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Guest RyanCade
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The measure of truth conveyed by true experience

 

I agree with what you said including your suggestion.

 

Nope, the client is a very private person and not a member here. He doesn't even want to post a review at all. So I thought of posting the scenario and see how it would be handled properly. Surely, someone must have experienced the same thing before.

 

The problem with this story may just be that the client is not speaking from experience therefore all of the Fact are not included as it was his experience and not yours. reason for not permitting hear say as evidence is not that the person sharing doesn't have good intentions, but rather it is not the experience of the person sharing therefore lacks the personal affects and details that will either ring true or make one suspicious. that will only be subconsciously conveyed by the individual who is speaking from actual experience. You are a good friend for trying to help, and I hope you will ask him to write that note. I truly believe it will get his desired result, probably in short order.. :)

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I see your point RyanCade. Nothing wrong with giving the benefit of the doubt. It's a good practice and everyone should be afforded with that. And yes, sometimes, something gets dropped when retelling the story.

 

I guess my typing was not clear. This is the account I was told. It happened a few times. So, take it with a grain of salt pls per suggestion. The guy replied with something like "you have plans tonight?" Then my friend replied that he had no plans and available to pick up the property anytime. Then, no reply after that from the guy. So, my friend would send a couple of messages asking if it was still on. Then no reply. To some, those extra messages may be annoying. I told my friend to try forgetting it because the guy seemed to be "enjoying" the "trick."

 

 

I have highlighted the areas that I feel make this inappropriate and a deal breaker. It should be considered hear say. using the word "MAY" have become annoying and then following with the reason indicates that he did become annoying. Why the preemptive defense. "never once went to his area his house or anything close to it" ??? "He "may" have come to a point of being annoying", but "he is the most patient and respectful person I know"

 

Not to be frank, but this story is suspicious and has a few holes in it..

 

and no I am not the new escort advocate, but like Judge Judy says. "Don't tell me what he said" and "If it doesn't make sense it's not true"

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I had an escort leave an expensive pair of sunglasses behind one time. I called him a half hour later and he said he would get them "the next time". Since he was a "favorite" it did not take him long to get them back. Maybe you could schedule a second appointment?

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Ryan, my compliments on your analysis of the inconsistencies in the story (are you thinking of going to law school?), but the story is all second-hand so we don't know if the inconsistencies are due to what the client said or due to bystander's filling in the narrative so that it makes sense to us when we read it.

 

IF, however, it is accurate that the escort is not being helpful and the client has offered to come pick up the property at a convenient time for the escort, then to my mind the escort is no better than a thief. Again, if the story is accurate, the escort has something that he knows belongs and is valuable to someone else, he knows that the owner wants it back and is willing to come pick it up at a time convenient for the escort, and there is absolutely no justification for the escort not to get the property back to the client if the escort is not unduly inconvenienced. That's not an issue of escort etiquette, that's basic human decency.

 

Given my view on the escort's behavior, I have no problem with the client writing a review of the escort that goes into specifics about and even focuses on the unreturned property. I think the story reveals a lot about the escort's character that I and other potential clients would want to know before hiring him.

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This story reminded me of another time when I could not make up my mind on whether to write a review because of an issue at the end. Sex was OK at his place, our first time together, nothing great but nothing bad. At the end, I went to settle up and could not locate my wallet. That felt a little sketchy with both of us each being afraid of being ripped off. After us searching the apartment for 10 minutes it turns out that a new puppy had gotten out of his box and chewed on my sneakers pretty good and then chomped a brand new wallet I had just gotten as a birthday gift. I showed the escort the bitemarks on the wallet and gave him a look, well...... He did not offer to compensate for the damage, I paid him his fee and said he might want to reconsider his in-call only service. I never did write a review or see him again but 10 years later in retrospect, I would have written one with a caution note.

Guest RyanCade
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Ryan, my compliments on your analysis of the inconsistencies in the story (are you thinking of going to law school?), but the story is all second-hand so we don't know if the inconsistencies are due to what the client said or due to bystander's filling in the narrative so that it makes sense to us when we read it.

 

IF, however, it is accurate that the escort is not being helpful and the client has offered to come pick up the property at a convenient time for the escort, then to my mind the escort is no better than a thief. Again, if the story is accurate, the escort has something that he knows belongs and is valuable to someone else, he knows that the owner wants it back and is willing to come pick it up at a time convenient for the escort, and there is absolutely no justification for the escort not to get the property back to the client if the escort is not unduly inconvenienced. That's not an issue of escort etiquette, that's basic human decency.

 

Given my view on the escort's behavior, I have no problem with the client writing a review of the escort that goes into specifics about and even focuses on the unreturned property. I think the story reveals a lot about the escort's character that I and other potential clients would want to know before hiring him.

 

Thanks, I am not considering law school, but my passion for justice is deep rooted. I believe the English language allows us to be very direct and forthright in type, conveying our message in a clear irrefutable manner. It also allows us to be vague deceptive, and misleading. To me an individuals choice of word is paramount and each should be considered carefully. Inconstant "facts" are not facts at all.

 

With regard to the escort, his professionalism and integrity,I agree with you 100% as I wrote in my first response; however, We are dealing with a persons livelihood here and should take that VERY seriously. This story leaves much question in my mind, it should be a very solid story to warrant jeopardizing the escorts livelihood. and if his identity leaks, it could impact him a great deal, true or not. If it is true the client should write the review and his experience will make sense and ring true.

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...The guy replied with something like "you have plans tonight?" Then my friend replied that he had no plans and available to pick up the property anytime. Then, no reply after that from the guy...

 

I'm confused. Your friend knows where this guy lives and the guy asked if your friend was available to pick up the item. Why didn't your friend simply go to the guy's home and pick it up?

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I take back what I said about law school, Ryan. You write much too clearly to be a lawyer. Try writing gobbledy-gook for a year or two before you apply. The lawyers I know are all experts at it.

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Hey now this lawyer was very succinct. I only use legalese when its useful. Its a learned tool. LOL

I take back what I said about law school, Ryan. You write much too clearly to be a lawyer. Try writing gobbledy-gook for a year or two before you apply. The lawyers I know are all experts at it.
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Tomcat, I went to law school and practiced for a while before moving over to the business side, so I'm not saying anything bad about you that I'm not saying about myself, or at least my past self.

 

It's a good lawyer who can turn the legalese on and off at will; many of them are stuck in legalese mode all the time.

Guest bystander
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Yes he could (though it is somewhat of a long drive I think). He suggested many times that he could swing by to pick up the item anytime it's convenient. But my friend is a type of person that would never go unless it is a confirmed agreement. And if he just goes, what if the guy is not there, does not open the door or something?

 

 

I'm confused. Your friend knows where this guy lives and the guy asked if your friend was available to pick up the item. Why didn't your friend simply go to the guy's home and pick it up?
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Well gee. Im a learned tool. And for all those lawyers out there I wrote my law review studying the methods of Learned Hand. ..... now I just need to work on learned mouth and ass and. Ill be all set. :eek:

Its funny I think of most lawyers as learned tools.
Guest bystander
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LOL, so funny :D

 

 

Well gee. Im a learned tool. And for all those lawyers out there I wrote my law review studying the methods of Learned Hand. ..... now I just need to work on learned mouth and ass and. Ill be all set. :eek:
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Yes he could (though it is somewhat of a long drive I think). He suggested many times that he could swing by to pick up the item anytime it's convenient. But my friend is a type of person that would never go unless it is a confirmed agreement. And if he just goes, what if the guy is not there, does not open the door or something?

 

If he went to the guy's house when asked whether he could pick the item up that evening, there was a greater-than-zero percent chance that he would have retrieved his item. He didn't go, so there was a zero percent chance that he would retrieve it.

Guest bystander
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Sorry, I wasn't being clear. No, the guy never said that my friend could pick it up. He simply asked what my friend's plan that night. My friend would then reply saying he didn't have plans and then asked if he could go that night to pick it up. Then, no reply from the guy at all.

 

When I said "He suggested many times that he could swing by to pick up the item anytime it's convenient," I was referring to my friend. My friend can swing by whenever it is convenient for the guy.

 

If he went to the guy's house when asked whether he could pick the item up that evening, there was a greater-than-zero percent chance that he would have retrieved his item. He didn't go, so there was a zero percent chance that he would retrieve it.

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