both are to stifle the opinions of others. If there are posts that violate TOS rules, there is a process in place to report that to the moderators.

[bigvalboy]

If there are posts that violate TOS rules, there is a process in place to report that to the moderators.

 

While I agree that you certainly have a valid point here, my comment also goes a little further. I am not sure why people feel that behind the safety of this anonymous world we live in, where there are a multitude of opinions on almost every subject, telling someone to "Shut the Fuck up" simply because you disagree with them or dislike them or telling someone to be quiet and let others talk, is something that just should not go on among adults, regardless of the TOS or the moderators or Daddy.

 

Teasing someone or poking fun at something that was said, I get that, but downright nasty, and vile comments have no place in any conversation, regardless of format. Just because a moderator or Daddy does not step in, doesn't make what is said the proper thing to do or the fair way in which to conduct ones conversation.

 

We obviously disagree here, so perhaps we should leave it at that....Regards, BVB

[MiamiLooker]

We obviously disagree here, so perhaps we should leave it at that....Regards, BVB

 

LOL, I think I understand your position: “once I’ve stated my opinion, no need for you to state yours”