Non-Performing Discount?

[wayout]

Yesterday there was an "unsatisfactory" review of Chris LV that raised a question in my mind. More than likely it has been discussed before but I could not find a thread based on my search criteria. Anyway, taken at face value what the reviewer states happened (that Chris could not get hard and perform his duties he was hired for), how many of you escorts would offer a discount or some other type of compensation (like a reduced rate for another meeting)? Or is it more like there are no guarantees for performance and no discount is warranted? As far as clients, what would your expectations be with regard to an escort not performing to what was agreed to beforehand?

 

I was reluctant to mention specifically Chris LV here as I recognize his status on this forum however I decided to use it as an example. I do not intend for it to be a discussion focused on Chris specifically. Although I have not met him I do believe he is a great person and everyone can have an off day/night. My focus is more on what would the be different approaches escorts would take to mitigate the disappointment a client would feel for not getting the services expected (assuming reasonable)?

[gcursor]

Get the SUPER-DUPER Extended Orgasm Warranty

 

There are no written guarantees in our world you see

As for me, the one thing that I ask of the person I'm with is that they enjoy themselves..only that and nothing more

gc

 

Yesterday there was an "unsatisfactory" review of Chris LV that raised a question in my mind. More than likely it has been discussed before but I could not find a thread based on my search criteria. Anyway, taken at face value what the reviewer states happened (that Chris could not get hard and perform his duties he was hired for), how many of you escorts would offer a discount or some other type of compensation (like a reduced rate for another meeting)? Or is it more like there are no guarantees for performance and no discount is warranted? As far as clients, what would your expectations be with regard to an escort not performing to what was agreed to beforehand?

 

I was reluctant to mention specifically Chris LV here as I recognize his status on this forum however I decided to use it as an example. I do not intend for it to be a discussion focused on Chris specifically. Although I have not met him I do believe he is a great person and everyone can have an off day/night. My focus is more on what would the be different approaches escorts would take to mitigate the disappointment a client would feel for not getting the services expected (assuming reasonable)?

[jgoo]

While I agree that there are truly no guarantees, I do believe it would say a lot about an escort that would offer a discount if they could not deliver what was understood to be the service hired for. I think that would define the escort as being a true professional of the highest degree.

[bcohen7719]

This is an ingenious question, but as a client I'd have two reservations:

a) the client may have something to with non-performance. Almost every escort on this forum seems to be incredibly flexible and good-hearted, but suppose a client is unbearably disdainful or disrespect or (God forbid) sarcastic. There may be boundaries that could be crossed; b) suggesting a performance-based discount may result in performance anxiety on the part of some escorts. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

 

"Gcursor" seems to have expressed the most down-to-earth attitude of just trying to have a good time. I'd go with that anytime.

 

Best wishes,

 

BC

[seeker630]

There are no written guarantees in our world you see

As for me, the one thing that I ask of the person I'm with is that they enjoy themselves..only that and nothing more

gc

 

And what if an orgasm is critical to that person's enjoyment?

 

There are obviously times when an escort doesn't fulfill the agreed-upon requirements. (I recognize that the fault is not always with the escort.)

 

I agree with jgoo that a true professional would offer some compensation for a sub-par or incomplete performance IF the fault was not the client's.

 

I actually have a real example of that (hopefully). A year or so ago I hired Bryan through Maximum for a threesome with another of their guys, with the understanding that Bryan would bottom for the other guy. There were some last-minute health issues and Bryan was unable to bottom but he worked to contribute to the encounter in other ways AND he & Maximum offered me a free session to make up for it. (I haven't been able to take advantage of that offer yet but hopefully I'll make it back to NYC this summer.)

[cany10011]

The time paid is for the escort's time only. As for the acts promised, sometimes it boils down to chemistry and if it isn't there, it isn't there. Granted a professional escort should put aside those feelings that may hinder his performance, but we're all human. And, very few guys I see are true professional escorts; many of them are students or in between things, and do not rely on escorting as primary income. So I don't expect them to be "professional" and refund the fee or offer a discount (that might be nice though).

 

In such cases, I pay the discussed amount and consider it as tuition fee.

 

However, if the escort shows up and he's not what he promised to look like, I immediately say sorry, I'm not into this and offer him 50$ to go away.

 

 

 

 

 

And what if an orgasm is critical to that person's enjoyment?

 

There are obviously times when an escort doesn't fulfill the agreed-upon requirements. (I recognize that the fault is not always with the escort.)

 

I agree with jgoo that a true professional would offer some compensation for a sub-par or incomplete performance IF the fault was not the client's.

 

I actually have a real example of that (hopefully). A year or so ago I hired Bryan through Maximum for a threesome with another of their guys, with the understanding that Bryan would bottom for the other guy. There were some last-minute health issues and Bryan was unable to bottom but he worked to contribute to the encounter in other ways AND he & Maximum offered me a free session to make up for it. (I haven't been able to take advantage of that offer yet but hopefully I'll make it back to NYC this summer.)

[gcursor]

Grand Total

 

This was so funny when I read "performance-based". I mean think about this. it could revolutionize things.

 

can you imagine that happening? conversation would be "Okay...you came 7 times and I came 3 times..10 total..... and 3 of them we hit the ceiling....those will have a bonus attached to them in addition to the amount over and above the 3 minimum for the night comes to...."

 

 

This is an ingenious question, but as a client I'd have two reservations:

a) the client may have something to with non-performance. Almost every escort on this forum seems to be incredibly flexible and good-hearted, but suppose a client is unbearably disdainful or disrespect or (God forbid) sarcastic. There may be boundaries that could be crossed; b) suggesting a performance-based discount may result in performance anxiety on the part of some escorts. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

 

"Gcursor" seems to have expressed the most down-to-earth attitude of just trying to have a good time. I'd go with that anytime.

 

Best wishes,

 

BC

[instudiocity]

This was so funny when I read "performance-based". I mean think about this. it could revolutionize things.

 

can you imagine that happening? conversation would be "Okay...you came 7 times and I came 3 times..10 total..... and 3 of them we hit the ceiling....those will have a bonus attached to them in addition to the amount over and above the 3 minimum for the night comes to...."

Sorta like:

Fuck my brains out: Fee x 2 + tip

OK Sex: Fee + tip

No Boner, No Homer: 50% of Fee

 

Is that what you're saying?

[seeker630]

The time paid is for the escort's time only. As for the acts promised, sometimes it boils down to chemistry and if it isn't there, it isn't there. Granted a professional escort should put aside those feelings that may hinder his performance, but we're all human. And, very few guys I see are true professional escorts; many of them are students or in between things, and do not rely on escorting as primary income. So I don't expect them to be "professional" and refund the fee or offer a discount (that might be nice though).

 

In such cases, I pay the discussed amount and consider it as tuition fee.

 

However, if the escort shows up and he's not what he promised to look like, I immediately say sorry, I'm not into this and offer him 50$ to go away.

 

Cany,

Like you, I rarely hire 'professionals', and I don't really expect discounts regardless of performance. But when I hire, I always state my expectations clearly and get assurances from the escort that those things are likely to happen. (If not, I don't hire.) I generally tip, unless the experience is unsatisfying in some regard; I have never paid less than what was agreed, even when the encounter WAS unsatisfying. But I do think that a professional (especially one concenred with reputation and repeat-clients) should consider some recompense for an incompete or sub-par performance unless it is the client's fault

[Steven_Draker]

If in some degree I'm not able to perform or deliver what was agreed upon I offer to make it up to the client with a second session at a reduced rate or I discuss some other kind of compensation that's agreeable for both parties. I don't think it's nice to let someone walk disappointed out of the door. Escorts are human too, and everyone can have a bad day. The way we deal with our mistakes and problems is what makes a difference.

[Guest GQ Pro]

I've had the same problem as Chris more than once with a few clients. The circumstances in which it happens is usually pretty much the same. The client thinks that just because they are hiring me that if they want to get topped, there shouldn't be any problem. They tend to view escorts as sort of like these fuck machines where we just get a hardon at the drop of the hat. They forget that we are still human and nature has to still play a role in getting a good erection. Instead of keeping this in mind, they quickly undress, roll over, stick their ass in the air, and expect to just get fucked right away. They have no interest in foreplay, turning down the lights, turning off the TV, and perhaps lighting some candles. When I get these type of clients and can't get an erection, I try my best to make up for it by doing other things. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I really don't see the point of offering a discount for a future call. Why would they want to call you again? You weren't able to fuck them the first time. If the session has been a big flop overall, I will take money off right then and there. I also wrote about this happening to me in my blog

"Secret Escapades of a Gay Gigolo" http://gqpro.tumblr.com/

[gcursor]

very funny

 

ah yes...very funny indeed instudiocity

gc

 

Sorta like:

Fuck my brains out: Fee x 2 + tip

OK Sex: Fee + tip

No Boner, No Homer: 50% of Fee

 

Is that what you're saying?

[instudiocity]

Escorts are human too, and everyone can have a bad day. The way we deal with our mistakes and problems is what makes a difference.

The single most importance between Professionals and Con-Artists, how we deal with our mistakes and problems.

 

Well Said SD!

[rossthebosssf]

I have a couple regular top guys who I see and this issue comes up from time to time. I feel as long as I get off and they fuck me silly the next time I'm fine. We're all human.

[Guy Fawkes]

We assume all rates are for time only!

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[uwsman2]

I once met for the first time with a traveling escort -- who I think may have even been making his first escort visit to NY. Although he was nice and we clicked, he couldn't really get hard and our pre-appointment conversation specified I was looking for a top. He contacted me after the session by email and said next time he came to NY he wanted to give me a free session. I did connect with him on a later trip, insisted on paying him, and he performed like the true stud he is. Since then we've seen each other once or twice a year on his NY visits, and its been several years now... I thought he behaved like a true professional.

[+ Cash4Trash]

My all time favorite Mick in NYC refused his fee once when he felt he hadn't delivered. Mick on a bad day (and he been hard and fucked me) is better than most guys I've seen. There's not a classier guy in the business.

[Fishman]

There is nothing more embarrassing than wanting to do something...and not being able to get it up to do it.

 

I have had clients wanting to top me--and they can't. I have had clients wanting me to top them once or twice--and for one reason or another, I can't stay hard enough to make it work.

In either case I just try to make the best of it, laugh it off, and get back to focusing on having a good time. Making a big deal out of it only makes the struggling individual that much more self conscious about it.

 

I never 100% guarantee that topping is going to work, but I do my best. I rarely have an issue, but there are those times (particularly on first encounters) where it can sneak up on me.

[+ Shoreboy]

Daddy Sez: Please don't post reviews in the Message Center.

 

There have been times when an escort I hired could not get or stay hard and we still had a great time. Both times this has happened to me they came back the following night and gave me an "on the house" experience and would only take their fee the second night, not the first.

 

Both were class acts.

 

But, as a client who saves his money in order to hire while I am traveling, I can fully understand why some people would be upset if their escort could not get hard nor stay hard.

 

I realize that all escorts are human but this is their chosen profession, either full-time or part time, and they should be able to at least get hard and stay hard.