Back on the Saddle.....

[dfermer]

Dear Forum Members,

 

First, thank you for all of your support. It has been a bit since my disastrous encounter with that ass hole, but now I have decided to move up and on and try again. A lot of you have been very supportive and I appreciate it greatly. I have been down a little the last few weeks and extra busy with finals so that is why I have not said hello sooner. I have decided, you are right, I will not let one moron ruin my fantasy. I would like to mention a couple of things first in response to the comments I saw in my previous post. Yes I have tried meeting a smokin hot guy, except each one I tried meeting gave me attitude, did not reply to my emails or texts and if I wanted to meet them to verify who they were in their pics (before committing to a full hour) they hung up on me. Talk about very unprofessional! Wow! What is really funny is that I got a lot of flack on this list for trying to determine the truthfulness of some of these escorts (like refusing to pay unless they look like the pic they display). So to respond to those who commented: Yes I am looking for a smokin hot guy! Why the hell not?? I am paying for it. I like all American fratmen.tv type guys. and Sean Cody, Corbin Fischer young very attractive white guys who take very good care of themselves and are not Femm. The reason why I have not yet found someone is because of the above reasons (attitude, refuse to meet beforehand etc.) and not because my "standards are too high" If I smell something fishy I look elsewhere. Sadly, I missed this last one.

 

Oh yeah and to set the record straight, the reason I am not going to divulge his name is not because I am a woos. I am actually a pretty strong, fit guy. I am an average, maybe a tiny bit over average looking guy (been told). I am not a model but I do want one, which is why I have to pay for a model That bastard physically did not scare me one iota. However, I am also totally closeted and cannot allow anyone to find out about me (no comments on this, you will not change my situation so please don't try). So here I am back on the saddle!!

 

I have begun doing a ton of research on other, (hopefully legitimate) escorts. I am currently looking into Premier Escorts Sebastian. They seem a bit cheaper than others which is very helpful to me at this point in my life. So if you have other recommendations, please tell me.

 

Thank you for "listening" and for all of your help,

 

DF

[JT Brooklyn]

Your Sean Cody/Corbin Fisher tastes are very comendable. BUT I seriously doubt your going to find them at Premier or below the Market $250 Rate!

 

I just thought I might give you a preview of the answers you might end up getting from various very Hot Guys in the future.

 

Good Luck in your search...

[jjkrkwood]

WOW, it seems this escort thing consumes alot of your time. Sadly, alot of us have jobs and need to work and cant spend so much time researching escorts, although in practice, its a good move. I cant tell from your email, but I would hope you are not letting this escort thing "consume" you. In theory, hiring and experiencing escorts should be a FUN thing, not an exhausting project. It also seems like your Fantasy expectatations are so HIGH, and your physical criteria so specific that whoever you end up choosing will ultimatly "disappoint" you. Take a step back, and re-think this whole thing and maybe you will realize its not the escort thats disappointing you, its your unrealisitc expecatations. Each persons definition of "smoking hot" will be somewhat diff, so keep in mind a pic is not always a true representation of the person. Some people are very photogenic and some arent, and some pics are "altered" by design. I wish you well, and truly hope you find a hire that can live up to your "vision"....

[dfermer]

jjkrkwood

 

Thanks for your reply and I totally agree with you. I do have a life, school, fam etc. and I have other things to do. The problem is that this process requires research, there's no way around it. But the only reason why I have to do research is because of dishonest people who lie! I do not want to get ripped off....again! If people were honest and real, this would be a much quicker shorter process. So the searching is not fun but hopefully the encounter will be.

[JT Brooklyn]

dfermer..Keep doing your research it will pay off in the long run. You might even find a "Working Guy" who you may become a "Regular" with.

 

There are many who become regulars partly for the Convenience of where they are located and don't have the need for a New Face everytime they Pop Wood!

[Kevin Slater]

I have tried meeting a smokin hot guy, except each one I tried meeting gave me attitude, did not reply to my emails or texts and if I wanted to meet them to verify who they were in their pics (before committing to a full hour) they hung up on me. Talk about very unprofessional! Wow!

 

A professional will necessarily weed out the jackers off, time wasters, and those impossible to satisfy. Your cumulative posts to this board suggest that you fall into each of these categories. You've had just one encounter, an unsuccessful one at that, and yet insist on attempting to rewrite the rules for those of us who are very experienced in this biz. And you're trying to do it on a budget, too!

 

You are eager to project the reason for your continued failures onto the escorts when your posts and indeed your attitude illustrate that it lies far closer to home.

 

I would wish you luck but suspect all the luck in the world couldn't culminate in an outcome which would pacify you. So how 'bout you stop bashing the escorts for doing their jobs instead?

 

Kevin Slater

[Decatur Guy]

Buddy row, you are not back in the saddle. You're still on the fence, looking at the horses but afraid to mount one of those studs and take a ride.

 

I pretty much agree with Kevin Slater. As I said before, you are close to NYC. AND YOU CAN'T FIND AN ESCORT? You ain't gonna find one. It just doesn't seem to sink in with you that you're in the best place in the country to find someone, and yet here you are all this time later with no hire. There's no way you're actually seriously about pulling the trigger. You just want to fuck around, but not literally.

 

Last time that I briefly breezed through the first couple of pages of rentboy for NYC, I saw about 20 guys I'd contact.

[Bosguy]

Kevin and Decatur are 100% on. I have no problem getting together wiyh well repected and reviewed escorts because of the way I treat them from the initial contact. They are treated with the RESPECT they so rightfully deserve which is exactly what I ask of them. It is a 50/50 arrangement and if you expect success in meeting these professional men, you had best change your attitude.

ill K.

[crok]

Kevin and Decatur are 100% on. I have no problem getting together wiyh well repected and reviewed escorts because of the way I treat them from the initial contact. They are treated with the RESPECT they so rightfully deserve which is exactly what I ask of them. It is a 50/50 arrangement and if you expect success in meeting these professional men, you had best change your attitude.

ill K.

 

 

Can't agree more with this. I have found that some of the younger guys have more attitude but what do you expect? If you go with well reviewed guys, treat them with respect, and have REASONABLE expectations, it usually turns out great, or at least not bad.

[Epigonos]

Right up front I will admit that I didn’t follow your previous thread. Frankly I think one can NEVER do too much research. I spent a good six months doing research before I hired my first escort. I have always used rentboy and other similar sites as eye candy and as a starting place. Once I find a guy, on one of these sites, who interests me I check here for a review. After reading the escorts review(s) I very carefully read the self- description that the client provides. These descriptions are “almost” as important to me as the review. I look for reviews written by clients who are similar to me.

 

In the New York market you should definitely find the type of guy you are seeking. It is “generally” true that the guys you are looking for (that applies particularly to age) are those most likely to exhibit attitude – they can afford to have attitude they have it all, youth and beauty. The one problem you will definitely encounter in the New York market is price. What you want doesn’t come cheap. You will probably have to pay a minimum of $250 to $300 or more an hour.

 

Good luck and keep trying!!!!!

[uwsman2]

Actually, reading about all this research strikes me as just a bit funny, because back in the day when I was first hiring (we're talking late

1970s) there were basically three alternatives - (1) go to a hustler bar or similar venue and shop in person, (2) use the cryptic, short ads in the Advocate pink pages and similar venues, or (3) call one of the few agencies, describe what you want, and hope the guy they send you is something like what you requested. There was no such thing as "on line". Until the Advocate started accommodating small B&W photos in their classifieds, method #2 didn't give you a clue what people looked like. And somehow I managed to connect with some really hot and fun guys. And yes, there were some duds as well. That's life.

 

With the resources you have today, I find it difficult to understand how you are having trouble finding an appropriate escort in the NYC market. The problem of fake photos on rentboy.com and other sites is ameliorated by the existence of this site - if you restrict yourself to guys who are reviewed here and check out the photos of the guys who interest you, chances are good you'll make a match so long as you are reasonably tolerant of slight deviations from your preconceptions of perfection. Reviewers on this site will mention if escorts don't look like their pics - and sometimes what they say is that the escort looks better than his pics. (This has happened to me. To use an example of a wonderful escort who retired from the biz a few years ago, Talvin deMacchio - I always thought his pics and videos were smoking hot, but the first time I met him in the flesh I was blown away by how much sexier he was in person than his already very sexy photos. Live in three dimensions is just different, even when a guy has had his pics made by a real pro. Nothing beats real life. I'd say the same, to take a current active escort, about Rafael Alencar - fine as the photos are, the reality is multiple times hotter, and the erect cock looms so much bigger than you anticipated.)

 

Good luck. Don't be discouraged. And be willing to take a little risk with less than perfection. You may be pleasantly surprised.

[Rhinestone Cowboy]

Listen DFermer, a lot of the frustration you are getting from other posters here is coming from the fact that you are approaching this in a very entitled way as if just because you fantasize about something it should exist and it should exist on your terms and the process should go exactly the way you think it should go. Let me give you a clue: you do not dictate the rules of this game. You are merely paying to enter the game, but the game has pre-determined rules and if you think you can rewrite the rules you are going to get burned. Stop doing a lifetime of "research" and stop spending endless hours writing diatribes on this forum about what unprofessional liars every single escort in the western hemisphere is based on your one single solitary experience in the field, where the only reason you were taken to the cleaners was because YOU, in fact, did not play the game correctly and were incredibly naive. If you actually want to have an experience with another man, there is a very quick and simple way to go about it and it that will take you a total of TEN minutes. Here's what you do:

 

1. Go to rentboy.com, men4rentnow.com or rentmen.com.

2. Search your area for the available escorts. If there is not a single one you like, then your work is done. The person doesn't exist for you. End of story.

3. If you DO happen to find acceptable candidates, search daddysreviews.com for reviews. If there are no reviews, then you are taking a gamble and you might get scammed a second time, and so you are out of luck again. Grab your cock and return to jacking off to your fratmen.tv porn videos when your wife is looking the other way -- that's as good as it's gonna get for you at this point. Sorry, dude.

4. If you find an acceptable candidate AND they are well reviewed on Daddysreviews, then it looks like you're in business. Now, if you're in NY you're going to have to pay $250-$300 an hour. If you are unwilling to pay that price at this time...return to your porn until you are able to afford to play.

5. Final step: call him and make an appointment for however much time you can afford. Don't ask for extras, like "approval meetings" -- you won't get them...and you won't NEED them, because you've chosen someone who's well reviewed. Got it?

 

So, let me recap: You see what's out there, you read the reviews, you buy the one you can afford. Not that complicated. 10 minutes.

 

Now that we've gone over the basics, you should also give some thought to what YOU are going to bring to the party (aside from a wad of cash). You are used to watching porn, where you are presented a fantasy and you are a passive voyeur (look it up, it's another word for "viewer"). You've been watching OTHER people have sex. What you need to realize is that when you are with an escort, it's a REAL HUMAN BEING -- and that means you are actually going to have to INTERACT with that person in an intimate, personal situation. If you bring judgment, criticism, paranoia and an attitude you might find it difficult to connect with the person you are paying to spend time with you. If, on the other hand, you want to get the most out of your money, I would recommend bringing friendliness, willingness, enthusiasm and, most importantly, RESPECT to the date.

 

I think you are actually very brave to be venturing out and doing this at all. It sounds like your situation is difficult. I sincerely wish you well. But I think if you approached this with more HUMILITY you would have much better success. You need to realize that if escorts are repeatedly hanging up on you or rejecting your screening methods then the problem might lie in YOUR approach and not in some global lack of professionalism within the world's oldest profession.

 

Good luck.

[uwsman2]

Rhinestone Cowboy - common sense from an "apprentice" -

Here's my endorsement from a veteran: what he said!

[jjkrkwood]

Rhinestone Cowboy - common sense from an "apprentice" -

Here's my endorsement from a veteran: what he said!

 

Rhinestone Cowboy servin up "Tuff Love"..... cant agree more, as I posted early on... The OP's problem is misplaced.... Look within.

[+ Gar1eth]

Rhinestone Cowboy servin up "Tuff Love"..... cant agree more, as I posted early on... The OP's problem is misplaced.... Look within.

 

 

I think a lot of dfermer's problems may be due to his attitudes and expectations. But just a few remarks of my own. While going with a well reviewed escort makes the chances a lot better, we all know that it's still not foolproof. And while NYC has the largest population of escorts in the USA-- there really aren't that many of the type he wants. He wants from what I understand young, caucasian, muscular, but not a bodybuilder,guy of Northern European heritage-- the prototypical Midwestern guy next store. I wouldn't mind meeting a guy like that myself. New York seems to have a lot of Mediterranean, Latin American, Brasilian, more mature guys. But guys with his desired characteristics are not plentiful even in NYC. He actually might do better if he were in LA or Chicago and much better in Germany, England, Denmark, or Norway.

 

Gman

[cany10011]

Maybe he should consider doing a dirty weekend in Montreal. The boys are pretty hot there. He can go to the strip bars and see if a few of them might consider doing privates (many of them do!) and he can sample/see the goods prior to making a decision. Continental often has a lot of discounted weekend specials to Montreal and Toronto (starting at 128 roundtrip before taxes).

 

 

 

I think a lot of dfermer's problems may be due to his attitudes and expectations. But just a few remarks of my own. While going with a well reviewed escort makes the chances a lot better, we all know that it's still not foolproof. And while NYC has the largest population of escorts in the USA-- there really aren't that many of the type he wants. He wants from what I understand young, caucasian, muscular, but not a bodybuilder,guy of Northern European heritage-- the prototypical Midwestern guy next store. I wouldn't mind meeting a guy like that myself. New York seems to have a lot of Mediterranean, Latin American, Brasilian, more mature guys. But guys with his desired characteristics are not plentiful even in NYC. He actually might do better if he were in LA or Chicago and much better in Germany, England, Denmark, or Norway.

 

Gman

[jjkrkwood]

I think a lot of dfermer's problems may be due to his attitudes and expectations. But just a few remarks of my own. While going with a well reviewed escort makes the chances a lot better, we all know that it's still not foolproof. And while NYC has the largest population of escorts in the USA-- there really aren't that many of the type he wants. He wants from what I understand young, caucasian, muscular, but not a bodybuilder,guy of Northern European heritage-- the prototypical Midwestern guy next store. I wouldn't mind meeting a guy like that myself. New York seems to have a lot of Mediterranean, Latin American, Brasilian, more mature guys. But guys with his desired characteristics are not plentiful even in NYC. He actually might do better if he were in LA or Chicago and much better in Germany, England, Denmark, or Norway.

 

Gman

 

Oh Cum On, doesnt Bel Ami have a bevy of young, ripped, blonde, blue-eyed, uncut beauties running around NYC ????? Dferm needs to hit the streets of NYC with his butterfly net, but then again, he might not like what they are wearing ?

[jjkrkwood]

Maybe he should consider doing a dirty weekend in Montreal. The boys are pretty hot there. He can go to the strip bars and see if a few of them might consider doing privates (many of them do!) and he can sample/see the goods prior to making a decision. Continental often has a lot of discounted weekend specials to Montreal and Toronto (starting at 128 roundtrip before taxes).

 

Now theres a thought ! Sign me up for that excursion........

[Steven_Draker]

Excellent response, Rhinestone Cowboy.

 

Sometimes, I think that a fantasy about a "SMOKING HOT" escort should remain just that ... a fantasy.

 

Once you have understood that you can have a real life encounter.

[jjkrkwood]

Excellent response, Rhinestone Cowboy.

 

Sometimes, I think that a fantasy about a "SMOKING HOT" escort should remain just that ... a fantasy.

 

Once you have understood that you can have a real life encounter.[/color]

 

All True Steven, but I think the OP's REAL experiences are "pale" in comparison to his fantasy ones, and thats the crux of his problem. Like they say, sometimes the "Chase" is more exciting than the "catch"....

[Okliehomo]

Seems to me....

 

That you are over thinking this just a bit.

 

I have never done a hourly. Only overnights, and I have never asked to "meet someone beforehand" to verify that he looks like his pics. And I am taking more of a financial risk... and I have rarely been disappointed. If an escort posts a face pic (!!!!!!) and some hot bodys shots (hard dick, ass, ass, ass...) in his ad and then you look up his reviews and everybody agrees that he "looks just like his pics..." or as per usual, "better than his pics."... and the experience they describe matches what you are looking for... that should be enough information to make a $250 - $300 decision.

 

There are many, many guys in NYC with reviews on this site that are in no way a risk. Just be very clear what you want and they will usually tell you if that works for them or not. But you have to also remember that these same guys are contacted alot by alot of different men... that waste a lot their time asking things that are clearly stated in their ads... asking for pics that are in their ads... and by guys that just want to talk and have no intention of really hiring them. Just as there are flakey escorts out there, there are flakey clients as well....

 

Not saying you are one. You seem just new and gun shy. But you have to remember as well, that if an escort "smells something fishy" to quote you or gets the sense that you are disingenuine, then he has the right to make the same business decision that you do.

 

Good luck and I hope you have some fun doing this.... or why bother?

 

Okie

 

Oh... and it's wuss... for the record.

[crok]

That you are over thinking this just a bit.

 

I have never done a hourly. Only overnights, and I have never asked to "meet someone beforehand" to verify that he looks like his pics. And I am taking more of a financial risk... and I have rarely been disappointed. If an escort posts a face pic (!!!!!!) and some hot bodys shots (hard dick, ass, ass, ass...) in his ad and then you look up his reviews and everybody agrees that he "looks just like his pics..." or as per usual, "better than his pics."... and the experience they describe matches what you are looking for... that should be enough information to make a $250 - $300 decision.

 

There are many, many guys in NYC with reviews on this site that are in no way a risk. Just be very clear what you want and they will usually tell you if that works for them or not. But you have to also remember that these same guys are contacted alot by alot of different men... that waste a lot their time asking things that are clearly stated in their ads... asking for pics that are in their ads... and by guys that just want to talk and have no intention of really hiring them. Just as there are flakey escorts out there, there are flakey clients as well....

 

Not saying you are one. You seem just new and gun shy. But you have to remember as well, that if an escort "smells something fishy" to quote you or gets the sense that you are disingenuine, then he has the right to make the same business decision that you do.

 

Good luck and I hope you have some fun doing this.... or why bother?

 

Okie

 

Oh... and it's wuss... for the record.

 

 

 

.....and it's Back IN the Saddle.

[Scorpio]

.....and it's Back IN the Saddle.

 

Technically, I don't think he actually made in or on the saddle. He took it out the Tack Room but never quite saddled the horse.

[crok]

Technically, I don't think he actually made in or on the saddle. He took it out the Tack Room but never quite saddled the horse.

 

I think he just looked at it and decided it wouldn't work.

[jjkrkwood]

Lets just talk about expense for a second. All this talk here about multi-hour sessions or overnites, well it seems to me if you can consistently spend that kind of money, and the escort or experience is a fake or a dud or wahtever, you can chalk it off to a "bad business deal". Obviously the loss of funds is not an issue for you in the way its an issue for the guy that saved up his lunch money for months to pay for a session. Its a whole different experience. Whetehr in the saddle, on the saddle, under the saddle, it makes no difference if a deal gone sour is the outcome, and the expectation should be that in hiring escorts, getting scammed is always a "possibility". You must be mentally and financially prepared to take the hit and move on. And if you dont like being a loser, than dont play the game