Thoughts on Escorts in Bareback Porn

[mickeym]

There are some escorts I've seen ads for that say they also do porn and are safe only. But when you look at their movies, you find out they've done some Bareback. I've seen this a couple times when there are escorts traveling to or near a location I will be and I think I might want to meet them. But when I do a little research, I find out that they've done bareback porn. Tristan Baldwin is one that comes to mind. Does this make anybody reconsider their interest? I know the actors are supposed to be tested and everything, but it just makes me nervous.

[+ bigjoey]

Every sexual partner you have should be assumed to be positive and you should act accordingly. You can still have lots of SAFE fun reguardless of the reality of your partner's status.

[jimboivyo]

I don't think it's just about making sure 'everyone is positive' and always playing safe, but the mindset behind why a guy would even do bareback porn to begin with. That's damaged goods at play- to me, at least.

[Diverdan]

Let's hear from the Escorts too

 

I would love to hear from some of the escorts who regularly post on this site. They are the ones most at risk given the variety of encounters they have on a regular basis.

 

I play safe now, but did not when I was much younger and before we had an epidemic. I broke up with a lover who decided to play the field and did not play safe. I still get tested on a regular basis, even though I think my chances of catching anything is pretty slim. I tend to not hire anyone who has been in movies and who I know has not played safe, although I have made a couple of exceptions. I guess none of us is perfect.

[Guest Merlin]

"Safe" sex is not completely safe, it is merely safer. Accidents happen. Therefore, one way to increase the safety of sex is to avoid guys whom you know or have reason to suspect are infected: guys who do bareback videos or who advertise that they are "sometimes safe" or who have no limits. Yes, of course, you should assume averyone is positive, but if you want even more safety, be more careful whom you meet. It depends on your confort level.

[lrbigdicktaker]

The word safe sex is a joke in itself. Everyone thinks that wearing a condom is "safe". It only half way safe. There are other diseases you can get from just kissing, such as herpes and who knows what else.

 

Just yesterday on maleescortreview, I saw a young lad that required an oral dam. I had no idea what an "oral dam" was, but was surprised when I found out. There is no way I would hire an escort that required me to like a peice of latex or suck him off with a condom on. I don't need to hire an escort to do those things. To me, THAT is safe sex.

 

There is always some risk in what you do, so be careful.

[KMEM]

"Safe" sex is not completely safe, it is merely safer. Accidents happen. Therefore, one way to increase the safety of sex is to avoid guys whom you know or have reason to suspect are infected: guys who do bareback videos or who advertise that they are "sometimes safe" or who have no limits. Yes, of course, you should assume averyone is positive, but if you want even more safety, be more careful whom you meet. It depends on your confort level.

 

What you do might depend upon your comfort level but what happens is partly statistics and partly IF your number comes up. Even one in a million happens one in a million times and with 8 billion people out there, that number comes up not often but it COULD happen.

 

As you say, there is no safe sex, only safer sex.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[ShaunRoss]

It always interests me that when a lot of men talk about having safe or safer sex, they all refer to just the possibility of contracting HIV.

 

There are A LOT of things that one can pass to another while having sex...even SAFE or SAFER sex.

 

For example, if someone has herpes. They don't necessarily have to be having an out break to pass it on to you. It can be passed from skin on skin contact without visible markings or lesions.

 

Someone could have Chlamydia or Gonorrhea in their throat and you could contact it while they were giving you oral or visa versa. It has been my experience that the majority of men do not use a condom for oral sex. I do not and so there is a risk to it every time.

 

I really could give a lot more examples but the point has been made.

 

OUR sexual health is of the utmost importance.

 

Play safely and no matter what...get tested on a regular basis for a full std and hiv screening. I do and it is something that I could not even imagine not doing.

 

Know what your current status is and remember that your status can change at any time...hence the importance of regular testing.

 

 

You can learn more about std's at the following sites:

 

http://www.cdc.gov/std/

 

http://lgbthealth.healthcommunities.com/stdmsm/behavior.shtml

 

 

 

Have fun playing everyone and be respectful of others and of yourself!

 

 

HUGS

 

~Shaun

[Bart]

Some of the points being made here are silly

 

The following is mainly in regards to the notion that escorts who do movies are somehow have a higher probability of transmitting disease than a regular escort.

 

First this is a website for the discussion of escorts. Therefore the risk of transmittal of disease increases because of having sex with multiple partners. This is not a knock against escorts but even if you are only with one escort his job is to have sex with multiple partners.

 

The only way to not have safety issues and have sex is monogomy between both sex partners who have been cleared.

 

I find it silly to eliminate escorts who do movies. Well lets see most perform one maybe two scenes in a movie that if done with a reputable studio testing is part of the job. Now lets see a popular escort who probably has sexual contact with 100's of different people (yes men and women) where might the bigger risk be oh the popular escort.

 

Are there any escort laws that require them to be tested? No.

 

Given the growing popularity of videos on sites like rentmen, how do you know the escort you are hiring has not done private videos. Escorts do hire other escorts. Escorts sometimes get together on their own. What is the difference between that and doing a movie.

 

Of course a true professional gets himself tested on a regular basis.

 

5 years ago a young man I saw called me a week later to tell me that he had been tested and had been found to have a STD. Look I did receive not 1 but 2 std's from one escort 4 years ago next week. I was blown away and angry but it happens. I was more upset that he did not call me and let me known. He was a top flight escort who has since retired. No movies that I knew of.

 

So to think your risk of disease is even slightly less because the escorts you hire do not have any published movies are less is silly. You want to be safe then you should not be here. Sit in front of your computer and jack off to porn. But if you want to be part of the living world the risks are there just deal with it correctly and be safe in your actions.

[Guest Merlin]

Actually, we were discussing escorts who have done bareback porn. No doubt that it is higher risk for them and their clients.

[KMEM]

The second biggest problem about HIV and STD's is testing is all historical. Having one or more of these diseases is the biggest problem.

 

From the information I can gather, the absolute minimum time for HIV to show up is 9-11 days and that is by using an expensive test somewhat rarely used. The most common test takes an average of 25 days to show up but may take 6 months.

 

Who is going to wait between 9 days and 6 months between sexual encounters AND have a test after each and every encounter? Answer: No one.

 

Therefore, we are back to square one and that is do every thing you can to protect your self and your partner. It also suggests that even committed partners should probably wait 6 months before doing so called unprotected sex.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[RockHard]

Perception is everything.

 

I find it silly to eliminate escorts who do movies. ...most perform one maybe two scenes in a movie...if done with a reputable studio, testing is part of the job. ...a popular escort who probably has sexual contact with 100's of different people (yes men and women)...might (be) the bigger risk.

 

Reputable "porn" studio? There is no such thing. A porn studio cannot control the private activity of its performers. Studios that require mandatory HIV testing have no control over an actor's "window period."

 

From hivtest.org:

 

Most HIV tests are antibody tests that measure the antibodies your body makes against HIV. It can take some time for the immune system to produce enough antibodies for the antibody test to detect and this time period can vary from person to person. This time period is commonly referred to as the “window period”. Most people will develop detectable antibodies within 2 to 8 weeks (the average is 25 days). Even so, there is a chance that some individuals will take longer to develop detectable antibodies. Therefore, if the initial negative HIV test was conducted within the first 3 months after possible exposure, repeat testing should be considered >3 months after the exposure occurred to account for the possibility of a false-negative result. Ninety seven percent will develop antibodies in the first 3 months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to 6 months to develop antibodies to HIV.

 

Another type of test is an RNA test, which detects the HIV virus directly. The time between HIV infection and RNA detection is 9-11 days. These tests, which are more costly and used less often than antibody tests, are used in some parts of the United States.

 

For information on HIV testing, you can talk to your health care provider or you can find the location of the HIV testing site nearest to you by calling CDC-INFO 24 Hours/Day at1-800-CDC-INFO (232-4636), 1-888-232-6348 (TTY), in English, en Español. Both of these resources are confidential.

 

Then there's that thing called perception. In business, there's nothing "silly" about perception. If a porn actor who also escorts is performing bareback on film, smarter viewers will automatically assume that the actor does bareback in his private life, just like we assume every escort is HIV+. Any customer seeking "safer" sex, like myself, will not be inclined to hire an escort who appears in any film performing bareback sex.

[+ deej]

I find it silly to eliminate escorts who do movies. Well lets see most perform one maybe two scenes in a movie that if done with a reputable studio testing is part of the job.

 

I just want to correct a misconception that is repeated woefully often. Most gay porn studios DO NOT REQUIRE TESTING.

 

The "mainstream" gay porn producers have always used the argument that they do not need testing because they use condoms. They are painfully aware that if they blacklisted poz performers, their rosters would be decimated.

 

Some of the specialized bareback producers (particularly those specializing in twinks) do indeed require testing, but they don't tell you whether they take action based on the results.

 

The ONLY porn producers who require testing and blacklist performers who test positive are the straight porn producers where performers do not use condoms.

 

If you are relying on porn producers to require testing you're living in a dream world.

[NYTomcat]

Ok so for one moment I time frozen in video you can see the escort having unprotected sex. Im sorry but there is no way I will assume that escort is any greater risk than another. Perhaps it is my jaded view of people. But. I presume there is not a person on this board who has not at one time or another either made the choice. Or by mistake been exposed to UN protected sex. Any active hirer knows condoms break. And often when in use. It is pure folly to believe that any sexually active person. Has not had that same one time risk. The fact it was done on camera after testing. To me does not increase or decrease those risks

 

Then again I truly believe you must assume every partner your with is poz and take the best precautions and associated risks. I guess thats why I find it hard to hear recently that a friend broke up with the man he loved and was dating when he found he was poz. Not because he was cheating. Not because he couldn't face the illness in the man he loved. But out of fear for himself. I guess since assume everyone im with is that same risk I just dont see breaking off an otherwise great relationship. We all know our own risk tolerances. So its a personal decision and not one That everyone will agree on. But to me one bareback photo is not going to bevthe straw that broke the camels back. But as I just said to me if I want the experience with the partner enough neither is a positive test result my precautions and risk tolerances are what they are.

[Guest bystander]

HIV, STD et al

 

Hi guys, newbie here (but been visiting the site when it was still known as hooboy).

 

You guys have good points, and taking risk is a matter of choice. Since this forum is for hiring escort, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a thread on top (a sticky thread) that discusses about HIV and STDs, how they get contracted, what the treatments are or cure if any, and other resources? I know that's what CDC is for, but a short thread would probably enlighten some people who are new and plan or contemplate to hire an escort. Links will work too.

 

Just a thought

[JT Brooklyn]

I just want to correct a misconception that is repeated woefully often. Most gay porn studios DO NOT REQUIRE TESTING.

 

The "mainstream" gay porn producers have always used the argument that they do not need testing because they use condoms. They are painfully aware that if they blacklisted poz performers, their rosters would be decimated.

 

Some of the specialized bareback producers (particularly those specializing in twinks) do indeed require testing, but they don't tell you whether they take action based on the results.

 

The ONLY porn producers who require testing and blacklist performers who test positive are the straight porn producers where performers do not use condoms.

 

If you are relying on porn producers to require testing you're living in a dream world.

Deej hit this nail right on its head! Everyone has to wear "Party Hats" other wise some of the STARS would no longer be invited to the Party!

[orbital sander]

Hi guys, newbie here (but been visiting the site when it was still known as hooboy).

 

You guys have good points, and taking risk is a matter of choice. Since this forum is for hiring escort, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a thread on top (a sticky thread) that discusses about HIV and STDs, how they get contracted, what the treatments are or cure if any, and other resources? I know that's what CDC is for, but a short thread would probably enlighten some people who are new and plan or contemplate to hire an escort. Links will work too.

 

Just a thought

 

In theory this is not a bad idea, however....

 

Who would moderate such a forum? It would be best to have someone medically qualified, who specializes in STI'S (STD'S). Then again who wants to take on that liability. If incorrect information leads to an infection....how do you think the owner of this forum or his moderators would feel about being hauled into court by some unfortunate soul who found an eager attorney.

 

Even in this very thread there is inaccurate information about testing.

 

Just follow the official links to the CDC for information.

 

I have spoken with Dr's who know less than hotline volunteers at our local Aids Hotline here in town. There is so much false and misleading information out there about STI's you have to focus on official web sites and people who REALLY know what they are talking about...and unfortunately that may not even be your own Dr.

 

There are always good links posted by various users (even in this thread) that can help one sort it out. The last thing we need is information or discussions that, while are intended to help, actually do harm.

[Guest bystander]

Really? Oh, never thought about those. Maybe not a thread but more of informational. Something like:

 

Before you hire, know the risk:

 

Basic information on STD and HIV

Oral sex

Etc

 

website Links etc

 

then put the link to CDC or other reputable sites below it.

Then put a disclaimer. Not a lot of discussion but at least send them to a reputable website. It avoids being liable, and at the same time, there are not a lot of wrong information.

 

Oh well, just a thought. But thanks for your reply.

 

 

In theory this is not a bad idea, however....

 

Who would moderate such a forum? It would be best to have someone medically qualified, who specializes in STI'S (STD'S). Then again who wants to take on that liability. If incorrect information leads to an infection....how do you think the owner of this forum or his moderators would feel about being hauled into court by some unfortunate soul who found an eager attorney.

 

Even in this very thread there is inaccurate information about testing.

 

Just follow the official links to the CDC for information.

 

I have spoken with Dr's who know less than hotline volunteers at our local Aids Hotline here in town. There is so much false and misleading information out there about STI's you have to focus on official web sites and people who REALLY know what they are talking about...and unfortunately that may not even be your own Dr.

 

There are always good links posted by various users (even in this thread) that can help one sort it out. The last thing we need is information or discussions that, while are intended to help, actually do harm.

[Nvr2Thick]

There are some escorts I've seen ads for that say they also do porn and are safe only. But when you look at their movies, you find out they've done some Bareback. I've seen this a couple times when there are escorts traveling to or near a location I will be and I think I might want to meet them. But when I do a little research, I find out that they've done bareback porn. Tristan Baldwin is one that comes to mind. Does this make anybody reconsider their interest? I know the actors are supposed to be tested and everything, but it just makes me nervous.

An escort who does BB porn has a documented history of unsafe behavior. Does that make him any more of a risk than an escort whose personal sexual behavior is entirely unknown?

[orbital sander]

An escort who does BB porn has a documented history of unsafe behavior. Does that make him any more of a risk than an escort whose personal sexual behavior is entirely unknown?

 

This is an absolutely excellent point!

 

People seem to assume that an escort who states that they are "clean", "safe", or recently tested are going to be free of STI'S (STD'S). While an escort may have the absolute best intentions, unless he has seen NO clients since he was tested...there is NO way of knowing (even for himself) if he is indeed "clean". Also keep in mind that most tests for HIV still need to be done 6 weeks after the last sexual contact. Condoms break, fall off, people forget, do a bit of drugs, get caught up in the moment...all kinds of stuff happens. People still believe in "safe" sex which is unbelievable to me. there are only "safer activities" which should be classified as higher risk to lower risk and in my humble opinion the word safe or safer should be banned from usage when anyone discusses STI'S (STD'S).

 

Now for my apology for preaching:

I am sorry to rant, but I cannot stand seeing another person/friend/acquaintance die, and yes people are still dying from Aids every day. The treatments have come a long way...but people are making fatal assumptions. So I am sorry for being a zealot, but I get very emotional about this....maybe I should just stick to the opera forum...

[+ tristanbaldwin]

Since my name was mentioned in an earlier posting; I felt the need to weigh in and provide input. Agreeing with Deej, most gay porn studios don't require testing, because their biggest name performers are unfortunately positive. They don't wanna lose their big names, so they say 'Condoms Only' is their way of protecting other talent, and keeping the privacy of their performers. That stance is a joke.

 

Now, some studios like NextDoorMale, Jake Cruise, Cocksure Men, and JetSetMen, Can-Am(who I do alot of work for), all require testing- and I'd suspect that the reason THEY have the testing versus alot of the other studios- is because they gear their work towards Straight Actors doing Gay for Pay work, Bisexual actors, etc. This gives these homophobic straight guys the 'piece of mind' that they need to get into their scenes, and really swing and ding, HARDCORE. Again, just my two cents from what I've observed, being in the industry.

 

I've publically released parts of my AIM tests to the community via QueerMeNow.net, after another model mouthed off that I was positive. Although I editted the document to conceal my real name and address- you can see the email address at the top, where it was sent to- ME. I feel that other models, who take escorting seriously, should find a way to post their results consistently as well, to show they're clean.