To Escorts: Link to site for reviewing/warning about bad clients

[Michael Vincenzo]

Hey guys! I got stiffed for a two hour appointment on my recent visit to NYC and wanted to warn others about this "client". I know that Men4RentNow has a place for doing that, but it doesn't allow for the details. There is a site where you can submit detailed information and I believe it's called "Don't Fuck With Us". Anyone have the link to that site?

 

In case anyone is curious, I'll tell you about my experience:

 

I had a client book me, a week in advance, for a two hour appointment during my visit to NYC. Once he made the appointment, he texted me every single day. Some of his texts were, "I am sooooo looking forward to meeting you" and "What are you doing right now" and "What will you be wearing when you answer the door", to name a few. He texted me every day until our appointment. I politely told him that I did not like to receive text messages, yet he continued to text me. I came very close to telling him that I wanted to cancel because he wasn't respecting my wishes. I had a sense that he wasn't all there, but it wasn't an overwhelming red flag.

 

Anyhow, he shows up on time for our appointment after having taken a train from 2 hours away, according to him. He was a little "off", but nothing that alarmed me. We spent two hours together and after he was dressed he told me that he lost his wallet. He said he was going to run to the TGI Fridays, on the same block as my hotel, where he had dinner just before our appointment. I told him to call there while he was still in my hotel room. They had found two wallets, according to him, but he would have to come in to identify himself.

 

He called me shortly thereafter and told me that they did not find his wallet. I was pretty angry, but kept my cool and asked him how we were going to resolve the situation. He emphatically promised that he would Western Union me the money the first thing in the morning and said he would call when that was done. I had to provide my real name to him in order for him to do this.

 

In the morning, no message from him. I called him and woke him up. He said he was going to get up, eat breakfast, and then wire me the money. I stressed to him that I was concerned about his honesty, but he assured me that all was going to be resolved. While I was working out about 2 hours later, he texted me and stated that he decided he would take the train back to the city and hand me the money in person so that I would know he is an honest person. Because I was going to have a client at the time he said he was going to arrive, I asked him to leave an envelope at the front desk.

 

Long story short, it never happened. I left him a very nasty message and his lame and pathetic response was that he was going to make up for it.

 

I have been stiffed on a one hour appointment before, but never on a two hour appointment. I've received text messages from him daily saying, "I'm sorry". He obviously planned the whole thing and I would like other escorts to be warned about this guy. It's one thing to stiff an escort, but to continue engaging me with a twisted lie is, well, psychotic.

 

If anyone has any info on that site, please let me know via email.

[josephga]

http://blacklistednow.blogspot.com/

 

here's the link. Iv read that allot of female escorts req the money to be placed in a envelope and left in a visible location at the start of a session. i see no reason a male escort couldn't req the same thing.

[+ bigjoey]

Unfortunately, all types of business get people who rip off the business. Where I work, we have had plenty of bad checks, fraud with credit cards, etc. It is just a cost of doing business. Having repeat customers is a great advantage as you know them and if they are "good" for payment.

 

Sorry you had the bad experience.

[JT Brooklyn]

http://blacklistednow.blogspot.com/

 

here's the link. Iv read that allot of female escorts req the money to be placed in a envelope and left in a visible location at the start of a session. i see no reason a male escort couldn't req the same thing.

 

Quite a few "Working Guys" do want to at least SEE THE $$ before any Fun begins ESPECIALLY with a New Client! IF the Client has the $$ shouldn't be a problem!

[East2West]

Being stood up is always a possibility whether you are a client or an escort. It's good that that there is a forum for both. It's infuriating to set aside time and resources only to have plans not happen because someone chose not to follow through. A few years back, I planned to meet up with an escort when visiting some family in a city where this person lived. All plans confirmed a week or so ahead of time and followed up via voice mail and txt the day of meeting. I had used points to reserve a hotel room for the night and he was a total no show. No phone call, no text, no nothing. A total waste of time. I wish I had been active with this board at the time.

 

MV, you could try one more email to him that includes a link to that website. With that looming, it might motivate him to settle up. I wish I had done the same using a link to this website.

[justaguy]

Absolutely get the word out. Jerks like this you don't need as an escort and I don't need as a client.

[leigh.bess.toad]

Absolutely get the word out. Jerks like this you don't need as an escort and I don't need as a client.

 

I'm with JAG -- full description of this jackass to everyone you can think of as well as this website. It makes clients look bad and I don't want him around muddying up MY waters. Look, I've only recently gotten back into the hiring game again after a considderable absence and I'm still sewing my wild oats as it were (and btw MV, send me a note the next time you are in DC because I missed you the last time and you are definitely on my list) so I'm a new client to most of these guys. Fortunately, I hope, I've built up enough of a rep here on the forums that it makes it a bit easier to break the ice for escorts I meet through here but as we all know, more and more escorts are not contributing here, unfortunately. Maybe they lurk, I don't know but I sure as hell don't want thiefs, and that is exactly what he is, ruining the trust that an escort should have with a new client. Implicit in this relatinship is the most initimate of trust issues and if that isn't there it can make it harder. I think what you should do is take your cell phone and take his picture -- after he informs you he doesn't have his money. And then post his picture on that website as well. Guys like that need to have the Lorena Bobbitt treatment.

 

Cut him off at the knees (or just a bit higher on the anatomy)

[+ overeasy]

Michael -- So sorry this happened to you. I think we have all had similar experiences, on either side of the hiring experience, and the anger from such an occassion can taint your views and actions for some time to follow. I hope that you can take some solice in the fact that most of us who hire are not in the same disgraceful league as this lost soul....Best wishes for a great holiday season.

[Guest countryboywny]

http://blacklistednow.blogspot.com/

 

here's the link. Iv read that allot of female escorts req the money to be placed in a envelope and left in a visible location at the start of a session. i see no reason a male escort couldn't req the same thing.

 

I wish there were a "good" list for us guys who hire, keep our commitments, treat our escorts well etc. It would be great to refer an escort that doesn't know you to such a list. That being said, I guess the discretion thing would make it impossible.

[josephga]

I wish there were a "good" list for us guys who hire, keep our commitments, treat our escorts well etc. It would be great to refer an escort that doesn't know you to such a list. That being said, I guess the discretion thing would make it impossible.

 

I agree it would be nice if a escort or masseur could place reviews not just neg but positive as well. iv noticed the male side of escorting works much more different than the female side. I had a friend once she escorted to provide a better life for herself and child it wasn't unusual for them to screen the clients asking for references from other girls or where you work at and id clients. most male escorts and masseurs have one screening process that being no blocked calls or private numbers and finalizing appointments by phone

[MiamiLooker]

I had to provide my real name to him in order for him to do this.

 

Are you concerned that he has your personal info?

[RockHard]

All it takes is one bad apple.

 

It is a shame that all it takes is one pathetic asshole to spoil the experience for the rest of us. Once a customer fucks a service provider in a non-pleasurable manner (or vice versa), a wall of distrust rises that can set the stage for every encounter that follows such an experience.

 

Since so many customers object to "paying upfront" because escorts can be just as flaky as some customers, I recommend you use this minor disclosure in your communication with new clients: "All first-time customers are required to pay for service before service is provided." You don't need to put these words in your ad but you'll need to include them in your first round of communication with a first-time appointment.

 

A reasonable man will conclude that trust is something one builds in a business relationship that includes intimacy. When I visit my massage therapist at my gym, I'm required to pay for the service before the service begins (although they are not strict about this once you become a regular customer). If you find yourself negotiating with an unreasonable man, I would recommend moving on to the next customer.

[Decatur Guy]

I always wondered why escorts acted a little funny when I paid first, but I never thought much about it. I didn't know it wasn't the norm until now.

[RockHard]

A holiday gift to all escorts who care about professional behavior.

 

I'm not a fan of "trashing customer" sites and I caution all escorts against going that route. An educated professional NEVER shows contempt for the customer, even when the customer is an idiot or the customer is obviously wrong.

 

I realize a lot of escorts are not educated in business. If they were, they could be much more successful. And I truly understand the desire to exact revenge and/or inform/warn other escorts of a lunatic customer. If you can't warn other escorts privately, I would say let the experience go, take my advice in my post above, and move forward.

 

Putting contempt for the customer on public display is not the behavior of a gentleman. A true professional is always a gentleman (especially in public). No matter how justified, contemptuous or revengeful behavior (let's not forget perception) will never be regarded as professional.

 

If you don't wish to encounter lunatic customers, then I suggest never going into a service business.

[Guest FTLdude]

Hey guys! I got stiffed for a two hour appointment on my recent visit to NYC and wanted to warn others about this "client". ... Because I was going to have a client at the time he said he was going to arrive, I asked him to leave an envelope at the front desk.

 

Long story short, it never happened. I left him a very nasty message and his lame and pathetic response was that he was going to make up for it.

 

I thought you were going to say that the dude tried to get you to accept less than the agreed amount after the appointment was over, not that he ripped your off for the whole thing! What a loser...especially after you trusted him enough to let him leave owing you the money. He'll try to do it again, but next time he might get his ass beat down real bad, and the beating would be well deserved.

 

I have been stiffed on a one hour appointment before...

 

What do you guys do to avoid losing money and wasting your time with bad customers?

[Guest verymarried]

from a client perspective, i was not able to get a review published on this site when the escort did not show up. it was one of the very well reviewed escorts on this site and was very surprising to find even those guys do you wrong when something better comes along.

[Steven_Draker]

from a client perspective, i was not able to get a review published on this site when the escort did not show up. it was one of the very well reviewed escorts on this site and was very surprising to find even those guys do you wrong when something better comes along.

 

VM, it's a long-standing policy of Daddy's not to publish any no-show reviews independently of "very well reviewed escort" or not ... no offense

 

From the FAQ:

"Do you take "No-Show" reviews?

In general we look at these on a case-by-case basis. In general we "Hold" these type of reviews because if is very difficult to verify this type of situation."

[Michael Vincenzo]

I'm not a fan of "trashing customer" sites and I caution all escorts against going that route. An educated professional NEVER shows contempt for the customer, even when the customer is an idiot or the customer is obviously wrong.

 

I realize a lot of escorts are not educated in business. If they were, they could be much more successful. And I truly understand the desire to exact revenge and/or inform/warn other escorts of a lunatic customer. If you can't warn other escorts privately, I would say let the experience go, take my advice in my post above, and move forward.

 

Putting contempt for the customer on public display is not the behavior of a gentleman. A true professional is always a gentleman (especially in public). No matter how justified, contemptuous or revengeful behavior (let's not forget perception) will never be regarded as professional.

 

If you don't wish to encounter lunatic customers, then I suggest never going into a service business.

 

I will definitely post information about this person and my experience online. I am not doing this out of contempt, and will not word it in a way that is trashing the person, but it is important for escorts to have a database of individuals who do these kind of things. The difference between this business and any other business is that it is very personal in nature and letting people like that get close to you can be very dangerous. I do not allow people like that into my life either through a business arrangement or personally and the experience left me feeling very violated. I vented a bit with a friend, am making a point not to let this happen to others, and moving on.

 

On the other hand, this particular individual has not moved on. He has texted me daily since then apologizing, requesting information to wire me the money in Orlando, and even wishing me a Merry Christmas. I have completely ignored all of his voice mail messages and texts because I would rather not engage someone who considers it acceptable to be purposely deceptive. I have a theory about this type of engagement from a psychological perspective.

 

After 11 years of relatively few bad incidences in this industry, I firmly believe that most people do not have bad intentions. Affirmatively, people are good by nature.

[happyguy2]

Michael, I am truly sorry this happened to such a nice man as you are. I hope you get the word out in every way possible. As overeasy so wisely pointed out, most of us, clients and escorts, have been stiffed a few times. On a few occasions, when I was just beginning, two or three took a couple of hundred bucks and used creative excuses to leave me. One said he forgot the condoms, another said he forgot his wallet (although I was paying....) and he had to retrieve it and he would be right back. Nonetheless, reading your story really does almost justify asking for money up front - but then my situations can happen. Isn't the best advice what has appeared on this board so often: the money should be put in a visible place for the escort to see as he arrives?

[seeker630]

Michael, I am truly sorry this happened to such a nice man as you are. I hope you get the word out in every way possible. As overeasy so wisely pointed out, most of us, clients and escorts, have been stiffed a few times. On a few occasions, when I was just beginning, two or three took a couple of hundred bucks and used creative excuses to leave me. One said he forgot the condoms, another said he forgot his wallet (although I was paying....) and he had to retrieve it and he would be right back. Nonetheless, reading your story really does almost justify asking for money up front - but then my situations can happen. Isn't the best advice what has appeared on this board so often: the money should be put in a visible place for the escort to see as he arrives?

I generally have the money laying out where the escort spots it when he arrives and no one has ever taken it before the session was over & I handed iot to them - with one exception.

 

I invited a couple to my place once and the money was on a tabletop on the living room. After we chatted a bit & moved to the be and were undressed, one of them said he'd left his lube & the car and needed to go get it. He put his pants and shirt & left the room. I had a bad feeling about that, but the other guy was keeping me 'occupied'.

A couple of minutes, the guy I was engaged with suddenly jumped up, grabbed his clothes and ran naked out of my apartment. Needless to say, whne I re-entered the living room, the cash was gone.

Still...that's the only time I was ever truly ripped off.

[twinkboylover28]

Gee, and I thought I was being ripped off when someone at the casino claimed he gambled all his money away and needed to "borrow" $5 from me in order to cross the border. I didnt give it to him.

 

However, I once hired a twink who wasn't an escort. We never agreed on a set price before our meeting, but he knew he would be paid. He drove an hour each way to meet me at a motel near my house.

 

He couldnt stay hard, and it was awkward, so i said neevrmind lets just cuddle and foreplay. I think i was fair to pay him 140 since he he drove 1 hour each way t osee me and spent 2 hours with me "cuddling", but he could not take me "around the world" so it wasnt much of an experience.

 

I hope he didnt think that was cheap.

 

I've only had an escort ask to "see the money" one time, and it totally took the vibe away. It was a total turn off for me; howver ,as soon as he saw my stack of 20's he was eager to please.

[gp0560]

For the client, another factor is where you find the escort. I don't hire much anymore, but when I used to want a BFE, I would hire ONLY from Daddy's. The escort and I counted the money together at the very beginning of the session so that my feelings of BFE would not be interrupted at the end. I have NEVER had any problems with any well-reviewed escort from Daddy's

[geoffk]

I do the same, leave the cash out in view of my date. Once I made a date with a guy at a strip club and on the way to his place the next day i couldnt get cash from my ATm & CC for various reasons. I told him this when i got there and gave him what i had available , about 50% of what he wanted. He was good enought to trust me til the next day for the balance. I think he was very surprised i showed up to give it to him.

[Steven_Draker]

I'm not a fan of "trashing customer" sites and I caution all escorts against going that route. An educated professional NEVER shows contempt for the customer, even when the customer is an idiot or the customer is obviously wrong.

 

I realize a lot of escorts are not educated in business. If they were, they could be much more successful. And I truly understand the desire to exact revenge and/or inform/warn other escorts of a lunatic customer. If you can't warn other escorts privately, I would say let the experience go, take my advice in my post above, and move forward.

 

Putting contempt for the customer on public display is not the behavior of a gentleman. A true professional is always a gentleman (especially in public). No matter how justified, contemptuous or revengeful behavior (let's not forget perception) will never be regarded as professional.

 

If you don't wish to encounter lunatic customers, then I suggest never going into a service business.

 

Thank you for the Christmas gift, Rock Hard. I'm with you here.

 

I used to be bothered a lot when someone tried to stiff me. It happened on a few occasion, but I noticed that each time I was focusing on something negative and I wasn't in my best shape and condition for those around me and I couldn't give the best of myself to my clients. Later, I learned to screen better my prospective clients and develop a 'sixth sense' when reading them in our initial conversation and when meeting them in person. And no, I never ask for the money upfront nor seeing it or even less counting it. I always thought that Karma would take care of the bad ones.

[RockHard]

What goes around, comes around.

 

I will definitely post information about this person and my experience online.

If the information is legal and personal, I'm sorry to hear that. Such action will never motivate me to hire you, ever. If the information is anonymous or transient, then what possible good will it do? Usernames come and go, descriptions change and are rarely reliable, and pre-paid cell phones are super cheap and easy to buy.

 

Some customers who hire gay male escorts do not possess a healthy mind. Some could be classified as mentally deficient or mentally compromised. Shall we throw all mentally deficient/compromised customers in front of a moving bus so that you will never "feel very violated" again?

 

The difference between this business and any other business is that it is very personal in nature

 

Are you aware of how many customers stiff their doctors of payment?

 

the experience left me feeling very violated

 

Sounds a little histrionic to me. How much money did you lose? Are you homeless now? Are you that desperate for a couple hundred bucks? I can understand being angry that you let a manipulative customer manipulate you into surrendering your legal name. You only have yourself to blame for that violation.

 

I noticed that each time I was focusing on something negative

 

This is precisely my point: A negative focus and reaction will only engender negativity.