Tipping Practices from both sides -- a taboo subject???

[Epigonos]

Orbital sander is absolutely correct this topic does reappear, like clock-work, every year or two.

 

I NEVER hire for one hour. I ALWAYS hire a guy for lunch or dinner and a couple of hours of play time. I, of course, pay for our meal together. Other than the meal we share I NEVER tip.

 

During the early stage of contacting a new escort I always ask him if he is available for the above type arrangement and if so what his fee would be. If his fee is within the range I am willing to pay we proceed to set up a get together. If his fee is more than I am willing to pay I email him my regrets and apologize for wasting his time. I NEVER HAGGLE OF NEGOTIATE. If at that point the escorts emails me asking what I am willing to pay I DO NOT RESPOND.

 

The point I am making with the above explanation is that if I accept the fee the escort states I DO NOT feel the need to tip. He named his fee and I am paying it!

[SteveStacks]

Tipping any business owner should indeed be very optional IMHO, and it should ONLY be done when, and to the amount that, the tipper feels is appropriate and comfortable - never under pressure.

 

As far as tipping (or anything else) having to do with "quality of clients" - the "old" "disabled" or "overweight" are all welcome and often the hottest, most fun encounters....the only real turnoff for me is people who lack empathy or people with a serious sense of entitlement....

[Okliehomo]

Would you tip your plumber?

 

The prevailing thought, around here used to be, in what certainly were more hostile times, when this particular topic was dredged up, every couple of years, was... do you tip your doctor? your dentist? your CPA? your lawyer? (Now, maybe you do, if you are really sick, have really bad teeth, are really broke or really running from the law... who knows).... but the point is that you are hiring a professional to do a professional job.... like a plumber, so to speak... you know, unclog your pipe, one way or the other...

 

Now, let's say you happened to get a really, really good plumber.... and your pipe is just flowing now... would you feel the need to tip him??? No, you wouldn't.... you would pay his named price.... even if he was really, really nice to you when he was fixing said pipe and when he left, you felt like you had made a friend for life and knew for certain that the very next time, you had pipe problems, he was your man...

 

And for agency guys, I do have a tip... don't work for an agency ... run your own business, cut out the middle man and keep all the $$$$ ... (this is much like the tip I have for people that work at Sonic and expect a tip... get a better job... (just kidding, I do tip at Sonic.... and to be fair, have never hired an agency guy)...)... It's just not up to me to compensate a guy that has made a choice to hire an agent.... because, for whatever reason, he chooses not to manage is own affairs.

 

I have been known to give a gift or two..... and the special ones always get a shirt... (some of the even not so special ones got that... ) and I way over tip at restaurants... probably just trying to divert attention from that "Wonder where that old man at the table met his three hot and hunky and oh so young and not from around these parts dinner companions?... and wonder why he always has to pay for everyone??" look in the waiter's eye... but, believe me, boys, the waiters are all always eager to see me coming... much like my dinner companions, usually.

 

And if I seemed in the least bit entitled in this post or less than empathetic... I guess, I will take that hard spanking from Mr Stacks... but only if Juan is there, watching and.... um..... squatting.... muffling.. smothering me with his very famous back alley.

 

Okie

[Guest Spanky]

Now, let's say you happened to get a really, really good plumber.... and your pipe is just flowing now... would you feel the need to tip him??? No, you wouldn't.... you would pay his named price.... even if he was really, really nice to you when he was fixing said pipe and when he left, you felt like you had made a friend for life and knew for certain that the very next time, you had pipe problems, he was your man...

 

Okie

 

I've never tipped a plumber, but I have given one a couple of blow jobs. Does that count?

[leigh.bess.toad]

And if I seemed in the least bit entitled in this post or less than empathetic... I guess, I will take that hard spanking from Mr Stacks... but only if Juan is there, watching and.... um..... squatting.... muffling.. smothering me with his very famous back alley.

 

Okie

 

I hadn't thought about it like that. But as far as the paddling, since I won't be there, would you mind making a video or at least taking pictures.so the rest of us can enjoy it, even if only vicariously???

 

Lee

[NYTomcat]

Juan, I just love you more and more with every post!

 

I second o.s. Juan. You may be a gorgeous hunk of man. But you are more importantly a beautiful person. We may disagree on Some minor points here and there, but I never question your amazing sincerity.

[leigh.bess.toad]

I've never tipped a plumber, but I have given one a couple of blow jobs. Does that count?

 

Hell of a pipe cleaner, Spanky. Gives a whole new twist on Roto-Rooter.

 

Lee

[NYTomcat]

I think we overthink tipping. You want to thank a Guy for good service hire them again. You appreciate them going beyond the call. Tip. If you know what they would like. Buy a gift. If not cash works. Follow your heart and you wont make a mistake. But tip based on how they perform with you not on who you are. And I firmly believe the best tip is appreciating their efforts whether thats with a note telling them or if you Can afford it a monetary tip or gift. It the thought of saying you went beyond the norm and I want to acknowledge That In some way.

[Guest Merlin]

Actually, I was serious, but I am pleased that the escorts seem to disagree with me. In general, I think clients who need some service,, out of the ordinary, should consider tipping. I would have thought that being grossly fat etc would fall outside the ordinary. But I guess I have been overruled. I am pleased to hear it.

[NYTomcat]

Actually, I was serious, but I am pleased that the escorts seem to disagree with me. In general, I think clients who need some service,, out of the ordinary, should consider tipping. I would have thought that being grossly fat etc would fall outside the ordinary. But I guess I have been overruled. I am pleased to hear it.

I was glad to hear it too. Merlin I can't believe it we agree on something. Its a good day.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

If we Were Perfect Why Would we . . .

 

Those who work for agencies deserve a tip. Clients who are grossly fat, disabled, very old, should also tip.

 

Merlin has been around the board for 800+years - So I hope his tounge is planted firmly in his cheek.

 

If not who decides what is the line between acceptable and "grossly fat" and "old vs. VERY old"

 

and what qualifies as a disabiltiy?

 

 

The magic of escorts experiences is that the good/great ones see past any/all of those imperfections and find

 

the inherit beauty that manifests itself in one aspect or another of all of us and appreciate those of us less than

 

perfect (i.e. 99/9% of the population) for our humor/our eyes/our smile/our laugh/our kinkiness/etc/

 

They find the inherent unique quality in those of us less than perfect - upon which they can build and enjoy

 

and make our time together special.

 

Special Thanks to Juan for his comments.

 

And that is what separates the Real Stars from the Wanna Bees

[leigh.bess.toad]

Dear wetnwildbear --

 

Beuatifully written and expressed. Thank you!

 

Lee

[+ purplekow]

Now if you are giving the plumber a blow job, than it is plain that he has tipped you, tip, shaft and then the whole kit and kaboodle.

[orbital sander]

So I hope his tounge is planted firmly in his cheek.

 

 

More often his foot in his mouth...

[JT Brooklyn]

Tippping of the Hat!

 

I've been wondering about how people handle the "delicate problem" of tipping the escorts. From some of the escorts websites I've seen, it appears that some of them say about half of their clients tip, even though it is not expected. So I was wondering about that.

 

For the guys who are clients -- do you routinely tip your escort (assuming it wasn't an awful experience), only regulars you hire, only on special occaisions? If so, do you tip a percentage of the agreed upon fee or a "reasonable" dollar amount, depending on the length of the engagement? If you do tip an escort, do you perceive any difference in how you are viewed or treated in future encounters?

 

For the escorts, does that 40-50% of clients number ring true to your client base? Do your regulars tip more often and better than "one-timers"? Are the tips you receive more often a percentage of the agreed upon fee or a fixed dollar amount. Does a client that tips affect your view of the that client in future encounters?

 

Besides the educational benefit of the responses for everyone, it would help me. I believe I may have the unfortunate habit of overtipping everywhere. It takes an enormous effort for a waiter to get under 20%. I tip 20%+ even on carryout and delivery pizza. I overtip bellmen and housekeeping. I overtip the carhop. I'm not overly generous -- it's just I work hard for what I make and appreciate the work that others do. I try to treat everyone how I want to be treated. So I'd love to hear how others handle this "delicate" situation.

 

Comments/opinions/discussions/disagreements??? Thanks to all.

 

Lee

 

Tipping Discussions go back to the Old HOOBOY Days ..

 

Of course "way back when" the Economy wasn't what it is Today!

 

A Delicate PROBLEM? No Problem I say... At $250 an Hour and Up for an illegal service requiring NO Diploma The Tip is INCLUDED..except for those who feel they are of the Deep Pocket Persuasion.

 

You guys know who you are! LOL

[Epigonos]

Sorry about this guys I obviously don't know how to include quotes for other posts!

[Rod Hagen]

We set our own prices, so if we want more money we should charge more. Never disappointed when there's no tip. Their asshole is where the tip belongs in the first place.

 

After 10 years of escorting and six of massage, I've found that nearly all escort clients do tip and nearly all massage clients do not. I do not know whether that says something about the quality of my delivery one over the other or if that's generally just true.

 

Extra money makes me happy, of course. But I do not make a note of who tips and who doesn't.

[leigh.bess.toad]

Before I really get going on this post I would like to apologize to leigh.bess.toad if, in presenting it, I inadvertently hijack his thread.

 

Epigonos -- No need to apologize -- you can hijack anytme you would like. I too was struck by wetnwildbear's response -- and yours as well. His and your response certainly fits perfectly with my idea of the great escort. That's one reason why I took great umbrage (I actually had to almost control my anger) to an earlier thread from the young escort who referred to himself and, by extension, everyone else in the profession as "hookers". As a young man, I too may have only been looking at the physical act. However, as I get older I appreciate more and more the other parts of the relationship. Mind you, the sex is very important too. But the greats are, as you correctly point out, far more than hookers. In many ways, I don't look at the great ones even as sex workers, either. The sex worker part is almost like a friend with benefits (mind you, really great benefits). For those of us in a place where exploring our sexuality and our affection for men is difficult if not impossible, they provide a safe place for us the fulfill a missing part of our lives. Not only to fill needs you know about, but more importantly, to provide a chance to explore other sides of our personalities that we want to (or may not know we even want to), but have never had the ability or courage to explore.

 

To your list of psychologist, companions, listeners and playmates, I might add two other categories for the truly great ones: teacher and mentor. Precious few fall into this category but I think we can come up with a partial but by no means complete list just with some of the posters on Daddys' forums: Dave/SF, Romann, Juan in Vancouver, Steven Draker, Anton in Amsterdam all immediately jump to mind (this is a partial list only -- many other posters here also will meet the category). Jon Ramsey in Boston is another one. I've never had the privilege of meeting any of the 4 gentlemen you mention, but I know each of their reputations and would consider it a great privilege to get to spend some time with any one of them. The same goes with the partial list I've provided -- the reviews provided by others, their postings here, and the professionalism they carry themselves with on their websites portray a concern for their clients that make them special people as well as escorts. That's why the greeting on Romann's new website touched such a nerve in me. It's not just the sex, great as it may be. Employing anyone of these gentlemen simply for the sex worker part would be so short-sighted that the client is being massively shortchanged -- it would almost be criminal. It does take a special internal makeup (in some bizare way, almost a calling) to be "great". Fortunately, here and a few other places we get to learn from these gentlemen. Even if I don't get to meet any or all of them, just reading their writings, and in some ways living vicariously through their adventures, they certainly provide me a better glimpse into myself and for that I am eternally grateful to all of them and for that I say thank you.

 

Lee

[leigh.bess.toad]

Their asshole is where the tip belongs in the first place.

 

Thanks for the laugh, Rod

 

Lee

 

P.S. -- But only the tip?????

[Guest Spanky]

Their asshole is where the tip belongs in the first place.

 

Right on!

[AdamATL77]

We set our own prices, so if we want more money we should charge more. Never disappointed when there's no tip. Their asshole is where the tip belongs in the first place.

 

After 10 years of escorting and six of massage, I've found that nearly all escort clients do tip and nearly all massage clients do not. I do not know whether that says something about the quality of my delivery one over the other or if that's generally just true.

 

Extra money makes me happy, of course. But I do not make a note of who tips and who doesn't.

 

If you don't keep track of who tips and who doesn't, how can you say massage clients don't tip but escort clients do. just saying...

[josephga]

The majority of my massage clients tipped normally something around 5.00 to 20.00 on average. Regulars would tend to tip better than first timers or one timers and guys out of town who traveled allot would tend too tip very well. women were the worst tippers but from what i know they are in most businesses lol

of the male clients I would guess 85% tipped. Anything I wanted to add to the business I used the tip money for those things, like nice towels, a towel steamer, having my carpet steam cleaned twice a month stuff like that.

[Bart]

Orbital sander is absolutely correct this topic does reappear, like clock-work, every year or two.

 

I NEVER hire for one hour. I ALWAYS hire a guy for lunch or dinner and a couple of hours of play time. I, of course, pay for our meal together. Other than the meal we share I NEVER tip.

 

During the early stage of contacting a new escort I always ask him if he is available for the above type arrangement and if so what his fee would be. If his fee is within the range I am willing to pay we proceed to set up a get together. If his fee is more than I am willing to pay I email him my regrets and apologize for wasting his time. I NEVER HAGGLE OF NEGOTIATE. If at that point the escorts emails me asking what I am willing to pay I DO NOT RESPOND.

 

The point I am making with the above explanation is that if I accept the fee the escort states I DO NOT feel the need to tip. He named his fee and I am paying it!

 

Thank you thank you for this post because for months I have been dying to pose a question but did not know how to put it out there and you gave me the opening.

 

I handle my outings similarly meaning I prefer longer outings 3+hrs if I can get them and I will gladdly include a meal afterward. I do no haggling on price just the same as you it is yes or politely decline.

 

How do you handle the gentlemen who quotes you for the outing and and then quotes an additional fee, less than the quoted bed time, for taking him out to eat. Yes I was quoted a fee for the bed time and an additional amount to take him out for a meal. Yes it was outside the three hours, so I had to pay him to be a luncheon companion. Any thoughts??? I politely declined the entire outing but did not tell him specifically why.

I have had gentlemen actually ask to take me out for lunch and pick up the tab, but I do try to grab the ticket and usually do get it.

[instudiocity]

Having a session with a very, very old man who has not have had sex in many, many years and sharing with him my body, my time, myself is a tip in itself. And no, I am not interested in playing the Mother Superior of Ho role here, but I can assure you that any escort with a bit of vocation finds that kind of session intensely rewarding.

 

If we applied those strange standards then who would really need to tip would be rude or dirty people, except that when I get the slightest glimpse of either I simply go without asking for any compensation.

 

I know I am only speaking on my behalf but if you are fat, or if you are disabled or if you are old (and even "very" old), you are not only not expected to tip as if meeting you would be a terrible burden, but you are welcomed to meet me and you will be celebrated for who you are.

The man who wrote this just raised the bar. Thank you!

[Rod Hagen]

If you don't keep track of who tips and who doesn't, how can you say massage clients don't tip but escort clients do. just saying...

 

Obviously, there's a difference between my noticing a trend, a generality (tips in massage v. escort), versus keeping track. Keeping track would imply that if someone did or didn't tip me I would "take note" for our next meeting or possibly even hold a grudge. I do not.