Escorts and drug use.

[Guest Griffyn10941]

I am totally confused. On many of the sites where escorts advertise there is a question about drug use. In many many cases the escort indicates "non drug user" but under the section tastes/fetishes/specialties they indicate PnP. I have been to many internet sites looking for the true meaning of PnP and they all seem to indicate that PnP involves drug use and most generally meth. This is so prevalent I would estimate that 1 in 3 that claim to be non drug users indicate PnP. Am I missing something?

[AdamSmith]

In many many cases the escort indicates "non drug user" but under the section tastes/fetishes/specialties they indicate PnP.

 

One possibility, which I find often to be the case, is that guys are careful and accurate in filling out the individual stats/data -- top/bottom, non-drug-user, height/weight, rate, etc. -- but then they just indiscriminately check everything in the "tastes/fetishes/specialties" section. For example, many check "water sports" in that section, when they have no intention of engaging in any such thing. And so on.

[NYTomcat]

It can also be that while they do not themselves engage regularly. That they are not so strict on clients partaking while they are together.

[JoeyBryant]

It can also be that while they do not themselves engage regularly. That they are not so strict on clients partaking while they are together.

 

That sounds about right....

 

But like I said before, my stomach rumbles whenever I hear PnP. Its like Im more focused on making sure nobody does anything crazy than the actual act itself.

 

I have noticed that the number of Pnp requests are down significantly, but Im unsure whether it has to do with me being away from a gay mecca or what.

 

Poppers may be construed as PnP....but personally I just dont consider them in the same genre as some of the heavier stuff. It just doesn't have the same effect (but the long term affect can be just as damaging).

[whipped guy]

Three good responses and theories so far...

 

However, a friend did find himself in an uncomfortable situation a couple of years ago. He hired an escort for a BDSM session, was tied up... and the scort started doing meth as he was about to begin the bulk of the session. Now this friend likes the feeling of "danger", but this was a bit over the top to say the least. As I recall he made some excuse about not wanting to be tied up, and after that was accomplished made an excuse about having to leave sooner rather than later. I don't remember if he paid the guy, but he probably did... and then got out of Dodge as quickly as possible still glad to be in one piece... I don't recall the escorts name, but he did advertise under a variety of monikers as I recall. Also, I emphatically know that my friend would never have hired anyone that overtly mentioned anything about drugs... and I know that he hired him based on his Rentboy ad... so much for truth in advertising.

[+ Tom Isern]

i had never encountered any kind of drug use before moving to new york city. it is nearly impossible, however, to live in a major city like new york and not encounter those who use various recreational drugs--most gay men i know do at one point or another--even if it's only to go out dancing twice a year on ecstasy.

 

i have friends who use crystal meth occasionally. i have friends whose lives have been destroyed by crystal meth. one friend went from the top of his profession (ph.d. and multiple degrees) to being homeless on the streets and mentally imbalanced in less than a year. another friend drifts from one treatment program to another, meeting wealthy daddies in the programs, getting out, partying, and then returning to treatment in a never-ending cycle of recovery and relapse. another friend has just recommitted to cma (crystal meth anonymous) just today. crystal meth is a seriously addictive and dangerous drug.

 

it is possible, however, for an individual to have a complicated relationship to drug use that seems confusing because it doesn't conform to the facile ideology of addiction--the idea of the slippery slope, for instance, or the idea that one puff and you're hooked--boom, wham, instant addict. some people do become addicts upon first exposure. others develop a problem over months or years. and some people are able to party occasionally without ever letting it develop into a problem. people are--remarkably--different.

 

i'm one of those escorts who lists "pnp" on my profile. i do so because i'm comfortable (usually) being around a certain amount of usage. i do not, however, really enjoy doing it myself, i can count on one hand the number of times i've done it personally rather than professionally, and in general, i'd just prefer to "say no" unless i'm charging by the hour. so while i list pnp under fetish, i also claim to be a non-drug-user. (i do however drink beer quite regularly. sometimes as often as five or six a week! and doesn't alcohol count as a drug?)

 

on the other hand, i do really love to manhandle a seriously submissive bottom, and those who have been partying are seriously better bottoms than those who haven't been. at least that's my two cents worth and experience.

 

it's a complicated world...

[JackTwist]

Agree with Tom Isern

 

Hey Tom, your thorough post was crystal-clear in explaining the whole PNP-escorts issue. Thanks for sharing it. I never thought a submissive bottom is more sexually effective if they have "partied" prior to being fucked. Interesting. Thanks, jacktwist

[Juan Vancouver]

Calling a spade a spade.

 

While it is possible to research and ask as many people as you want, when it comes to using an acronym for a sexual activity that may be tainted with secrecy in the gay world, (How many underworlds would that be?) it is very possible that you will find as many answers as people you ask.

 

When I have asked, PNP has been used to mean things as different as: Pot and poppers, sex on pot, sex on drugs, sex with poppers, sex on crystal, sex on cocaine, sex on G, I once got the very original Piss and play. The funny thing, of course is that each one of the people I asked were convinced that their personal interpretation was universally accepted as the right one.

 

What I have learnt in life, but specifically in this business, where people are often ashamed of naming things by their name is... ASK.

 

This rule is so true for me, that even when people tell me something apparently straight forward like: "I want to fuck" I often ask what exactly they mean. The responses I get are incredibly varied and often surprising.

 

I sometimes am comfortable with PNP. While I am not a drug user myself, I am entirely comfortable having sessions with clients who have smoked some pot, do poppers or sometimes even ecstasy. However, whenever there is any crystal meth, G or harsher drugs, which may include heavy alcohol intoxication, the situation becomes just uncomfortable and very difficult to manage, therefore I simply say no to that kind of sessions, knowing that there are plenty of escorts who will be thrilled to be invited to such a session.

 

It is not clear why you are trying to determine what PNP is. You don't say that in your post. However if what you are afraid of is dealing with an escort on drugs when you haven't requested that, my advise would be that if you ever see any funny behaviour when your escort arrives, simply and gently state that you are unable to go ahead with the session, give him money for his cab and send him his way. There is absolutely no reason for which you have to endure anything you don't want to. If you do it politely, no matter how high he may be, chances are he will take it easy and will go away.

 

(And only hire well reviewed escorts.)

 

If what you want is to learn what PNP is, then I would recommend you to give that up. It means as many things as people using the acronym. This type of acronyms and abbreviations were created when secrecy was necessary and only the men of the persuasion, the ones in the know would know that that meant. Also when posting a classified ad, which in some areas was the only way a guy had to meet another guy for a long time, it is important to keep it short and to the point. Now we can allow ourselves to be lengthy. (You can take my post as an example of this.)

 

If you want to engage in something, the good fool proof method of calling a spade a spade works much better and gives you higher chances of being fulfilled.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Always hard and warm.

 

Juan

 

+30 694 268 9904

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/review.php?who=juan_vancouver*

[+ Lucky]

Great responses by both Tom Isern and Juan Vancouver. It's not a black and white situation, is it?

[+ Tom Isern]

in my experience, at least here in nyc, pnp almost always refers to one of a handful of drugs. it most frequently means crystal meth, or as it's called in the subculture, "tina" or just "t." some people prefer coke, also called "snow," and some ecstasy, or "x"--especially the dancers. "x" is most frequently found at circuit parties. the new drug of choice that frequently passes under the rubric of pnp these days is called "g," which supposedly has the nasty side effect of killing flat a small minority of users whose systems just give out on contact. these are all serious drugs. i've known quite a few people who like to do pot while having sex, sometimes couples with "t," but i've never seen or heard that referred to as pnp. 420--yes. pnp, no.

[JoeyBryant]

What gets me are the clients who call my ad up asking if I know of anyone or anywhere to get stuff. As if I'm their personal drug concierge. Besides, why risk getting a posession charge? Could be a set up.

[+ Charlie]

I agree that Tom and Juan have given answers that are as intelligent and informative as one could possibly ask for.

 

When I was a lot younger, I went through a period of several years during which I used the drugs that were currently fashionable (from poppers to LSD), and so I had no problem with a paid or non-paid sex partner doing the same. When I stopped doing drugs (not on principle, but because they got too hard to score, and had longer lasting after-effects as I got older), I discovered that I did not enjoy sex with someone who was on something when I was cold sober. Nowadays, if I have any reason to suspect that an escort is high on anything, I simply terminate the appointment.

[Guest countryboywny]

Please don't laugh at me.. but what's "420" ?

[whipped guy]

Drug math

 

... what's "420" ?

 

Four -Twenty = marijuana

[josephga]

Please don't laugh at me.. but what's "420" ?

 

don't feel bad i didn't know either. iv never even seen marijuana in person

[scottspearsxxx]

I do not personally smoke or do drugs or even drink heavily. I will on occasion smoke cigars or cigarettes with clients as I do that a lot in my filmwork. Also, I go to clubs with clients and if you do not drink, people look at you wierd, so I know when to stop, but I do not judge what my clients do as they do not judge what I do or do not do. It is their own comfort zone level that I am concerned with and I am accepting of others for what they want to do.

[instudiocity]

Please don't laugh at me.. but what's "420" ?

 

And it's also an excellent brew from the Stone Mountain Brewing Company in Atlanta.

 

I personally prefer drinking my 420!

 

And on other thought, your pothead buddies will enjoy you wishing them a happy 420 every April 20th. I'm just sayin'!