Boycott Sean Cody

[Terpmaniac]

I will not boycott Sean Cody!!!

 

Why, because I have always been nauseated by them to begin with and stayed away. Devon's blog only confirms the vibe that I have always got..."lets not be too gay". Geeze.... their response (SC) only confirms what I always believed and what Devon has stated.

 

Same here. I never supported Sean Cody but for a different reason...I mean c'mon a little COLOR wouldn't hurt for gods sake, and not not necessarily black, how about red, yellow, brown, mix it up a little. Yes, I know there is the occassional hot brutha that appears and reappears every 5 or 6 years!

[Guest ChgoBoy]

2257 information is not a matter of public record nor is it "Filed".

 

The requirement is that the information be maintained by a "Custodian of Records" defined by the producer. The information is private and must be secured separately from other information. It is only accessible by a limited number of people and in a controlled manner.

 

Thanks for that clarification. Good to know.

[seeker630]

Homophobia?

 

No, there is nothing wrong with that.....however, the behavior does indicate an overall attitude that is deceptive, and seems subtly hypocritical IMHO. The cloaked SC message seems to be "hell yes I just fuck chicks, but I may do a guy if he is hot and not some nancy queer". Fantasy or not, I think it has subtle hints of homophobia all over it.

I'm not a Sean Cody 'regular' but I haven't sensed homophobia. The 'Ryan' profile acknowledges Devon's gayness. Whether the target audience for the fantasy they sell is homophobic could certainly be discussed.

 

Was anyone else bothered by Devon's use of the term 'breeder' in his blog?

[Guest ChgoBoy]

Boy, do I feel like a case of undesirable head cheese or what!

 

When I first read about this story as reported at the sword http://www.thesword.com/index.php/all-stories/42-depts/3791-gay-sean-cody-model-told-to-dial-down-the-gay.html

 

When this story was simply a cautionary tale by Devon

 

It appeared to be just another nightmare experience by an honest gay porn actor, with a studio that, for whatever reason, (well, the reason is you guys pay them so you can get off) could care less about how the slaughtered pig becomes that nicely packaged bacon under your favorite brand label in the grocery store.

 

That's how it started out, so I really skimmed this thread because it appeared to be old news...but an important story as to how what you get off with and on is actually produced.

 

Hence my earlier Walmart sweat shop analogy. That's how I felt when I read Devon's blog entry on Saturday. It was really a very difficult read and a further disgusting read, If I had been someone jerking off to the final product.

 

So, wow, what a couple of days do indeed represent, when you're publicly laundering a studios inhumane type practices, to finally get a struggling aroused cock in one room with str8 porn, all the while then going soft, and deflating up someone else's ass in another room. For the shot and angle.

 

I'm sure somewhere, Chuck Holmes is rolling over in his grave. Over and over and over again.

 

Yet, these are not the days of Chuck Holmes any longer, and further, what once was known as the days of real gay porn - are indeed over. Forever. Maybe.

 

We still have choice if you vote with your pocketbook.

 

Sadly, many of us vote with our dick. And that will never really change when it comes to porn probably, because it's always there. When you need and want it.

 

The resolve probably resides between knowledge and desire.

 

Know who produces your porn, and who their actors are, and what and how those actors are treated in their work by that studio.

 

If most people understood how hogs and cattle were manufactured to look so perfect in your neighborhood grocers cooler to provide such pleasure when consumed by the buyer - they would really think twice about that. And in many cases we do, but food is a necessary transaction which we must make with those who supply our stores with their product.

 

In the case of porn, it is so very different. You can really jerk off to just about anything, as every one of us knows from our youth. Sears catalog anyone? You really can, and you can just pass on one studio for another if one is so reflective of what you might find unacceptable.

 

I've until today, always thought that the argument of "gay4pay" was a ridiculous and an annoying rebellion that sexually dissatisfied queens were bitching about that you find on many gay forums across the gay web.

 

If you're jackin' it to two guys fucking - it's always been gay porn to me. That's all that really mattered. No?

 

Voting with our dick is probably the last campaign that we as gay men are capable of finishing well in.

 

Then again, there once was a woman named Anita Bryant......

 

Perhaps, it is, time again. To squeeze the oranges.......

[orbital sander]

Same here. I never supported Sean Cody but for a different reason...I mean c'mon a little COLOR wouldn't hurt for gods sake, and not not necessarily black, how about red, yellow, brown, mix it up a little. Yes, I know there is the occassional hot brutha that appears and reappears every 5 or 6 years!

 

Oh, excellent point, and another good reason why I will not ever send them a dime.

[orbital sander]

In THIS CASE, the privacy issue is off the table but note that it was Devon that took it off.

 

The fact remains that Sean Cody does not respect privacy. I still won't be trusting them with my personal information as a customer.

 

Absolutely, this point is one of the more important facets of all this.

 

Whether or not I like the SC "brand" or what it represents, the fact is that they are not worth trusting for this very reason. We all have our likes and dislikes, opinions and etc., but at the end of the day I won't be trusting them with my information either. The possibility that they even pissed on Devon's privacy as a retaliation is even more repugnant.

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

Sean Cody Who?

 

To be honest ive never really been a fan of the "Gay for Pay" websites. Like most gay guys(I would assume) I myself have a fantasy of hooking up with straight guys who have never experienced another man. The Gay porn websites to me are too.."Gay"(Pun Intended). I find what turns me on is the webcam sites..xtube..basically your everyday guy next door types who got caught up one day and decided to film themselves. Ive tried to enjoy the gay sites and Its absurd that the "Broke Str8 Boys" and the like are more flamboyant than rupaul in full drag. Im not knocking those websites..I know a few people personally who have done them..one imparticular who wants me to be featured on a new website hes launching(I declined based on my love of discretion). Sean Cody I will say does have the quality A types with the perfect bodies etc..they just need to think more outside the box and have more real scenario scenes. One thing i hate in porn is bad acting/writing.

[Guy Fawkes]

Received from CodyMedia along with my original email. Daddy

 

Thank you for your concerns regarding this situation. To directly answer your question, please refer to comment number 76 on http://www.queerclick.com/archive/2010/06/did_sean_cody_tell_ryan_to_act_le.php#comments

Queerclick:

"I am the Features Editor from QueerClick who accidentally published Devon's real name. I say "accidentally" because I swear that it was 100% an honest mistake—a horrible, inexcusable, and irreversible mistake, but one that was not made out of malice or a desire to "side" with Sean Cody."

 

Hi Sean,

 

Over the last almost four years DaddysReviews has been one of your affiliates. In that time DaddysReviews has generated $15K or so in sales to the benefit of both of our organizations. Each Friday I've featured one of the "Sean Cody" men on my main page.

 

Today I went in and found a thread in my message forum labeled: "Boycott Sean Cody" and in particular the entry below reflects the sediment of the users of DaddysReviews. Before the day is out, I'm going have a flame thrower applied to my backside and in two days I'm going to have to make a decision when I start prepping for the Friday update.

 

<seancody_riff.jpg>

 

Privacy is the major concern over here at DaddysReviews and as you can see "Outing" somebody isn't acceptable behavior on my Website.

 

In addition the statement: "The shoot with [Ryan] happened over a year ago. It is unfortunate that [Ryan] feels it is necessary to attack us in order to promote his prostitution/escorting services and desire to attract other companies to work with him" seems to me to be the pot calling the kettle black.

 

So the question is: "How are you going to fix this?"

 

My Customers and I need an answer,

Daddy

[flguy]

Miguel, I think you are really missing the entire point of this thread. It has nothing to do with G4P or being Too Gay, It has EVERYTHING to do with Sean Cody revealing the REAL name of an actor.

 

And to Daddy, That response is just bullshit from Sean Cody. THEY put his name in their email or letter to QueerClick, whether QC didn't do their job in editing, Sean Cody put Devon's name out there so they are at fault and of course attempting to cover it up.

 

I would love to know how many cancellations in subscriptions they have had the past day, I hope it REALLY hurts them in their pocket.

[josephga]

I was contacted once about appearing Jake cruise I said no. I figured the pay wouldn't be that great. plus porns forever you can't take it back once you've done it.

[+ deej]

Received from CodyMedia along with my original email. Daddy

 

Hanlon's razor:

 

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

But how did Queerclick get the information in the first place? SC hasn't explained that, or apologized, or admitted the information came from them.

 

There is a plausible scenario. That would be where QC and SC are all part of one company and/or use the same personnel. We don't know if that's the case and I don't have time or reason to dig into it. But that comes from the part of me that wants to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

 

The other part of me says SC doesn't give a shit about personal information and can't be trusted with it.

[Guy Fawkes]

Much more interesting was what they didn't say. No apologies, No regrets, No statement.

 

Just a vague reference to the 75th comment of a now buried article. Even the NYT did a better job when they messed up.

 

At this point, I'm becoming seriously disenchanted with what used to be my favorite site.

 

Hanlon's razor:

 

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

But how did Queerclick get the information in the first place? SC hasn't explained that, or apologized, or admitted the information came from them.

 

There is a plausible scenario. That would be where QC and SC are all part of one company and/or use the same personnel. We don't know if that's the case and I don't have time or reason to dig into it. But that comes from the part of me that wants to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

 

The other part of me says SC doesn't give a shit about personal information and can't be trusted with it.

[+ deej]

Much more interesting was what they didn't say. No apologies, No regrets, No statement.

 

Just a vague reference to the 75th comment of a now buried article. Even the NYT did a better job when they messed up.

 

At this point, I'm becoming seriously disenchanted with what used to be my favorite site.

 

Replace them. They're not the only game in town.

 

(Since we just got off the phone I'm just saying out loud what's already on your mind.)

[wayout]

Much more interesting was what they didn't say. No apologies, No regrets, No statement.

 

Just a vague reference to the 75th comment of a now buried article. Even the NYT did a better job when they messed up.

 

At this point, I'm becoming seriously disenchanted with what used to be my favorite site.

 

 

Not defending SC in any way, but I wonder if they are not offering any apologies, statements or regrets because they have been advised by legal counsel not to do so. It may be possible that they violated some confidentiality agreement by releasing the name of one of their models in the way they did and they realize that they are at risk.

[jgoo]

As a former and potential future subscriber to SeanCody, I wrote to them to express how unhappy I was with their releasing a model's true identity and they might need a lawyer. I also indicated that this was a serious issue for subscribers who want their identities protected and any confidence that SeanCody has any care for discretion or properly protects confidential information is gone.

 

Here is the reply that I got: "Thank you for writing to express your concern. Our attorney is handling the situation from here. I can tell you that what you read on Ryan/Devon's blog is slander, and isn't true. We have emails from Ryan/Devon wanting to do more work with us along with statements via text and emails with positive experiences about the shoot with Fuller. He had a great experience with us and I went above and beyond what other companies would have done for him. Sean and I make sure all our models are very well taken of. This situation is nothing more then Devon seeking attention for his personal gain. Again, thank you for your concern. Charles"

 

Perhaps a form letter as it totally ignores a key point I was writing about which was the loss of trust for them because of their releasing a models identitiy. But it is interesting that they mention slander and seems that they are positioning themselves with Ryan/Devon in a way that if he sues them, they will sue him back. They appear to be going with the strategy of a best defense is a good offense.

 

Btw, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe what they meant to say is the blog is libel (which refers to things that are written) as opposed to slander (which is spoken). Maybe they need a better attorney.

[jgoo]

Hi jgoo,

 

I wonder, is it an option that you write them again and point out that they missed your question, that you repeat the question, and that you ask them again to respond? Of course it's not up to me to say what you should do, but I'm not a customer, so it's not logical that I do such.

 

It seems to me that they are being blinded by preparing to fight a fight, while the needs of their customers and models are completely outside their eye-angle and let's not forget that it's their customers who pay them a living. It surprises me that they don't see the concerns of these so important customers. Maybe a second note may wake them up?

 

In addition, preparing for a legal fight with Devon will also scare more models away.

 

I sincerely hope that the question "Okay, so how do we resolve this?" will prevale at both sides.

 

Warmest regards, Anton/Amsterdam.

 

 

Hi Anton, As soon as I received the reply I sent off another email to say exactly as you mentioned above, namely that they did not answer my real concern and they haven't addressed the root cause of the problem.

 

I agree with you completely that they need to focus on addressing the issue of concern by their subscribers and models (past, current and future).

 

If I hear anything back from them I will post it here.

[+ Shoreboy]

Drop Em

 

I too would like to add my voice of getting rid of Sean Cody.

 

First of all it has never attracted me since I have no desire to pay for people pretending to be straight jumping over to the other side of the fence.

 

Secondly, although I have never met Dvon Hunter, he has always come across to me as one of the shining stars, a sincere person and someone who is proud to be gay.

 

What SC did to be was reprehensible and there should be some major ramifications....in our society it has become commonplace to throw out a huge bomb and then offer a half-assed apology.

 

No more Sean Cody for me....not even scrolling down to take a quick look at the potential eye candy on the first page

[azhiker]

I haven't subscribed to SC in over a year as the videos aren't as good as they used to be with too much staging, ie noisy sex, odd positions that are not a turn on and sometimes unintentionally funny moments. Learning that they take up to 8 hours to stage a scene is kind of a turn off too. 40 condoms! Ouch.

 

As for customer privacy, there is none if you use CC Billing. All the information you give them is sent to the provider except actual credit card numbers. See their consumer privacy policy.

[josephga]

I watched a documentary once on behind the scenes of porn. Allot of directors take hours too shoot 1 scene. Kristen Bjorn sometimes takes days for a scene. they fake orgasms. it showed them creating fake cum to put on the actors, they would put their dick in for 15 strokes pull out go to the corner read a mag watch a vid, get hard again come back 15 more strokes for the cam pull out then repeat over and over. the dick wasn't always in the ass at times, sometimes only for the close ups,..

[JT Brooklyn]

Kristian the King!

 

I watched a documentary once on behind the scenes of porn. Allot of directors take hours too shoot 1 scene. Kristen Bjorn sometimes takes days for a scene. they fake orgasms. it showed them creating fake cum to put on the actors, they would put their dick in for 15 strokes pull out go to the corner read a mag watch a vid, get hard again come back 15 more strokes for the cam pull out then repeat over and over. the dick wasn't always in the ass at times, sometimes only for the close ups,..

 

Ah Yes all is True!

 

BUT Kristen Bjorn has always taken me with his knack for finding Handsome MEN and Beautiful Locations...to Magical Places where all things are Beautiful Natural Sex!

 

Long Live the K.B. Fantasy!

[+ azdr0710]

well, if SeanCody really wanted to seem like they had only straight guys, they wouldn't have let their latest duo, Brad and Mitchell, even speak in their little intro chat!....

 

I do hope we all find out if SeanCody really let out private info re: Devon in some sort of retaliation move....very bad if so....however, Devon's verbose ramblings on his blog seem a bit much....

 

gotta say I do prefer the straight-acting/-sounding/-appearing dudes that sometimes show up on SC....even if it's an act, they're actors anyway....can't take all this fantasy stuff so seriously, guys.....(ask ten people, you'll get ten opinions)

[seeker630]

Devon (aka 'Ryan') on Sean Cody

 

well, if SeanCody really wanted to seem like they had only straight guys, they wouldn't have let their latest duo, Brad and Mitchell, even speak in their little intro chat!....

 

I do hope we all find out if SeanCody really let out private info re: Devon in some sort of retaliation move....very bad if so....however, Devon's verbose ramblings on his blog seem a bit much....

 

gotta say I do prefer the straight-acting/-sounding/-appearing dudes that sometimes show up on SC....even if it's an act, they're actors anyway....can't take all this fantasy stuff so seriously, guys.....(ask ten people, you'll get ten opinions)

 

The intro text on the site clearly identifies 'Ryan' as gay - and his obvious pride in it. http://www.seancody.com/page.php?frame=movie&movie=827

 

(And I still find Devon's use of the term 'breeder' offensive, but I think he was playing to his audience.)

 

None of which excuses revealing his identity, as was apparently done, of course, but if we're condemning SC, let's at least do it for valid reasons.

[RockCreekRunr]

Devon's an F'n Hottie...

 

I predict Sean Cody is going to lose much more from all this hoopla than will the escort/porn star. I had never heard of Devon until reading this thread and subsequently checking out his blog and escort reviews. But now I think he's a total stud-bottom and definitely want to hire him for a tryst if he ever travels up to DC. On the other hand, I'll never subscribe to SC again. Outing anyone for any reason is never justifiable, imho.

[seeker630]

Porn as advertising

 

Interesting ....

 

I read that playing in a porn movie doesn't pay what it used to pay before. I also heard that an important side-effect of playing in porn is that actors who are also escorts get clearly more requests from clients, mainly because of the extra expose the actor/escort gets from the porn movies.

 

Devon could get a lot of extra exposure from the current situation and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to his benefit.

 

If he does everything with class and style regarding SC then I expect prospective clients to appreciate Devon even more and be more willing to hire him. (Btw, with this remark I'm not suggesting anything about his current approach.)

 

Of course, if SC does everything with class and style, that will be to their benefit as well.

 

Warmest, Anton/Amsterdam.

 

I know of at least one well-known escort who sadi he only made the occasional porn movie to increase his escorting business.

[josephga]

yeah making porn will give a person a bigger name in the escort world. guys can make more money stripping if they have done porn too