Unexpected, not suprising, underhanded, cleverly protected by a well crafted persona

[AdamSmith]

The New Cadence post contains absolutely nothing that singled out tomcat or anyone else. Did you even read it?

 

BoN, both Tomcat and MsGuy were referring to the original post in THIS thread, not the New Cadence thread. Tomcat specifically quoted the title of THIS thread in his first post here. Pay attention before you shoot off.

[AdamSmith]

Do any of the old timers here get a sense of déjà vu regarding this situation with Ryan? At the risk of being branded as part of the cabal, Ryan’s behavior of the last several weeks reminds me of Devon from San Francisco circa 2003/2004.

 

Uncanny. That very thought has been going through my head for some days now.

 

I have seen enough of one side of this drama to say with conviction that Tomcat is not the agent provocateur here.

[+ David-SF]

A review ??

 

I wont go into too much about this very chaotic thread

I also do not want to be drawn into hearsay conversations

FOR THE RECORD

as I review my text messages to tomcat about his post on writing a difficult review I see that I only suggested that "IF" he wrote a review about the encounter to write about his experience as it may help another person that has the same issue. not about how great of a job i did.

I certainly dont think I begged nor even asked for a review when I saw Tomcat my main reason for advising him was because he asked for assistance publicly.

I actually dont really enjoy being reviewed to be honest.

I think Ryan your OP could have been much better written and kept it about yourself raking TC over the coals because you feel like you were mislead is why I dont ever want to know if anyone that hires me posts here or not and more importantly I dont want to know their user name on the mc.

I know the private message machine drama is out there I have seen the PM's by clients that felt obligated to show me the rumor that was floating around about me etc etc. Painful ??? You bet. Damaging ?? who knows. I think its important to remember that there is a huge world out there and this community is a small one a very important part of a support system like no other for escorts and clients alike. as with any place in the world its filled with humans that are ..... HUMAN and we all have to find ways to meet and move through and live the best way we can.

So if you enjoy the support and family you have found here then find ways to communicate constructively. dont alienate others and although I think you have a message here in your post I also think you can best express it one on one. Its what a friend would do.

If I have behaved in a way that shines poorly in my own integrity you can believe that a good friend is going to say David your being an ass.

 

move on and shine and be who you are and live the example you want to see in others.

Use the 24 hour rule and try picking up the phone and call around and ask for advise once in a while

xo David

[+ purplekow]

Diverdan, I alerted Daddy last night and made the same point. His response was there is nothing in the rules of the forum that proscribe this type of interaction. I do not believe I am speaking out of turn in mentioning this.

[+ purplekow]

[quote=8inchtool;673151FOR THE RECORD

I actually dont really enjoy being reviewed to be honest.

 

If I have behaved in a way that shines poorly in my own integrity you can believe that a good friend is going to say David your being an ass.

xo David

 

David....you are being an ass. Bon voyage big boy, the dogs miss you.

 

Since this post was meant to be tongue in cheek about David not enjoying being reviewed, I have received a note suggesting that I thought his whole post was disingenuous. For my part, this quote reflects only on the sentence above and even in that it should have been denoted with a smiley or a LOL or some other indicator of loving playfulness. Enjoy Paris big boy.

[BaronArtz]

I am just now reading this heart-warming exchange of ideas for the first time, and I am sure I am not understanding any of the nuance here. Regardless of the circumstances, some of the posters here make statements that seem to be bad for business.

[Guest RyanCade]

Uncanny. That very thought has been going through my head for some days now.

 

I have seen enough of one side of this drama to say with conviction that Tomcat is not the agent provocateur here.[/quote

 

Many would surely benefit if they took a little time read the facts added the before behavior and the unmistakable and intentional avoidance and the numerous even pre explained excuses. the activity that took place while the excuses were being made. The review does not exist never did and Tomcat did not intend on being called on the carpet. he made every effort to keep me quietly waiting while time passed . He assured me it would be submitted by friday and we met on monday. thats his time table, and here in this thread he explained that he takes time to write reviews. He had already posted a thread about another review for someone else. before this thread posted. he claimed one was submitted, when I told him there was no review submitted he assured me it would be and that he would send me a copy.. That was a week ago. its been more than a month since we met... Tomcat admitted in this thread that he was willing to risk it all to protect his love Romann I can assure you he is an extremely intelligent man and never falls behind on his game, as he as claimed here.. He mistakenly promised me a review that he realized later he could not provide without expressing gratitude for an experience he wants Romann to believe he only shared with him, as he does have fantasies of life ever after with his first.. He didn't know what to do so he did nothing. There is no other logical explanation and I will be the first to admit if a reasonable on is presented.. If he fits the bill I have tagged him with he is working very hard on that pre-existing review so he can produce it as a lost gift and save his credibility. anyone who earnestly reviews the facts I have produced with an unbiased position can not deny the irregular, suspicious, lack of activity and 360 degree change in behavior. He expected time would pass and I would get over it like David did. This forum is split in 5 groups in my opinion. Tomcat was very boastful of his diligent efforts to promote his two favorite escorts and without a doubt his love for Romann has a hand in the runaway some how submitted but lost review that no one will ever see. It never existed... Your post was typical and predictable adam

[doitb4ugo]

I can speak about what I know

 

I have just had a chance to read this thread all the way through. While a great deal has already been said, I want to respond a bit differently.

 

1. Tom is one of my best friends on this site (and off). He has never in the time I have known him offered me anything but kind support and advice as well as much love in my trials and tribulations since I started exploring here. Is he occasionaly over-exuberant. I love that about him but it does take patience once in a while. He has always been well meaning in all his actions with me...And Yes, I spoke with him when Ryan was suffering through the stalking incident and on his good word I send Ryan some money (not much but what I could afford). Tom, hang in there, as a true friend, my support and love is there for you.
   
2. Ryan, I am appalled at the lack of "discretion" you have shown in this instance. When I hire an escort, I would hardly expect to see the kind of info posted by you in a forum. Up until this incident, I held you in high regard as a person and as a poster here even though I have not always agreed with you point of view. I would like to believe that anything I said to an escort I hired would stay private even though I know that many of those private conversations make their way here, usually by the client who has every right to expose their own thoughts. This he said, he said, discussion is totally inappropriate.
   

Your post, Ryan, makes it impossible to continue to hold you in high regard. That makes me somewhat sad but it is a situation made from your own insecurities and the need to voice them before engaging your better self.

[NYTomcat]

Oh I thought this was a conspiracy tale of espionage and intrigue. Lost documents and the like. Didn't realize I was starring in a love story. Or Maybe its single white female the gay version. A story of unbridled obsession.

 

Even if any of this were true. One - I Dont owe you a review. Thats clearly a benefit beyond the hire. Done out of interest. And two, if any of this were true your compassion would be truly lacking. Luckily this is not the case. Ok I've said enough can't believe I even came back into this.

[MiamiLooker]

A review should never be expected nor promised. Seems like both the OP And the client share the blame on this one.

[imrthr]

 

 

[*]Ryan, I am appalled at the lack of "discretion" you have shown in this instance. When I hire an escort, I would hardly expect to see the kind of info posted by you in a forum. Up until this incident, I held you in high regard as a person and as a poster here even though I have not always agreed with you point of view. I would like to believe that anything I said to an escort I hired would stay private even though I know that many of those private conversations make their way here, usually by the client who has every right to expose their own thoughts. This he said, he said, discussion is totally inappropriate.

Your post, Ryan, makes it impossible to continue to hold you in high regard. That makes me somewhat sad but it is a situation made from your own insecurities and the need to voice them before engaging your better self.

 

 

I knew even before Ryan’s most recent thread that he had two distinct personalities. One personality was oozing with charm while the other was a meanspirited and unpleasant volatile individual.

 

Use the computer function on this forum and locate and read many of Ryan’s posts. It won't take a bright person long to see through the insincere/charming/angry composition of Ryan’s personality and see the inconsistencies of his anger and charm and his anger swinging back and forth.

 

The thread he authored today wherein he attacked and betrayed NYTomcat is but one strong example of the type of person Ryan has shown himself to be.

 

Ryan made two inappropriate attacks at me in the past. One of Ryan’s attacks was in connection with my posting a harmless comment about my wondering why another member of this site answered some questions that I had directed to the originator of a particular thread.

 

Ryan went "over the top" and excoriated me over my comment. His anger and outburst came out of the blue. His outburst over something so trivial demonstrated that Ryan has little control over his emotions and behavior.

 

Ryan's outburst also indicates that he could potentially be a dangerous person if he became angry in your presence rather than over this site.

 

From time-to-time I noticed Ryan had similar unprovoked outbursts with other posters over minor issues. Then, he would return and resume the charm by posting another insincere post which many members of this forum apparently believed.

 

Ryan’s authoring his latest pathetic betrayal of a client (NYTomcat) who befriended him reinforces my belief that Ryan is insincere and is someone to avoid.

 

It is my impression that Ryan has some very serious mental problems that cause him to write the things he writes.

[KMEM]

Everyone, please stop and close this thread.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest RyanCade]

A review should never be expected nor promised. Seems like both the OP And the client share the blame on this one.

 

My only issue is that it was publicly and valiantly volunteered as a credible report after our meeting, in response to imrthr thoughtful well composed intellectual expression, ruthlessly attacking my character and credibility.. I never expect nor would I ever ask for a review. Tom took the liberty of placing my reputation carelessly on his own shoulders and his failure to follow through and his silence spoke volumes of his character and respect for my very fragile position here. I have spent many hours defending it against ruthless inconsiderate self righteous predators who hide behind screen names and a ridiculous and unacceptable guidlines allowing their own misconduct to be smothered with red tape. The attacks will continue and I may never take another call again, but I will never submit to such a mentality. like shallow shark infested water requires you to be quite a magician to servive if it's possible. escorts are charged with a full time job to protect themselves from the cold blooded preditors. without hesitation they are instructed to TREAD VERY LIGHTLY if they hope to navigate the message center for any length of time and continue to make money... I MEAN REALLY, the sickness and double standard are brutally defended even by some who claim not to agree with it.

[imrthr]

Everyone, please stop and close this thread.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

You do not have to read the thread if you are so bothered by it.

 

The thread is informative to potential clients who are considering hiring Ryan.

 

Can't you see that Ryan betrayed a client and told intimate and private things about the client simply because the client was late with a review?

 

Yes, a review is what prompted this hateful thread authored by the escort.

 

Should the thread be closed and thus deprive potential clients from learning about what Ryan did to a client?

 

What is the purpose of an M4M review forum if a thread is closed because someone does not want to read about an escort that turned on a client over something so trivial?

 

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[Guest RyanCade]

You do not have to read the thread if you are so bothered by it.

 

The thread is informative to potential clients who are considering hiring Ryan.

 

Can't you see that Ryan betrayed a client and told intimate and private things about the client simply because the client was late with a review?

 

Yes, a review is what prompted this hateful thread authored by the escort.

 

Should the thread be closed and thus deprive potential clients from learning about what Ryan did to a client?

 

What is the purpose of an M4M review forum if a thread is closed because someone does not want to read about an escort that turned on a client over something so trivial?

 

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I was but it's simply a waist of time... nevermind............

[best hotel]

The alternative for an escort to expose and or confront a client with regard to foolish, unfair games is what??? any suggestions...

 

Ryan...assuming your request for suggestions is not entirely sarcastic......i am sorry that you are so upset, but a public attack on Tom for a privately promised review was unwarranted and "unfair" .....your need to "expose" Tom says more about you than about Tom......people who don't write you a review are not "foolish".........however, starting a war here is not only foolish, but self -defeating....perhaps you could give Tom the benefit of the doubt and stop......you have done more to harm your reputation than a good review would have done to enhance it......i have been in this place before and the emotions can get too big......my suggestion is to work it out privately with Tom......peace...m

[KMEM]

You do not have to read the thread if you are so bothered by it.

 

The thread is informative to potential clients who are considering hiring Ryan.

 

Can't you see that Ryan betrayed a client and told intimate and private things about the client simply because the client was late with a review?

 

Yes, a review is what prompted this hateful thread authored by the escort.

 

Should the thread be closed and thus deprive potential clients from learning about what Ryan did to a client?

 

What is the purpose of an M4M review forum if a thread is closed because someone does not want to read about an escort that turned on a client over something so trivial?

 

-

 

Don't you think there is enough information for anyone who seriously is considering this thread for such? Closing the thread will still leave the previously posted info there. This horse is dead. How long do you wish to beat it while it is lying on the ground?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[imrthr]

 

This horse is dead. How long do you wish to beat it while it is lying on the ground?

 

KMEM

 

I agree, when the horse is dead, it is time to get off.

 

I have said all I can say about this thread.

 

However, I would never attempt to dictate or act as the "posting police" by telling other posters not to post what they feel like posting. That is inappropriate, in my opinion.

 

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[+ deej]

a public attack on Tom for a privately promised review was unwarranted and "unfair" .....

 

Point of clarification: Ryan mentioned nobody by name. It was the client, in this thread, who jumped up and down, waved flags, lit fireworks, and said "IT WAS ME!"

[Scorpio]

Point of clarification: Ryan mentioned nobody by name. It was the client, in this thread, who jumped up and down, waved flags, lit fireworks, and said "IT WAS ME!"

 

True, but the bread crumbs that Ryan left were sufficient enough for me to figure it out in about 60 seconds, which was several hours before the client said "It was me." Althoug it's possible, I doubt I was the only one to do so.

[NYTomcat]

Point of clarification: Ryan mentioned nobody by name. It was the client, in this thread, who jumped up and down, waved flags, lit fireworks, and said "IT WAS ME!"

 

Point of clarification deej... I've been straight too long to flit, jump,waive, prance, flounce or even light fireworks. Unlike others I simply step up and admit when someone is clearly referencing me that ill discuss it.

 

I have said my peace. No review is forthcoming. Ill stand By what I said Before services rendered, payment received, transaction over.

[Diverdan]

I come back to my earlier post... the horse is dead, the continued discussion of an issue that really only involves two people should be handeled discretely and privately by the two individuals involved. I appeal to Daddy to close this thread before it drives others away from posting. Nothing good can come from most of these postings and further discussion of this will only further exacerbate the emotions involved. It is time for everyone to move on.

[imrthr]

 

snip snip

 

I appeal to Daddy to close this thread before it drives others away from posting. Nothing good can come from most of these postings and further discussion of this will only further exacerbate the emotions involved. It is time for everyone to move on.

 

 

On the contrary, posting to this thread does not drive away anyone. It is one of the busiest threads on the forum.

 

It seems we now have two members of the "posting police" on board.

 

You know, of course, there is nothing forcing you to read a post that is offensive to you. There are many posts on this forum I ignore and do not read. Do I attempt to have the thread I dislike removed? Obviously, not.

 

Well, well, well and my, oh, my!

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[jimboivyo]

Point of clarification deej... I've been straight too long to flit, jump,waive, prance, flounce or even light fireworks. Unlike others I simply step up and admit when someone is clearly referencing me that ill discuss it.

 

I have said my peace. No review is forthcoming. Ill stand By what I said Before services rendered, payment received, transaction over.

 

Perhaps- But you stepped up without thinking, directly into the bullet. Not the smartest move and for the record, Ryan did not out you at any point. He shared details of what seemed to be an arrangement between you two, you reneged on it in his eyes and he vented. Don't play prince valiant by saying you just had to 'step up' and defend your online, digital persona. Makes no sense.

 

Not saying that Ryan has handled this perfectly either. There is and always has been a major double standard at play here on this message center- Escorts are too easily vilified and lurker/clients get away with what amounts to career murder. While Ryan might not have handled this so well, it's laughable that some who have posted replies on this thread have also been equally as guilty of the same crimes. The messages I've gotten privately from here, guys spreading around personal information and plain old gossip, is unbelievable.

 

I suggest moving on from this issue. No one really appears to be adding anything new or interesting to the thread- Including me

[+ deej]

The messages I've gotten privately from here, guys spreading around personal information and plain old gossip, is unbelievable.

 

The private message feature has been coming up a lot in discussions lately. If it is being abused, perhaps we should disable it.